Also the Kaleesh faced a similar if not worse fate than Galidraan
talking about war crimes what happened at battle of galidraan? i know dooku talked about it
Oh yeah, i forgot about that one.
For those who don’t know the story, here’s what happened in Galidraan (an Outer Rim planet): The Governor of Galidraan was harboring some members of the Death Watch. During that time, colonists rebelled against him so he hired True Mandalorians (Jango Fett & friends) to deal with the rebellion. The death watch advised to Governor to tell the Jedi Council the planet was being attack by True Mandalorians. The Council, without checking for evidence or analyzing the situation, sent Jedi Masters to Galidraan to deal with the mandalorians. The clash between Jedi and True Mandalorians became the infamous Battle of Galidraan which resulted the death of all true mandalorians (with the exception of Jango) and many Jedi Masters. Jango was captured and allowed to be sold into slavery by the Jedi.
Dooku was one of the surviving Masters and considers this one of the worst things the Jedi Council ever did.
“It was a massacre; and the Jedi had carried it out, pawns of the corrupt Galidraan governor, who had set up the Mandalorian army for his own agenda. Looking back on it, Dooku saw it was the tipping point that had changed his life. It was the moment he had started to think. I believed my Masters. I didn’t think for myself. They didn’t question, either; they took the governor at his word. They just believed. And we killed people. We killed them on the say-so of a criminal.” — Count Dooku in Karen Traviss’ the Clone Wars.
It’s genocide. The Jedi Council, on the orders of a corrupted politician, slaughtered an entire culture. There was no investigation, no accountability, no justice. This is where Dooku starts to loose faith in the Order and the Senate.
It is not unreasonable for anyone to wonder why I have decided to leave at this time. Yes, I am aware of various allegedly discreet queries from those searching for a reason. The recent, tragic loss of my former pupil, Qui-Gon Jinn? The debacle on Baltizaar? My highly publicized criticisms of an increasingly corrupt Senate? Some of my contemporaries have suggested that seeds of discontent were planted twelve years ago, at the Battle of Galidraan. While I cannot deny that these events have left their mark on me, I will only allow that the time has come that I can no longer be a Jedi. ” — Count Dooku’s final message to the Jedi Council | Ryder’s Windham’s Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
Frigid Galidraan was years behind him, but for Dooku the incident remained an open wound. A local governor had succeeded in luring the Jedi into a conflict with Mandalorian mercenaries that had left eleven Jedi dead and the True Mandalorians—largely innocent of the charges that had been leveled against them—wiped out, save for one. James Luceno. Darth Plagueis
As for crimes, attacking Galidraan without an investigation or real evidence is a crime any way you slice it. Allowing Jango to be sold into slavery is inhumane treatment and it could be considered ‘Unlawful deportation, confinement or transfer’. Jango was never officially arrested or given a trial so definitely ‘‘depriving a prisoner of war of a fair trial’. I’m not sure if mercenaries can be classified as civilians but we can add the killing of innocents to the list.Anyway: Galidraan was such a mess even in-universe it was considered a military debacle.
“Why are the Jedi unable to serve as a military?” the Senator from Ord Mantell asked. Valorum turned to look at him. “The Jedi are not an army, and they number too few, in any case. They intercede at our request, but also at their own discretion. Furthermore, the Order has seen more deaths in the past twelve years than it saw in the previous fifty. Yinchorr is fast shaping up to be another Galidraan.”
Not today (she’s recording)
Actually I feel Luke needs to be in his Kylo Ren flashback to be stronger. As Anakin can replicate what Mando Luke did. Still very impressive but I am not sure that Luke did something no high level Jedi could.
Ok um, one thing I saw rather recently and it's basically blowing my mind and it's the fact there are at least around 30 statements on Anakin being the strongest jedi/warrior/sith either of all time or in his era. None of them say he is potentially the strongest jedi or that he could be they just outright says he is. I am not going to post all of them but the majority
Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council. But as Obi-Wan had told him time and again, the essence of being a Jedi didn't hinge on attaining mastery of the Force, but on attaining mastery over oneself.
(Obi-Wan Kenobi | Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil)
But Coruscant was not only the heart of the government and the location of the Galactic Senate. It was also the home of the Jedi Temple. As the Separatist attack began, a message was beamed to the Outer Rim, summoning the Jedi’s greatest warriors home. Before the Separatist fleet could leave the Coruscant star system with the Chancellor, they found themselves under attack. Waves of clone starfighters, led by Obi-Wan and Anakin, stormed around their ships.
(Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization)
This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace. He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it.
(Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"It will be," he said slowly, meditatively, as though he spoke only to himself, "an embarrassment to be captured by him." The voice that answered him was so familiar that sometimes his very thoughts spoke in it, instead of in his own. "An embarrassment you can survive, Lord Tyranus. After all, he is the greatest Jedi alive, is he not? And have we not ensured that all the galaxy shares this opinion?"
(Dooku and Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger."
(Mace Windu | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"We won't try, Anakin. We will do. After all, they are only Senators. Most of them couldn't hide what they're thinking from a brain-damaged blindworm, let alone the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy."
(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"And even if the prophecy has been misread. Anakin is the one Jedi we can best hope would survive an encounter with a Sith Lord."
(Agen Kolar | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
Even after all these months, she couldn't make herself entirely believe that actual Jedi blood ran in her veins-not only Jedi blood, but the blood of arguably the most powerful Jedi in history.
(Leia Organa | Star Wars: Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor)
"You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master." "What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair! I'm more powerful than any of you. How can you be on the Council and not be a Master?" It was a boy's expression of anger, but it was true. And, as history repeated itself because it had no other choice, Jacen was more powerful than any of them except Luke. And he was growing closer to Luke's strength by the day.
(Jacen Solo | Star Wars: Legacy of the Force - Bloodlines)
"Haden has written a story that goes to the emotional core of everything that happens in Episode III. Obi-Wan must confront every doubt, every misgiving about his time with Anakin. Has he failed his Padawan? Has he missed opportunities? Is he even worthy to have been the mentor to the galaxy's most powerful Jedi?"
(Randy Stradley | Star Wars Insider 79 - Clone Wars Villains Face Their Reckoning)
Gillard also reports that the duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. "Obi-Wan taught Anakin and Anakin has gone past him," he notes. "But when you get to that duel, it's emotional. That's where the mistake will be made. And if you know the characters, you know Obi-Wan isn't going to get emotional and he doesn't make mistakes."
(Dreamwatch #113 - Interview with Nick Gillard)
"Anakin's the most powerful Jedi around."
(Justin Lambros | Disney Adventures: Super Comics Special May 2005)
Many years from now, Luke and Leia Skywalker, offspring of the most powerful Jedi who ever lived, would understand their true destiny.
(Star Wars Revenge of the Sith - The Movie Storybook)
"Anakin's style has changed completely between Episode II and Episode III. He now no longer cares. He knows he's unbeatable. He's far more dangerous than anybody in the universe."
(Nick Gillard | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith - Prima Official Game Guide)
Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in over a thousand years.
(Star Wars: Miniatures - Ultimate Missions - Revenge of the Sith)
This makes Anakin, in effect, a Jedi Master, a rank that Anakin, with his unprecedented power in the Force, feels has been long overdue.
(Star Wars: Miniatures - Ultimate Missions - Revenge of the Sith)
Anakin Skywalker was the most powerful Jedi the galaxy had ever known . . . Anakin was also peerless in combat, invincible against any opponent.
(Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #8)
Thus, Darth Vader becomes a ‘fallen angel’ figure. From being the most powerful Jedi, a fearless hero of the Republic, Anakin falls to the lowest possible point because of his desire for power and security.
(Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #12)
Deep and layered are the schemes of the Dark Lord Sidious, Sith Master and architect of the fall of the Republic. Perceiving in young Anakin Skywalker a strength as yet unseen among even the greatest of the Jedi, the Sith Lord engineers elements into his plans, rich in contingencies, that might either turn the troubled Jedi to his own purpose, or else destroy him altogether.
(Star Wars: Sideshow Collectibles - Asajj Ventress statue)
Darth Sidious adheres to a tradition of secrecy imposed by the Sith a thousand years before, working his evil schemes through intermediaries and dupes while remaining hidden in the shadows. His organization includes politicians and anarchists, crime lords and corrupt law enforcement, schemers and dreamers, the wealthy and the impoverished-and, as the war draws to a close, the most powerful Jedi Knight alive: Anakin Skywalker.
