I Interpret It More As SWTOR Trying To Make It Seem Like That Not All Sith Are Good But Fail Do To The

I interpret it more as SWTOR trying to make it seem like that not all sith are good but fail do to the so many evil things the sith hell the sith were invented to be a corrupt the point of balance in the force is to get rid of the dark side because it's basically a cancer I won't deny there a few good apples but the grand majority as in 99% are evil. Last I checked the Jedi didn't try to murder billions of people out of spite, caused supernovas killing billions, would give anything for power including killing your loved ones (looking at you Malgus) and hurt people to fuel their own power (looking at you Nihilus). The sith's way of gaining power is killing your loved ones for self hatred, draining the life of people to gain more power, torturing people(for example the oh so good Marr threatened to do while Satele tried to not do and be more gentle), relish in the fact of who they killed, backstab one another the moment they get the chance, are obsessed with killing Jedi constantly, prioritise killing them over almost anything else, many dark side choices are torturing or killing in the game while light side is not killing people most of the time. It's hard to find a good sith who didn't turn to the light side or was using the good to benefit their side. A sith will almost always try to hurt others to get their way while the Jedi will usually show compassion to help others. Sure the Jedi are sometimes questionable but I would prefer a side that wasn't supporting genocide, planetary destruction, mindless violence, gaining power for power's sake and fascism. There is reason why one is an empire and to gain support and become a leader you must be powerful while the other is a democracy where anyone can have a voice. And for last nail in the coffin here is one passage from Sorzus Syn one of the sith and founder of the sith code:

"The sith purebloods require no mantra to remind them how to live. They simply take what they can, kill what they don't need and use everything to it's fullest. They are ruled by the fittest and are a model of what the dark side can achieve"

One more thing: please spare me this “all Sith are evil and self-serving and only care about themselves” nonsense. In the pre-Darth Bane era that’s ridiculous, as much as it is to say all Jedi are good. This is the Sith code. There’s nothing here about being selfish, racist or not caring about others. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. It’s notable that there seems to be some leave in Sith society for Sith to interpret the Code as they will - there is a scene in the Inquisitor story where Ashara Zavros is frustrated with that lack of a unified philosophy. This isn’t “self serving,” in real-world religions there are often those who question, study and interpret differently. This is the Jedi code. There’s nothing here about being selfless, being nice or caring for others. There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force

From what is said, there’s less leave for Jedi to question and interpret the Code as they will, and more of a unified message. We see this in major world religions too. Neither one is wrong. We meet plenty of Sith who are horrible people, but the stories also show us numerous examples of Sith busting their asses to protect the Empire or the galaxy.

