the anti-endo side of the internet is rotting my brain by the second what are you people DOING
this is a little bit about the new octocon app but just in general-
speaking as a medically recognized (not diagnosed for safety reasons but doctors are aware) P-DID system, i cannot believe i have to say this, but endogenic systems are entirely unharmful and you look ridiculous trying to pretend they do
“DID/OSDD/etc is a trauma disorder!!” you would be hard pressed to find an endogenic system actually claiming to have those disorders. the vast majority of them have self described as non-disordered
“you can’t be a system without trauma!!” do we know that for a fact? dissociative disorder research is so full of stigma and misinformation that it’s mind boggling, do you honestly trust the dsm-5 to have literally every example of being a system ever written down verbatim?
also systems can be intentionally created for spiritual or personal reasons, please google search tulpamancy
also also it’s incredibly weird and potentially dangerous in some cases to demand proof that someone has experienced life altering brain damaging trauma before you can respect them as who they say they are
“they’re stealing resources!” literally what resources. therapy? they’re stealing therapy? please be serious.
w/ regards to pk/sp and octocon- what tangible harm is it doing to you for someone who calls themselves an endo system to use the same app as you. answer quickly.
i don’t even particularly care that much about this, i’ve largely stopped talking about being a system online because of how mind numbingly absurd the community is, i just cannot overstate how little this discourse matters
if someone is earnestly and intentionally faking being a system then the consequences of that behavior that turn up in their social life will be more than enough without you ridiculing them relentlessly for something that most of the time has little if any material impact
you’re just diet fakeclaiming please find something else to do with your time than bothering people who aren’t bothering you
dude, why cant people respect DNI’s? it doesn’t MATTER the opinion, everyone deserves to have their own stances and boundaries and it doesn’t matter how bigoted you think their opinions are they said DNI so do. not. interact. you breaking their DNI’s is not going to change their opinion and you’re practically shooting yourself in the foot because now YOU seem like the bigot
one thing i'd like people to talk about more is the fact that being 'endogenic' or 'willogenic' is the same thing as being transDID, transOSDD, transplural, etc,.
i believe most rational people can agree that it's absolutely ridiculous to label yourself a system because it's an 'identity,' but one thing transIDs and endos have in common is that they fully believe serious mental health disorders are labels they can wear.
transIDs and endos are both invalid and disgusting, and should be treated as such, because they're the same thing. the only difference is that endos try to pretend they have a moral high ground and demand your respect. at least transIDs plainly display that they're pieces of shit.
[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]
pov: you just watched ranboo package HIM into a cake container. you’re baffled. why is he even a raccoon?? actually, how are you even here???
based off a post about allium duo napping together + chickens being able to sleep with one eye open added to ranboo canonically having no eyelids
jesus no
that happened to me once, it was kind of a vibe
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Meeting in the middle
let’s unpack what’s wrong with this
1.) “‘endos are trying to steal,’ first off, endogenic systems are not stealing. Anti-endos think they own the rights to the word “system” sorry, they don’t. no one does” while yes i agree, no one “owns” the word/phrase “system” that was not the context of the phrase “endos are trying to steal”, the whole post is about a tag that was made FOR traumagenic systems that was immediately overrun by endos
2.) “‘systempunk’ has devolved into a space full of hate and bashing endogenic systems and those who support them. Nobody with and actual brain that pays attention wants to associate being punk with being HATEFUL. Being anti-endo is not, and never will be punk, okay?” maybe the problem is that system tags were overrun with endo systems, some traumagenic systems (anti-endo or not) said “hey, we want a tag to ourselves where we don’t have to be around people who we either don’t agree with or we’re just straight up tired of seeing” and endos SAW that tag and went “oh a space made specifically for traumagenic systems? we want in!” despite the fact the tag ISNT FOR THEM. i cant talk about the whole punk argument and i wont even try because i don’t know ab it, but i can say that traumagenic spaces are for traumagenic systems regardless of the name. the point of the tag wasn’t the name, it’s the space.
3) "’that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems’ this phrasing right here implies that pro-endo traumagenic/DID/OSDD systems aren't real systems because they don't hate other plurals who's existence wasn't initialized by trauma. How are you going to sit here and FAKECLAIM other trauma survivors who don't agree with you being hateful by saying this? How does that look?” no, the OP is saying that time and time again endos like to infest spaces that aren’t made for them. they are not fakeclaiming. they are not being hateful. they are stating that endo systems decided a tag that was not made for them was theirs.
4.) “Every day anti-endos prove to us more and more that they're a hate group. Oh, and they love to project their actions. They're the ones doing the harm here.
Anti-endos stop harming the plural community challenge: IMPOSSIBLE” actually you’re the one who’s spreading the hate. you saw this post of someone stating that they didn’t like how a tag made for one group was being used by another group. you took it upon YOURSELF to take this post out of context, put words into OP’s mouth and ultimately were the only one spreading hate.
i try to be as kind as possible and i think some endo systems are completely valid but come one people, the point of the syspunk tag was to be traumagenic safe and endos are ruining it. if endos want to be accepted this is not the way to do it. if you guys want a tag, make a tag, dont use traumagenic system’s tags.
endos trying to steal systempunk only reinforces that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems lol
Let's unpack what's wrong with this ridiculous statement from an anti-endo:
1) "endos trying to steal" first off, endogenic systems are not stealing. Anti-endos think they own the rights to the word "system" sorry, they don't. No one does.
2) "systempunk" has devolved into a space full of hate and bashing endogenic systems and those who support them. Nobody with an actual brain that pays attention wants to associate being punk with being HATEFUL. Punks don't hate people. Being anti-endo is not and never will be punk, okay?
3) "that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems" this phrasing right here implies that pro-endo traumagenic/DID/OSDD systems aren't real systems because they don't hate other plurals who's existence wasn't initialized by trauma. How are you going to sit here and FAKECLAIM other trauma survivors who don't agree with you being hateful by saying this? How does that look?
Every day anti-endos prove to us more and more that they're a hate group. Oh, and they love to project their actions. They're the ones doing the harm here.
Anti-endos stop harming the plural community challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
pro endo traumagenic culture is really not understanding or liking how so many anti endos i see seem to be so focused on engaging with and talking about their trauma all the time. like it's almost like i have this disorder that's trying to keep me from doing literally exactly that. i think i should listen to my own body more than strangers on the internet
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merry christmas