(Star Wars: The Clone Wars Campaign Guide)
The mightiest of the Jedi is Anakin Skywalker, rumored to be the Chosen One destined to bring balance to the Force.
(Star Wars: The Clone Wars Episode Guide)
Skywalker was seduced by the dark side of the Force. His boundless abilities fueled a sense of pride that hastened his fall . . . Palpatine elevated himself to the position of Emperor, and dispatched Vader as his ultimate enforcer. With his unparalleled Force abilities, Vader swept through the Jedi Temple.
(Official Star Wars Website - Databank: Darth Vader)
Here is a kicker there is this statement repeated 3 separate times by 3 Revenge of the sith related material implying this line was suppose to in the movie because you do not just repeat this line 3 times without a higher up wanting you to put it there in all 3 sources people are going to read
"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Go forth, my boy. Go forth, and bring peace to our Empire."
(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you," the cloaked figure said. “Now go, and bring peace to the Empire."
(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization)
"You have done well, my new apprentice. Your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Now go, Lord Vader, and bring peace to the Empire."
(Darth Sidious | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith comic)
As the Clone Wars rage across the galaxy, young Jedi hero Anakin Skywalker falls to the dark side of the Force and becomes the most powerful enemy ever faced by the Jedi.
(Hasbro Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith action figure line)
Like for anyone wanting to argue Yoda or Mace are stronger than Anakin and could beat him in a fight you have to argue somehow all the people involved in this were exaggerating each and every time and that somehow no one else rained in or said they couldn't say that and let them license those statements. I don't know about anyone else but if an author, series creator, or licensed material says something over a dozen times about their character when does that statement stop being a mistake they might have made and start becoming an actual fact in their universe?
HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN + the 'Obi-Ani' lightsaber spin
Hayden came up with a move when we did the second film that was like your move, like signature […] for me it always felt like your move because he was really good at it. — Ewan McGregor
1. Ok first the mechanical arm thing was because it's more helpful to have artificial intelligent arms that help with the project than just being a good multi tasker you can't do everything at once
2. Second because they were made to finish the project that is their whole purpose they don't care about anything else
3. Third because it's much simpler than doing everything at once with your entire focus on the machine abd the arms can help
4. The arms weren't solely responsible if someone wants to kill someone another person tells then to do it and they do who is responsible? Octavius was on the brink when the arms got to him he was a good person but went down a spiral of insanity because he inadvertently killed his wife and lost his life's wok plus the arms kept pushing to finish the project increasing his anger and motivation to new heights. It shows how far a person will go after losing everything and with a litlle push becomes bad before the Dark Knight
5. He was trying to create a fusion power source but the thing was he miscalculated, it destabilized(he did not make it bigger on purpose) and he was confident he could stop it but unfortunately it didn't work
6. It's to power the city do you know how much money you could make by investing in that and you can shut it down because as Otto says "They pay the bills" so people will pay them to continue with the pronect plus it will make Oscorp seen in a better light due to them investing when Norman was around in weapons.
7. He says it's a gift multiple times
8. She was in love with astronaut she says so herself! She tells Peter she is done being a empty seat as he is constantly not around for her compared to even Harry and before she tells him that she is seeing someone tell her if you want to date he says the opposite and she is like "I am marrying this guy fuck you for making me wait so long". So yeah Mary Jane is marrying another person because she's fed up with Peter and fell in love with someone else. Also leaving him at the altar was suppose to be something else but... Also that pussy can kill the strongest normal human on earth. Oh like Batman is any better with him endangering his robins every 5 minutes since they were 10 to 14
9. He did get a hint but he is trying to work things out with her and trying to compensate. Any low life crimminal with a half a brain that notices that he is protecting a famous actress(Literally theres is like posters withth her face on it) more than usual also how about Harry fucking Osborn? You know the guy hell bent in killing Spiderman? As for your second point and thord he is srill trying to work out a way to do both that's what he has been trying to do in the first place in the movie balancing things out. Your fourth point probably because finding one person in particular in New York is almost impossible plus he doesn't boast on that and Otto only knew because of Harry showing him who Peter is
10. Andrew Garfield is horribly misscast as Peter Parker and Tobey in this movie is not suppose to be wisecracking or highly happy
11. He was losing his powers because of a mental struggle you know psychology? Just like someone witha fear of something. No he quit because i can't keep a job i want because I am spiderman,my boss hates me, my best friend hates me,lost my girlfriend to my asshole boss's son,i potentially lost a mentor of mine and couldn't say his wife and my aunt is struggling because she can't pay the bills and because I caused my uncle to die. His life isn't hard it's terrible because of being spiderman he has too much to work with. Also the comic sounds pretty bad compared to that "boohoo i lost"
12. When your faster than any police car and can knock people around easily plus i can web them up. Batman is nowhere close to Spiderman in speed or strength or can do much compared to webs
13. What mugging scene? The scene where he walks away is when police are involved in something? Did you even see the movie?