- Satele Shan accuses Scourge of helping defeat Vitiate for “selfish reasons.” She never gives any indication what these reasons are, of course. Scourge sacrificed everything to help defeat Vitiate. He had a position of extreme power in the Empire - not even the Dark Council could stop him, and he answered only to Vitiate. He gave that up to help the Jedi that wanted his people dead, made himself a traitor to his own faction, and was risking his own immortality. That doesn’t seem at all selfish to me. - Darth Marr volunteers his own resources defeat Revan in a Coalition with the Republic to save the galaxy. He later leads another coalition into Wild Space with the same goal. And when the ship goes down he doesn’t save his own ass, he’s running around literally trying to put out the fires himself. - Lana Beniko risks her neck multiple times to save the Empire and later to save the Alliance, to the point of literally jumping in front of the player to take a blaster shot in the stomach. There are several occasions in KOTFE and KOTET where she offers to sacrifice herself so the PC can get away. - The Sith Empire led by Acina puts themselves on the line to support the Alliance against Zakuul, when they could have easily sat back like the Republic. Defying Zakuul could have brought the Eternal Fleet down on their heads, and they did it anyway. - Khem Val, while technically not a Sith but still ‘dark sided’ literally sacrfices himself to stop Darth Zash from hollowing out the Sith Inquisitor and taking their body. If the Inquisitor died, he would have been free. - Darth Silthar on Tatooine doesn’t send his men out into the dangerous field, he does it himself, and uses his last breath to utter a warning to the PC. - When the Sith Empire realizes that releasing the Dread Masters was actually a very, VERY bad idea, they clean up their own mess and devote their own troops to it. The Sith commander on Oricon is on the surface, doing everything he can to shield everyone else, even at his own expense. So where is this “all Sith are selfish and care only for themselves” thing coming from? Maybe the answer isn’t in the Sith, but with the Jedi and how they operate. The Jedi serve the Republic for life. In SWTOR you are told that they serve the Republic even if they don’t agree. They are not given a choice. In the newest update there is talk from General Daerunn of tracking down Jedi and making them come back to fight for the Republic even if they don’t want to. The Jedis’ duty is to serve, without question. The Sixth Line even puts this ethos into their modified code: There is no contemplation, but duty. The Jedi hammer this philosophy into their recruits from a young age: they are there to serve unquestionably. The Jedi’s duty is to do the Republic’s bidding. They are expected to forego love, relationships, families or their own personal lives to fulfill this mandate, and it is seen as noble and good. What about anyone who doesn’t want to do that? What about anyone who wants to have some life of their own? Easy! You make emotions and dissent “the dark side.” You make the dark side evil. You make it a Very Bad Thing for a Force sensitive to have any other goal in life than to unquestioningly serve their government. There’s no other way to preserve the status quo of the Jedi as the Republic’s eternal unpaid servants. If they go off and do what they want, or get to think about it, they might leave! Hammering this point home, the Jedi consider any other Force creed to be dark-sided, which isn’t unlike some evangelical religions that think that they are the only ones going to Heaven. For example, there are a few exchanges in the Jedi class stories where Satele makes this claim about the Voss. The Voss, who use their Force sensitives to heal others through self-sacrifice in the Shrine of Healing (watch the Sith Warrior story - the Mystic takes her own strength and gives it to a sick person, and it’s painful enough to make her cry), have precognitive visions and interpret them to help their people. There really doesn’t seem much that is evil about that. Satele Shan says nothing about the Voss’s practice of apartheid against the Gormak, but she’s concerned about their use of the Force.

Point being, claiming that every action taken by a Sith is for their own benefit is as silly as saying that every action taken by a Jedi is out of the goodness of their own heart or free will.

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anakin03986

11 months ago

Luke is stronger because he is in his prime which Anakin didn't get but if Anakin had a few more years he would. Essentially Luke had more opportunities but to make it clear this is Luke long after return of the Jedi though some people argue by ROTJ for some reason.

Ok um, one thing I saw rather recently and it's basically blowing my mind and it's the fact there are at least around 30 statements on Anakin being the strongest jedi/warrior/sith either of all time or in his era. None of them say he is potentially the strongest jedi or that he could be they just outright says he is. I am not going to post all of them but the majority

Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council. But as Obi-Wan had told him time and again, the essence of being a Jedi didn't hinge on attaining mastery of the Force, but on attaining mastery over oneself.

(Obi-Wan Kenobi | Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil)

But Coruscant was not only the heart of the government and the location of the Galactic Senate. It was also the home of the Jedi Temple. As the Separatist attack began, a message was beamed to the Outer Rim, summoning the Jedi’s greatest warriors home. Before the Separatist fleet could leave the Coruscant star system with the Chancellor, they found themselves under attack. Waves of clone starfighters, led by Obi-Wan and Anakin, stormed around their ships.

(Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization)

This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace. He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it.

(Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"It will be," he said slowly, meditatively, as though he spoke only to himself, "an embarrassment to be captured by him." The voice that answered him was so familiar that sometimes his very thoughts spoke in it, instead of in his own. "An embarrassment you can survive, Lord Tyranus. After all, he is the greatest Jedi alive, is he not? And have we not ensured that all the galaxy shares this opinion?"

