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I have no idea how to feel this crushes my soul

If you take a young man and woman and they both tell a stranger that they work in the same restaurant, it’s very likely that they will assume that the woman is the waitress, and the young man a cook.

But I thought a woman’s place was in the kitchen? Not when she’s being paid for it. I can’t believe it took me this long to realize the implication of this. A woman’s place is one of servitude.

Always.

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Derek Hale Appreciation Week 2021 Day 4:

Thursday Nov 25 - Character Study // Favorite Scenes

For the other days I’ve done fanfics, but this is going to be more of an essay with quotes and scenes mentioned. It’s going to be a look into the parallels between Derek’s relationship with Kate and Derek’s relationship with Scott and how each one affects Derek overall. This is not going to be proScott just to warn you. Scott is the Kate in the situation. I have evidence to back my opinion on Scott, I’m not trying to cause issues. Anyway on with the controversial character study.

We’ll start with the parallels to do with hunting. We know that Kate is clearly a hunter and a radical one at that. She doesn’t care about following the code at all. She’s willing to kill anyone supernatural or in relation to anyone supernatural, which we can clearly see based on the Hale fire. She’ll use any means to get who she wants, even exploit minors to get information, specifically Derek and Allison as well. Scott tends to side with the hunters, despite being supernatural himself. Part of it is admittedly because of his relationship with Allison, but he also just hates what he is. He always leans towards the hunter side of things, until the end of the series.

Kate is quick to claim that she had nothing to do with the fire, though she clearly did. She also doesn’t feel the need to take responsibility for her actions. She likes to play little miss innocent when it benefits her. Scott is quick to blame anyone else for his actions or things that happened to him. Like when he betrays Derek for Gerard, or even blaming Derek and Stiles for him getting bit in the first place.

Kate thinks she was right to light the Hale house on fire, killing even human children in doing so. Scott also says to Derek that she clearly had reason to do it since they were werewolves, despite not everyone in the house being a werewolf.

Kate always feels like she’s doing the right thing even when there is ample evidence to the contrary, Scott does this as well. Kate feels like she’s in the right to exploit a minor to get the information she needs to kill his entire family. Scott feels like he has the right to side against Derek all the time, even when they really should be on the same side.

Kate gathers evidence to kill his family and Scott gathers evidence to feed to Gerard. Kate sexually abuses and exploits Derek to gather the information she needs to kill his whole family or at least as many as she can. Scott pretends to be in Derek’s Pack to give information to Gerard.

Kate rapes him, Scott bite rapes him. Kate, even if Derek consented, was raping him throughout their entire ‘relationship’. He was a child and she was a fully grown woman. That’s not even taking into account that she was lying about who she was and was definitely using sex as a weapon against him to get what she wanted from him. Scott forces Derek to bite the father of the woman who burned his family alive, the man who was gunning to kill everyone. He physically forces Derek to bite Gerard. Holds him by the neck while he’s paralyzed and forces him to bite the person who was trying to kill them all.

Kate feels like the end justifies the means, Scott does often as well. Kate feels like killing as many of the Hales is a valid reason to rape and abuse a 15 or 16 year old boy. Scott always feels like taking advantage of Derek or hurting Derek is for the greater good, even when there are better ways to handle things, such as going behind Derek’s back when it came to Gerard and making Derek give him the bite.

Kate gets off on Derek's pain and suffering, Scott feels powerful when he hurts Derek. It’s pretty clear in canon how much Kate gets off on the fact that she killed Derek's whole family. Not to mention she also gets off on taking advantage of him. Also she loved stringing him up half naked to torture and cause him any kind of pain she can. Scott clearly feels a power rush when he forces Derek to bite Gerard and shoves it in his face that he betrayed him. Also he seems to slightly get off on getting Derek arrested and blaming him for Peter’s murders as well.

Kate has a Black and white view of the world, so does Scott (only admittedly a slightly different one). Kate feels like it’s her right to kill anyone who is a supernatural creature and only humans actually have rights. Scott feels like his way is always the right way, no matter how anyone feels, also he feels that somehow being humane is letting people get away with things as long as he doesn’t personally have to kill.