14. I can point out a million in the dark knight starting with Harvey Dent making no sense
(SPOILER WARNING: The following is an in depth critical analysis. If you haven’t seen this movie yet, you may want to before reading this review)
So the first Spider-Man movie was… less than satisfactory. How was Spider-Man 2?
This movie often appears in many Top 10 Superhero Movie lists. I’ve got a feeling that those people haven’t actually seen this movie in a very long time. Or if they did, it was possibly through rose tinted lenses.
Like with the previous movie, lets start with what I did like. First, my favourite character, J Jonah Jameson. He’s so funny! Every time he’s on screen I’m in stitches. My favourite scene has to be when he finally concedes that Spider-Man is a hero and that he feels guilty for supposedly driving him away, only for him to return to his old self when Spidey steals the costume back. Hilarious!
Aunt May gets a lot more to do this time around and Rosemary Harris does an excellent job with the extra material. I actually became invested in her little subplot about losing her home. It’s pretty much all she has left of Uncle Ben and it’s sad to see her packing her things and moving away. When Peter Parker tells her the truth, that it was because of him that Uncle Ben died, my heart went out to her, thanks to Rosemary Harris’ understated yet powerful performance. I also loved that speech she makes about how there is a hero in all of us (does Aunt May know Peter is Spider-Man? Because that’s how it’s coming across) And a special shout out has to go to the bit where Aunt May smacks Doc Ock with an umbrella. Followed by this little gem:
Spider-Man: “We sure showed him.”
Aunt May: “What do you mean we?!”
Me: Like a motherfucking BOSS!!! You go girl!
James Franco is given a character less incompetent this time around and does a very good job in the role. Harry Osborn is clearly extremely insecure. He’s trying to live up to his father’s memory and his friendship with his best friend is complicated due to Peter taking photos of the man he believes killed his father. As we see his world fall apart, with Doc Ock practically putting Oscorp out of business and discovering that Peter is Spider-Man, it appears that Harry has finally cracked, as he starts hallucinating Norman in the mirror, which leads to him discovering the Goblin lair and the horrible truth. This is great stuff and I’m curious to see where they go with this.
Alfred Molina does a great job as Doc Ock. The scenes at the beginning with Peter and his wife and the scenes where his humanity comes through are wonderfully performed. The CGI has improved a lot since the first movie, with the tentacles being brought to life with a mix of animatronics and computer graphics. The action sequences are great too, the best being the fight on the train. You really feel the danger and peril these characters are in.
Pity the character is complete crap! (Angry rant in 3… 2… 1)
Who in their right mind would give their mechanical arms artificial intelligence?!
Who in their right mind would program said artificial intelligence with the thought process to kill people and rob banks?!
And if you have to build an inhibitor chip to protect your higher brain functions from the artificial intelligence, WHY NOT JUST BUILD A SET OF ARMS WITHOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!
In the comics, the arms were controlled by a control panel until an accident occurred which fused the arms to his back and allowed him to control them telepathically (don’t ask). The reason the accident was caused was because his personal life was so crap that he put everything into his work, becoming more cynical, disrespectful and reckless in the process. He’s a perfect example of genius gone too far and how allowing your work to consume you is a dangerous thing. It astounds me that they scrapped this potentially interesting and thought provoking character study of what is, essentially, a workaholic in favour of a bog standard ‘the AI did it’ plot. It’s boring and negates any potential character growth for Doc Ock.
I’m not even going to comment on the idiocy of him creating a star (see me not commenting), but he does realise that stars have gravitational pulls right? That’s why it started pulling everything toward it. So what good would it do making it bigger?! Did the arms tell him to do it? Why? What possible reason could they have?