(Dooku and Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger."

(Mace Windu | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"We won't try, Anakin. We will do. After all, they are only Senators. Most of them couldn't hide what they're thinking from a brain-damaged blindworm, let alone the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy."

(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"And even if the prophecy has been misread. Anakin is the one Jedi we can best hope would survive an encounter with a Sith Lord."

(Agen Kolar | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

Even after all these months, she couldn't make herself entirely believe that actual Jedi blood ran in her veins-not only Jedi blood, but the blood of arguably the most powerful Jedi in history.

(Leia Organa | Star Wars: Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor)

"You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master." "What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair! I'm more powerful than any of you. How can you be on the Council and not be a Master?" It was a boy's expression of anger, but it was true. And, as history repeated itself because it had no other choice, Jacen was more powerful than any of them except Luke. And he was growing closer to Luke's strength by the day.

(Jacen Solo | Star Wars: Legacy of the Force - Bloodlines)

"Haden has written a story that goes to the emotional core of everything that happens in Episode III. Obi-Wan must confront every doubt, every misgiving about his time with Anakin. Has he failed his Padawan? Has he missed opportunities? Is he even worthy to have been the mentor to the galaxy's most powerful Jedi?"

(Randy Stradley | Star Wars Insider 79 - Clone Wars Villains Face Their Reckoning)

Gillard also reports that the duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. "Obi-Wan taught Anakin and Anakin has gone past him," he notes. "But when you get to that duel, it's emotional. That's where the mistake will be made. And if you know the characters, you know Obi-Wan isn't going to get emotional and he doesn't make mistakes."

(Dreamwatch #113 - Interview with Nick Gillard)

"Anakin's the most powerful Jedi around."

(Justin Lambros | Disney Adventures: Super Comics Special May 2005)

Many years from now, Luke and Leia Skywalker, offspring of the most powerful Jedi who ever lived, would understand their true destiny.

(Star Wars Revenge of the Sith - The Movie Storybook)

"Anakin's style has changed completely between Episode II and Episode III. He now no longer cares. He knows he's unbeatable. He's far more dangerous than anybody in the universe."

(Nick Gillard | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith - Prima Official Game Guide)

Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in over a thousand years.

(Star Wars: Miniatures - Ultimate Missions - Revenge of the Sith)

This makes Anakin, in effect, a Jedi Master, a rank that Anakin, with his unprecedented power in the Force, feels has been long overdue.

(Star Wars: Miniatures - Ultimate Missions - Revenge of the Sith)

Anakin Skywalker was the most powerful Jedi the galaxy had ever known . . . Anakin was also peerless in combat, invincible against any opponent.

(Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #8)

Thus, Darth Vader becomes a ‘fallen angel’ figure. From being the most powerful Jedi, a fearless hero of the Republic, Anakin falls to the lowest possible point because of his desire for power and security.

(Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #12)

Deep and layered are the schemes of the Dark Lord Sidious, Sith Master and architect of the fall of the Republic. Perceiving in young Anakin Skywalker a strength as yet unseen among even the greatest of the Jedi, the Sith Lord engineers elements into his plans, rich in contingencies, that might either turn the troubled Jedi to his own purpose, or else destroy him altogether.

(Star Wars: Sideshow Collectibles - Asajj Ventress statue)

Darth Sidious adheres to a tradition of secrecy imposed by the Sith a thousand years before, working his evil schemes through intermediaries and dupes while remaining hidden in the shadows. His organization includes politicians and anarchists, crime lords and corrupt law enforcement, schemers and dreamers, the wealthy and the impoverished-and, as the war draws to a close, the most powerful Jedi Knight alive: Anakin Skywalker.

(Star Wars: The Clone Wars Campaign Guide)

The mightiest of the Jedi is Anakin Skywalker, rumored to be the Chosen One destined to bring balance to the Force.