Kate always has an ulterior motive when interacting with Derek, Scott often seems to as well. Kate always has an ulterior motive when dealing with pretty much everyone, but it’s clear that she always has an ulterior motive when having anything to do with Derek. Scott seems to also only have anything to do with Derek with an ulterior motive. Only having something to do with him when he can get something out of it.

Kate betrays his trust in a horrible way and Scott does it as well by siding with the bad guys more often than not. Kate betrays Derek and it ends up with most of his family burning to death. Scott will more often than not side with the bad guys, betraying Derek’s trust along with many others.

Kate always acts like the hero in her story and Scott does the same thing. Kate feels like she is the hero in her story, that she did the right thing and had every right to do what she did to Derek and his family. Scott also feels like he is the hero and has every right to do whatever he wants, no matter who he hurts doing so, more often Derek and Stiles.

Kate only wanted him for what she could get from him and Scott only really cares about Derek when he needs him. Kate used Derek to get what she wanted and threw him away after. Scott will pretty much only pay attention to Derek when he can get something out of it.

Now that I have shown the parallels between Kate and Scott I will get into the canon evidence to do with the Scott side of things, since most of Kate’s canon evidence is in two scenes and we all know what she does. So we’ll focus on Scott for this part. To support the first point I will point out the scene in Magic Bullet where he tells Derek to leave him and Stiles alone or he will go to the Argents. The second point is hard to pin down an exact scene that shows it, but if you think about it you can see it throughout the series. The third point is proven in Magic Bullet when Derek takes Scott to see Peter to tell him about the fire and he looks Derek in the face and says that they had reason to burn his family alive, purely due to some of them being werewolves. There are also many points in canon that proves my fourth point, but I will only choose a few, one being him siding with Gerard, giving information to him while pretending to be on Derek’s side. The second is forcing Derek to bite Gerard and not telling him about the plan ahead of time. The third and last one I will list for this point is him leaving with Deucalion, leaving Derek under the Darach’s influence. The fifth point is pretty clear to see in the season as a whole, so I don’t know how to pick a specific scene to prove it.

The sixth point is shown in the scene where Scott grabs a paralyzed Derek by the neck, opening his mouth and forcing Derek to bite Gerard and then making him watch a body rejecting the bite once again. Which was more than likely double traumatising, since he feels the bite is a gift and also the last time we know he has to fully watch a body rejecting the bite was when he had to kill his first girlfriend. The seventh point is also pretty clear in the scene with Gerard. The eighth point is proven both when he rubs his plan with Gerard in Derek’s face after forcing him to bite Gerard and when he is quick and unapologetic about blaming Derek for the murders Peter commited, multiple times. It’s hard to pick out a specific scene to prove my ninth point, but you can see it throughout the whole series and it is also something Deaton breathes life into. The tenth point is hard to pin down a scene for in specific but Scott never really seems to trust Derek so he will frequently only associate with him when he needs something.

My eleventh point is proven by Scott working with Gerard, leaving them to work with Deucalion and working with Theo. My twelfth point is proven by the fact he likes to act like he is amazing every time he ignores a call for help only to still come in the eleventh hour to save the day. And finally my thirteenth point is proven by how he only really has anything to do with Derek when he needs help.

I think Kate might have desensitized him to getting taken advantage of and Scott thrives in that fact. Derek only truly trusts Stiles in a serious way, but he still continues to give Scott chances to be different. Though he doesn’t possibly do so until the very end. We didn’t get enough information to know for sure though. Derek is constantly used and abused, it’s easy to see that it affects him. He is healing though by the end of the series, after going away for over a year.

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So I accidentally started playing 25 different pop punk songs in 25 different tabs. Beautiful mistake.

If you want to get into the race issues with Teen wolf it definitely doesn’t begin or end with Scott McCall. Danny just disappeared out of nowhere, who was not only a person of color but also openly gay. Boyd was murdered on the show and he was the only person of color other than Danny and Deaton as a slight main character in the show. And if Scott was Latino and not just Tyler Posey being of Latino descent from his mother’s side, my bad for not knowing. Arden Cho deserved so much better than how they treated her in the series and just as a cast member, they never even told her she wasn’t coming back she found out on social media. They did Hayden dirty by also just having her and her sister kinda disappear. Mason was handled better than the others at least. And Monroe was probably the best handled person of color and she was the villain. But they gave her a depth they just weren’t known for so it was kind of refreshing to have her. Oh also Morrel but she kind of never fully made sense to me, like I was never sure how I was supposed to feel about her or Deaton throughout the show. I think they were just neutral characters instead of truly being truly good or bad. And that’s not getting into the smaller roles.