Plus this doesn’t sound like the best business venture for Oscorp, does it? The reason fossil fuels are still being used is because there is still money in it. Renewable energy is infinite. There is no supply and demand for it. So any business that invests in Doc Ock’s star isn’t going to profit from it. There won’t be any need to create more stars or sell them. Just one star and you’re done. It’s a total waste of money.
Also, is intelligence a privilege or a gift? If you know, please let Doc Ock know because he can’t seem to make up his mind on the subject.
I suppose I should talk about Peter and Mary Jane.
Lets start with Mary Jane. Now am I right in thinking that she’s only marrying that guy to make Peter jealous? I mean dating another guy is one thing, but marrying him? At what stage do you come out and say 'only joking’? We’re clearly supposed to want these two to be together, but I reckon Peter should just date the girl in the flat next door. He’s saying the reason they can’t date is because he’s Spider-Man, but I think it’s because MJ keeps dicking around, giving mixed signals and making things unnecessarily complicated. My anger levels officially went through the roof when she left her groom at the alter without even having the courage to dump him face to face. She just leaves a note saying 'Fuck you. I’m running off with the pussy in the red and blue pyjamas.’ (At least that’s what I imagine the note says) What a true inspiration to humanity.
Peter Parker is becoming a hateful character too. He still can’t get a bloody clue about MJ and move on, insisting on reading poetry and attempting to woo her in his own plonkerish way. Here’s what I don’t get. He says they can’t be together because his enemies will use her against him. First of all, WHAT ENEMIES?! YOU HAVE NO ENEMIES! Supervillains only seem to occur once in a blue moon in this universe and the petty criminals hardly seem to care. So I’m calling bullshit on that. (plus, surely the only way they can do that is if they know your identity. And the best way to hide your identity would be to, oh I don’t know, KEEP YOUR FUCKING MASK ON!!!) Second, surely just knowing her puts her in danger. The only way to keep her safe would be to cut her out of your life completely, and you’re clearly not up for that. So you might as well just have the sex. Third, if you two can’t be together, why are you still flirting with her? And fourth, you keep boasting to people that you take Spider-Man’s pictures. Well? Don’t you think that might put your loved ones in danger? Like how Doc Ock did when he threw that car through the window and kidnapped MJ? Idiot!
Tobey Maguire, I’m sorry to say, is horribly miscast in the role. He just can’t get across the wise cracking side of the character. He just sounds incredibly dopey and whiney.
The writing doesn’t help matters either.
Lets talk about the subplot where he’s losing his powers… for some reason. Only to get them back… for some reason. I have no idea what that was about and the movie doesn’t even try to explain. It’s just used to artificially force drama into a fight scene.
Then comes the Spider-Man No More stuff. In the comics the reason he did this was because Doc Ock humiliated him, knocking his confidence and making him question whether he’s in over his head. In the movie the reason is because… his life is a bit hard. Oh boohoo! My job sucks and I can’t get a girlfriend! SO WHAT?! Life isn’t going the way you want it. Big deal. Welcome to the rest of the human race.
In fact, does Spider-Man have to get involved with every single crime? Surely the NYPD aren’t that incompetent. Surely Spider-Man can afford to let one or two go. The movie even goes as far as to say that Spider-Man has single handedly reduced crime by 75%. Bollocks! The reason Batman was able to reduce crime in Gotham was because he was working with the police department. One man can’t do that on his own! This isn’t Hong Kong Phooey!
Plus it’s hard to sympathise with a character when he spots a mugging occurring less than three feet away from him and just turns his back and walks away. What the fuck?! I know you’re not Spider-Man anymore, but couldn’t you at least call the police or something? I don’t care how many children you save from burning buildings. I officially hate you now because of that.
Is Spider-Man 2 one of the greatest superhero movies of all time? No. There’s the occasional flash of brilliance. but it’s mostly bad. Not as bad as the first Spider-Man, but still pretty bad. The love story is bullshit, the villain plot is ridiculous and instead of the writers focusing their efforts on character development, they instead give us mostly pointless shit. Did we really need the scene with Peter in the laundromat? Did we really need the Chinese woman singing the Spidey theme? Or the rent guy next door? Or the obnoxious usher? Or that weird scene in the elevator? (I don’t even get that scene. Is it supposed to be funny? Because it’s not. It just makes the film grind to a halt)
Enough. I’m going to watch The Dark Knight. Get some good superhero fiction back in my system.