(Star Wars: The Clone Wars Episode Guide)

Skywalker was seduced by the dark side of the Force. His boundless abilities fueled a sense of pride that hastened his fall . . . Palpatine elevated himself to the position of Emperor, and dispatched Vader as his ultimate enforcer. With his unparalleled Force abilities, Vader swept through the Jedi Temple.

(Official Star Wars Website - Databank: Darth Vader)

Here is a kicker there is this statement repeated 3 separate times by 3 Revenge of the sith related material implying this line was suppose to in the movie because you do not just repeat this line 3 times without a higher up wanting you to put it there in all 3 sources people are going to read

"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Go forth, my boy. Go forth, and bring peace to our Empire."

(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you," the cloaked figure said. “Now go, and bring peace to the Empire."

(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization)

"You have done well, my new apprentice. Your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Now go, Lord Vader, and bring peace to the Empire."

(Darth Sidious | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith comic)

As the Clone Wars rage across the galaxy, young Jedi hero Anakin Skywalker falls to the dark side of the Force and becomes the most powerful enemy ever faced by the Jedi.

(Hasbro Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith action figure line)

Like for anyone wanting to argue Yoda or Mace are stronger than Anakin and could beat him in a fight you have to argue somehow all the people involved in this were exaggerating each and every time and that somehow no one else rained in or said they couldn't say that and let them license those statements. I don't know about anyone else but if an author, series creator, or licensed material says something over a dozen times about their character when does that statement stop being a mistake they might have made and start becoming an actual fact in their universe?

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anakin03986

4 years ago

Um actually you are wrong on several accounts for example Anakin did not care about being a Jedi master because of the tittle it was something he really wanted but because it gave him access to the forbidden archives to find a way to save padme so no he was actually focused on saving his wife and children not because of a promotion. It's in the novelization but it was canon and Lucas over saw it and helped edit it. Also Anakin is shown to be angry because he feels it is injustice that he is on the council seat and not a master instead of not having the seat at all. If the seat was rejected I don't think he would lash out nearly as much as he acts calm at their initial doubt. I think your not giving Anakin enough credit and just writing him of as some arrogant brat when he is not hell Anakin at this point was fully committed to just leaving the Order to be with Padme after saving her life but because the council refuses to give him access to he a master and potentially saving Padme he was pissed. Even then you seem to forget in the movie he just a question and doesn't try to you know kill them or threaten them he only ask a simple question that the SWTOr era would have given him. Satele's apprentice when not given the rank of knight was explained why he couldn't get it but noooo not Anakin.

Anakin, the Jedi Knight class story & the Jedi Council

So the Jedi take a lot of hits - some deserved, many not - for their decisions during the various stories. One of the decisions where i think they don’t deserve the hate was this much-discussed gem from Revenge of the Sith.

Wouldn’t it be awesome if this were all a test? Like, if Anakin does what a Jedi is supposed to do and says “I understand, Master. I will strive to prove worthy of your trust.” they all say. “Ah - that’s the correct answer. Congratulations. You are now a Jedi Master.” Instead, he throws a fit about not getting a promotion. Jedi are not supposed to care that much about promotions. A reminder here - The Jedi do NOT promote based on personal power, or even as an act of merit for victories in battle. The Jedi promote to Master based on wisdom and dedication to the ideals of the order. They make no secret of this. To anyone. Anakin, at this point, is a galactic hero in the war against the CIS. He slew Dooku. He’s won countless battles. But virtually everything he says and does screams ‘I’m not ready to be a Jedi master and i may never be ready to be a Jedi master!’ (It shouldn’t help that he has married and is having kids, and all he can think about is whether or not he gets the nice corner office at work. He’s honestly thinking about his career?)