And since you’re already kind of backwards calling me racist I’ll just say man without looking up Tyler Posey specifically to find out his race I wouldn’t have know he was not white. 🤷

Also never said it was not creepy that Stiles knew Lydia’s size or what have you, but Scott just met this girl and he’s watching her change. And everything with this was immediate and it made me uncomfortable. At least Liam and Hayden had history and knew each other for a long time. But Scott had just met this girl and was hooked on her in an uncomfortable way to me. Like there wasn’t even a build up really. Just pedal to the floor straight to Romeo and Juliet territory.

Personally I think if Derek had communicated things he wouldn’t have been so traumatized still, if he had opened up about it or just gone to therapy it could have made a world of difference. But do you really think it was fair of Scott keeping something of that magnitude from her just in general? I couldn’t imagine not telling her when especially when others are aware, wouldn’t it be better coming from you?

The post was not about Stiles it was about Scott. Was he obsessed with Lydia in an uncomfortable way? Absolutely. Was it that way throughout the whole show? No, Lydia and Stiles were able to form an amazing worthwhile friendship. Where they saved each other when possible and worked well as a team. Throwing the romance back in cheapened it, but still he grew out of the uncomfortable obsession and it became a deep affection and friendship between the two of them. And I’ll repeat I was unaware in any way that Scott or Tyler Posey was Latino. But I guess that’s my bad.

All of this is in response to this post.

I'm going to tag @always-mimits out of courtesy, because I don't have "discussions" in comment sections.

We'll start with their response regarding what I said about Steve Rogers, debunking him trying to kill Tony in Civil War.

While I'm happy that you recognize that some of your bias comes from fanfiction and not the actual text, it's your line at the end that bugged me. You can dislike Steve because of his Engame ending all you want. Everyone who followed me during that time knows how much I loathed that ending and how vocal I was about saying it. But that's not what you said in your original post.

You said specifically that you hated Steve Rogers because he's "so moral" [never stated by him or anyone in the movies] and that he tried to kill Tony.

It's an easily disproven statement by simply watching the movie, so you don't get to change your goal posts by saying you really meant something else.

Moving on...

Once again, what makes Scott's relationship and attitude toward Allison - his girlfriend! - different than any other example provided in this show? Why is it that Scott's a creep for looking over at Allison when she changed out of a wet shirt into a dry one but Stiles isn't a creep for knowing Lydia's measurements or when he walked in on Malia showering? Why is one character hated for what no one cares about in another character?

Why is Scott hanging around to protect her considered weird but not the same for Liam and Hayden?

Why is Scott obligated to tell Allison that her mother tried to kill him when Derek doesn't have to tell anyone what went down with him and Kate back in the day?

I know these aren't from your responses, but I see them enough that I have to add them. Why are the double-standards so stacked against Scott?

And as for Scott not telling Allison about what happened st the rave, that's hardly the first time someone in her family tried to kill him and failed. From the time Victoria killed herself to when Scott finally got to sit down and talk with Allison was episodes later. They saw each other in Party Guessed, when Victoria was still alive, and didn't see each other again until Master Plan (aside from the Argents attack on the Sheriff station in Fury where she demanded Scott hand over Derek) when the big showdown happened with Gerard and the Kanima. After that, they had a goodbye scene and then she left the country!

Moving on...

But once again, you weren't calling out Stiles being obsessive (though it is nice to see someone else say it), you were specifically talking about how Scott was "obsessed" with Allison and how that makes him "not a great character".

Why is it that Scott has to jump through ever changing hoops to be considered a good character but other characters get a pass for doing the exact same thing? What is the difference? Because the only one I can see is the fact that Scott is played by a Latino actor.

Which leads me to this...

If I had a dollar for every time someone used the "I thought Scott was white" excuse when they're called out on their double-standards, I could retire tomorrow.

I'm not saying you are doing this deliberately, but it's something I've seen across multiple fandoms with similar characters.

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