“As if his Padawan could read his thoughts, Anakin spoke. “I hope you’re not still annoyed with me, Master.” There it was, another reference to Anakin’s rash actions on Forscan VI. Forscan VI was a colony planet at the edge of the Cron drift, currently unaffiliated with either Republic or Confederacy. Elite Separatist infiltration agents had set up a training camp on Forscan, their “exercises” playing havoc with the settlers. The most delicate aspect of the counter operation was repelling those agents without ever letting the colonists know that outsiders had assisted them. Tricky. Dangerous. “No,” Obi-Wan said. “We contained the situation. My approach is more… measured. But you displayed your usual initiative. You weren’t disobeying a direct order, so … we’ll mark it down to creative problem solving, and leave it at that.” Anakin breathed a sigh of relief. Powerful bonds of love and mutual respect connected the two men, but in times past Anakin’s impulsiveness had tested those bonds sorely. Still, there was little doubt that the Padawan would receive Obi-Wan’s highest recommendations. Years of observation had forced Obi-Wan to grant that Anakin’s seeming impetuosity was in fact a deep and profound understanding of superior skills.”
— The Cestus Deception by Steven Barnes
Absolute shenanigans
Crazy fanfic idea i had a few days ago not sure if this has been done in this way at least. Instead of the Son of Mortis making Anakin see the future he does much crazier idea that he could probably do. Imagine this Anakin fights the Son of Mortis but fails and the son tells him he can perfect him which confuses Anakin. Then cut to Obi-wan and Ahsoka looking for him when all of a sudden there is a massive scream which becomes a tremor in the Force causing Ahsoka nearly fall unconscious from the headache and Obi-wan falls down confused then cut to Yoda and Mace in meditation immeadeately both opening their eyes in absolute fear. Then cut to Serreno where Dooku is looking out the window with eyes searching in worry as he starts to sweat and then cut to Maul and Savage(This actually happens after Maul is resurrected in the fic) and then finally to Palpatine who is in his office with eyes wide in shock before narrowing and turning around to the window pondering. Then it's back to Obi-wan and Ahsoka who both run to the son and then find the father and daughter (who is still alive) as well with Anakin on his knees grabbing his hair screaming his head off. They run to him but the father stops them as Anakin looks up with a yellow eye pale face corrupted by the dark side and blue eye and the rest of it looking normal as the yellow eye narrows and screams "OBI-WAN!!!" as he looks up continuing his scream before the scream dies out. "Anakin" closes his eyes and takes in a breath controlling his power he was releasing before letting out his breath he was holding and says "I don't remember the last time i took a breath of fresh air." "Anakin" begins to grin in a dark way and starts to laugh and releasing more energy before looking at Obi-wan and Ahsoka revealing to the audience a spirit behind Anakin a pale,wounded and bald face in the form of Darth Vader taking control of Anakin.
Ok I know a lot of people already talked about the sequel trilogy and its many glaring issues but I wanted to address something that hasn't really been talked about as much as it should be and that is how strong Luke should be.
First of all, let's address a few basic facts which are: Anakin, Leia, and Luke are all confirmed to have the greatest potential by George Lucas himself and the movies which are implied multiple times like when Anakin in TPM is shown to have higher potential than Yoda and Palpatine also realizes Anakin could become stronger than him both he and Yoda are shown to be equals, Luke is stated to have the potential to overthrow Palpatine who is stated to be stronger than when he was in ROTS and Leia is stated by Yoda in ESB that she would be their best bet if Luke dies or falls to the dark side implying both are equals. So all 3 at max potential are capable of killing Palpatine the strongest villain in SW at that point mind you all 3 were implied to be capable of doing that in a rather short amount of time too.
Another basic fact as well Dooku got stronger and became a better duelist despite being in his 80s. Why is this relevant? Well, I have been noticing a lot of people saying Luke was too old and was not in his prime but what they don't know or realized is that Jedi and Sith don't get weaker with age if anything they get stronger. Hell, there is even a sourcebook from TCW stating Dooku was getting stronger throughout the war causing Palpatine to become rather uncomfortable with what was going on with his apprentice. Now Luke was not some old man very much past his prime when he died he was 8 years older than his father who was 45 and the same age as Mace Windu who was 53. So Luke if anything should be either *reaching* his prime or already be in it.