Honestly, this is some petulant emo b.s. And no, The Clone Wars doesn’t make me think differently about it. Maybe the Jedi Order - and Obi-Wan - did fail Anakin. Maybe they didn’t help him deal with the trauma of his childhood or his mother’s death. Quite frankly, there are so many iterations between Canon and Legends that i can’t keep track. But you cannot tell me that they were being unfair to him when they told him they weren’t making him a Jedi master. I can’t help but contrast it with the ending of the Jedi Knight story.

Now if you went DS - if you chose to go DS - then Satele does not make you a Master. This is appropriate. No one “accidentally” goes DS when they play SWTOR, much less when they play JK and the LS points come at you like crazy. But i keep seeing fans of every stripe complain about how unfair and hypocritical this is. After all - you’ve just saved the galaxy! The Jedi don’t appoint Masters based on saving the galaxy. They don’t appoint Masters based on winning the most battles. If a Jedi Knight does not become a Jedi Master at the end of the story, then the responsibility for that lies squarely on the player. (I will say that its b.s. that Satele calls out the DS JK in front of the Republic’s entire leadership. That was terribly indiscreet on Satele’s part and makes no sense whatsoever.) I know some people have written fic where the JK has no choice but to go dark-side in order to destroy the Emperor, and then use the fic as a platform to complain about how unfair Satele and the council are. That is their right, but that is not what happens in the actual game. Jedi Masters certainly do fail, either falling to the dark side or to their own hypocrisy. Jaric Kaedan. Jun Seros. Dooku. Being named a Jedi Master does not give you some kind of shield against failure. Maybe the council should have seen the signs on some of THOSE failures. But Anakin and a dark-side JK? I’m sorry. But they have have no room to complain. The Jedi order never lied about the qualifications for being a master. BioWare doesn’t always do a great job making our choices matter. But they did here.

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anakin03986

5 years ago

I'm not to defend Padme or Anakin but

1. It wasn't genocide there are at least millions more tusken raiders

2. There has rarely if ever been a good tusken raider. They constantly slaughter people and are never on trial because there is no trial in the first place.

3. Eh before becoming Darth Vader he saved at least billions of beings all across the Galaxy so that should make up for killing less than a hundred sentient beings.

4. Luke killed a few thousand if not million people by blowing up the death star yet he never stands trial either so how is that different

there was a kylo ren reference in star wars resistance tonight, apparently slaughtering villages is a hobby for him. the episode’s premise revolves around 2 kids running away from the FO after kylo killed their entire village, including their parents. FO wants to kill the kids, too.

Oh but poor babby Ben felt TERRIBLE about having to kill them, in fact how dare the villagers make him feel so bad these kids deserved to die for that and also children are terrorist enemy combatants too and should have been killed poor Ben did nothing wrong uwu

Also what are these kids whining about anyway? At least they didn’t have a powerful Dark Side user stalking them from their father’s left nut and their dead parents actually cared about them something something kitchen droid Bendemption 2k19!!!✌️👍💖

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anakin03986

1 year ago

Accurate summary of me and my friends

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anakin03986

4 years ago

That's not ableist in my opinion since it's just a visual meaning of how became dark and evil both physically and inside. Plus George actually showed the opposite by making Vader good in the end

the way it's lowkey ignored how anakin lost half his saber wielding arm at 19 yrs old and prob had to relearn/adjust a lot of shit.. like sure i guess they had some super high tech prosthetics in sw but it's still not his own original hand not to mention the trauma of losing a limb (or half a limb)... and the shit after mustafar.. he didn't just lose all his limbs and became horribly disfigured and in constant chronic pain he also lost most of his power.. lost the force

George has explained the meaning behind Anakin’s loss of limb as a physical representation of the loss of his humanity and his power. His loss of power is explained as him losing limbs = losing midichlorians = weakening his connection to the Forcer. But he also explains his loss of limbs as losing his humanity and, to be honest, I have a huge problem with that. I find it ableist. Losing part of your body doesn’t and shouldn’t make anyone automatically less human.

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anakin03986

1 year ago

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