Let's also keep in mind one thing Luke was confirmed to be inactive and didn't train for 6 years. This is confirmed by the ROS visual dictionary stating Luke's temple was destroyed 6 years ago before The Force Awakens happens(Which leaves the question how the jedi were a myth? But that is a question for another time). So Luke wouldn't have gotten much weaker than what he once was.
And the final fact was that Anakin would be on the same level as the ones of mortis and so would Luke and Leia. This is confirmed multiple times.
Despite all these facts that are well known throughout SW TLJ Luke is somehow suggested to be inferior to Kylo,Rey and Palpatine. Hell he was stated to be afraid of Kylo and Rey's dark side power. Yet Luke should easily be someone who does not feel threatened by it because he is still far stronger. Let's keep in mind Palpatine is heavily suggested to be at his weakest in ROS until he absorbs the dyad and still stomps all over Rey and Kylo easily. So if a weakened Palpatine could do that why is Luke the guy who should have been above Palpatine *ages* ago somehow inferior to that version of Palpatine. No matter how you judge it Luke should be capable of basically due what Palpatine could do but even more.
I am just going to throw in what Luke could do or has done in the EU:
Originally Luke mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat, easily defeat his dark side nephew by just staring at him(Ps Luke was pushing 60 when he did that), fought a being on the same level as the ones of mortis, shown incredible intelligence and wisdom as the grandmaster, has mastery over the dark side and is strong enough to the point that he is confident in beating beings on the same level as Vader without to much difficulty in the form of his nephew.
To anyone who wants to argue that Luke should not be that strong well you have to argue against the narrative as that's what he was to become when he reached his prime.
Luke is stronger because he is in his prime which Anakin didn't get but if Anakin had a few more years he would. Essentially Luke had more opportunities but to make it clear this is Luke long after return of the Jedi though some people argue by ROTJ for some reason.
Ok um, one thing I saw rather recently and it's basically blowing my mind and it's the fact there are at least around 30 statements on Anakin being the strongest jedi/warrior/sith either of all time or in his era. None of them say he is potentially the strongest jedi or that he could be they just outright says he is. I am not going to post all of them but the majority
Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council. But as Obi-Wan had told him time and again, the essence of being a Jedi didn't hinge on attaining mastery of the Force, but on attaining mastery over oneself.
(Obi-Wan Kenobi | Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil)
But Coruscant was not only the heart of the government and the location of the Galactic Senate. It was also the home of the Jedi Temple. As the Separatist attack began, a message was beamed to the Outer Rim, summoning the Jedi’s greatest warriors home. Before the Separatist fleet could leave the Coruscant star system with the Chancellor, they found themselves under attack. Waves of clone starfighters, led by Obi-Wan and Anakin, stormed around their ships.
(Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization)
This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace. He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it.
(Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"It will be," he said slowly, meditatively, as though he spoke only to himself, "an embarrassment to be captured by him." The voice that answered him was so familiar that sometimes his very thoughts spoke in it, instead of in his own. "An embarrassment you can survive, Lord Tyranus. After all, he is the greatest Jedi alive, is he not? And have we not ensured that all the galaxy shares this opinion?"
(Dooku and Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger."
(Mace Windu | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"We won't try, Anakin. We will do. After all, they are only Senators. Most of them couldn't hide what they're thinking from a brain-damaged blindworm, let alone the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy."
(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"And even if the prophecy has been misread. Anakin is the one Jedi we can best hope would survive an encounter with a Sith Lord."
(Agen Kolar | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
Even after all these months, she couldn't make herself entirely believe that actual Jedi blood ran in her veins-not only Jedi blood, but the blood of arguably the most powerful Jedi in history.
(Leia Organa | Star Wars: Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor)
"You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master." "What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair! I'm more powerful than any of you. How can you be on the Council and not be a Master?" It was a boy's expression of anger, but it was true. And, as history repeated itself because it had no other choice, Jacen was more powerful than any of them except Luke. And he was growing closer to Luke's strength by the day.
(Jacen Solo | Star Wars: Legacy of the Force - Bloodlines)
"Haden has written a story that goes to the emotional core of everything that happens in Episode III. Obi-Wan must confront every doubt, every misgiving about his time with Anakin. Has he failed his Padawan? Has he missed opportunities? Is he even worthy to have been the mentor to the galaxy's most powerful Jedi?"
(Randy Stradley | Star Wars Insider 79 - Clone Wars Villains Face Their Reckoning)
Gillard also reports that the duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. "Obi-Wan taught Anakin and Anakin has gone past him," he notes. "But when you get to that duel, it's emotional. That's where the mistake will be made. And if you know the characters, you know Obi-Wan isn't going to get emotional and he doesn't make mistakes."
(Dreamwatch #113 - Interview with Nick Gillard)
"Anakin's the most powerful Jedi around."
(Justin Lambros | Disney Adventures: Super Comics Special May 2005)
Many years from now, Luke and Leia Skywalker, offspring of the most powerful Jedi who ever lived, would understand their true destiny.
(Star Wars Revenge of the Sith - The Movie Storybook)
"Anakin's style has changed completely between Episode II and Episode III. He now no longer cares. He knows he's unbeatable. He's far more dangerous than anybody in the universe."
(Nick Gillard | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith - Prima Official Game Guide)
Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in over a thousand years.
(Star Wars: Miniatures - Ultimate Missions - Revenge of the Sith)
This makes Anakin, in effect, a Jedi Master, a rank that Anakin, with his unprecedented power in the Force, feels has been long overdue.
(Star Wars: Miniatures - Ultimate Missions - Revenge of the Sith)
Anakin Skywalker was the most powerful Jedi the galaxy had ever known . . . Anakin was also peerless in combat, invincible against any opponent.
(Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #8)
Thus, Darth Vader becomes a ‘fallen angel’ figure. From being the most powerful Jedi, a fearless hero of the Republic, Anakin falls to the lowest possible point because of his desire for power and security.
(Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #12)
Deep and layered are the schemes of the Dark Lord Sidious, Sith Master and architect of the fall of the Republic. Perceiving in young Anakin Skywalker a strength as yet unseen among even the greatest of the Jedi, the Sith Lord engineers elements into his plans, rich in contingencies, that might either turn the troubled Jedi to his own purpose, or else destroy him altogether.
(Star Wars: Sideshow Collectibles - Asajj Ventress statue)
Darth Sidious adheres to a tradition of secrecy imposed by the Sith a thousand years before, working his evil schemes through intermediaries and dupes while remaining hidden in the shadows. His organization includes politicians and anarchists, crime lords and corrupt law enforcement, schemers and dreamers, the wealthy and the impoverished-and, as the war draws to a close, the most powerful Jedi Knight alive: Anakin Skywalker.
(Star Wars: The Clone Wars Campaign Guide)
The mightiest of the Jedi is Anakin Skywalker, rumored to be the Chosen One destined to bring balance to the Force.
(Star Wars: The Clone Wars Episode Guide)
Skywalker was seduced by the dark side of the Force. His boundless abilities fueled a sense of pride that hastened his fall . . . Palpatine elevated himself to the position of Emperor, and dispatched Vader as his ultimate enforcer. With his unparalleled Force abilities, Vader swept through the Jedi Temple.
(Official Star Wars Website - Databank: Darth Vader)
Here is a kicker there is this statement repeated 3 separate times by 3 Revenge of the sith related material implying this line was suppose to in the movie because you do not just repeat this line 3 times without a higher up wanting you to put it there in all 3 sources people are going to read
"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Go forth, my boy. Go forth, and bring peace to our Empire."
(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)
"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you," the cloaked figure said. “Now go, and bring peace to the Empire."
(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization)
"You have done well, my new apprentice. Your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Now go, Lord Vader, and bring peace to the Empire."
(Darth Sidious | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith comic)
As the Clone Wars rage across the galaxy, young Jedi hero Anakin Skywalker falls to the dark side of the Force and becomes the most powerful enemy ever faced by the Jedi.
(Hasbro Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith action figure line)
Like for anyone wanting to argue Yoda or Mace are stronger than Anakin and could beat him in a fight you have to argue somehow all the people involved in this were exaggerating each and every time and that somehow no one else rained in or said they couldn't say that and let them license those statements. I don't know about anyone else but if an author, series creator, or licensed material says something over a dozen times about their character when does that statement stop being a mistake they might have made and start becoming an actual fact in their universe?
That's why I killed you