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Hetalia Ukraine Headcanon #2 – or, rather, my take on Ukraine in Hetalia canon.

upd: I might have worded it a bit shitty, but the entire purpose of this post is that „canon/common fannon“ uwu crybaby Ukraine is bulshit and fuck canon we ball anyway. That I will be re-creating her character the way I want, and that‘s literally it. Damn. Pls don‘t misinterpret things, I‘m not defending Himaruya or anything

This is something that has to be clarified before I proceed, and even before I answer to any further asks.

I think of Ukraine in „canon Hetalia" as Russia's perspective, what he tells others about Ukraine and what he wants them to think of her, for his own purposes.

Because, if you recall, the episode where she is introduced (Axis Powers, ep 42), it is Russia telling England about her. Just like episode 43, it's Russia's memories and perspective. I hate that this fact is often overlooked, as it makes total sense for Russia to want others to see Ukraine as a weak crybaby that is dependant on him. In fact, this no shit is the attitude russians have to ukrainians. Almost inferior, (quote) unable to fend for themselves. It is not cute. It is very much toxic. The scarf moment is extremely fucking funny. Because, (and again, this is Russia's memories), Ukraine gives him her favorite scarf. But what people overlook, is that in return she asks (in dub) FOR CONTROL FROM BLACK SEA TO POLAND. HER TERRITORIES. THIS- THIS IS NOT A CUTE MOMENT. SHE IS TRYING TO GET AWAY. AS SHE ALWAYS HAS. FOR CENTURIES. Or, in sub, she asks for „inheritance rights to Kyivan Rus", so again, reclaiming a part of her identity. After which, russia concludes that maybe they've never been close at all. srsl I wish russia realised that in real life and fucked off already

To me, this is the first moment that shows that there is much more to Ukraine than what we see, and that Russia must in no way be trusted on his word when it comes to her.

Especially since In her next appearence, Gakuen Hetalian Newspaper Club part 1, Ukraine is nothing like that. She wants to join the choir club, where the baltic trio and others are, and we find out that the choir is targeted by the so-called „soviet club". Lmao. Nor she is in any of the Halloween episodes she appears in subsequently. Moreover, in the 2013 haloween series, Ukraine is shown dressed up as a reference to a Ukrainian(!!!) urban legend about a ghost train. So, she is not afraid to express her identity even at that point. Yes, she is emotional, but not a complete mess of a crybaby whose every 1 in 2 words is „Russia". Which further backs my theory.

The latest appearence, where in Chapter 389 of Hetalia world stars, Ukraine asks Lithuania to „sent spare paper Russias" to her if he ever gets any, because, quote „THIS RUSSIA IS OBEDIENT, QUIET, AND LISTENS TO WHAT I SAY".

Does this sound like a weak crybaby Ukraine whom Russia was describing to you?

No. That's the point.

Btw the only point in history I can think of where she could be referring to when she says it's „like we've gone back in time", is 7th - 10th century; when the principality of Suzdal (later: Muscovy→Russia) was just freshly colonized by Kyiv and Polatsk (later Ukraine and Belarus) and was paying fiefs to them. Which is like, literally 40 years before Suzdal’s prince plundered and burnt Kyiv down in 1169. A first russo-ukrainian war for you.

So, even from "canon hetalia", the idea of Ukraine's character that this fandom often percieves her as derives mostly from Russia's POV. Which is sad, ironic (represents the influence of russian propaganda irl), but also thanks fuck, this means we see so little of her that her personality can be easily interpreted in a multitude of ways that reflect history and reality way better

I literally screamed. I can‘t but love your interpretation.

These two hit the point especially hard 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

I may ot may not try to explain my take on it later on in the evening but this is all I can say in so far.

Does Prussia have ptsd from his childhood marriage with brandenburg

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I'm kinda brain dead today to really get into it but this is a BEAUTIFUL fascinating question and I want to invite @sand-and-swamp-and-wildfire @proosh @edelweissko and anyone else interested in branpru (i know there's more of you in the shadows) to come and reblog this with their take if they want to 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵

hi anon TYSM YOURE TOO KIND!!!!! 🥹🥹🥹

i will be doing taiwan too soon but in the mean time i got distracted by belgukr....bc i was convinced it was a random crackship but was pleasantly surprised to find out they actually have a historical basis....

so here, have their first meeting in the 12th century! pls dont judge the inaccurate clothing lol

What are your favorite things about branpru and lietukr?

briefly speaking — through trial and error I figured I like my ships having historical backing; it just makes stuff much more fun and bloody. Here, this is the case for both — even though the reasons I like one are almost directly opposite to those why I like the other.

I like LietUkr because it’s fucking chill for both; and both actually find comfort and peace in one another, which both Ukraine and Lithuania much deserve after all they’ve been through. Comfort ship🤗

I like BranPru because it’s fucking miserable. How they grapple at eachother’s throats but neither is actually able to let go of another because of the reasons that make both of them sick to their guts from even thinking of it. For what actually brings them closer is a near-obliteration of one and the sheer question of remaining on the political map. The way the power dynamic between them shifts and they way they get attached and get to influence each other so intrinsically neither comes out of it his former self. And neither is able to separate himself from another. It’s not a ship I ship for a healthy stable relationship, neither is capable of that — if it is love, it is amour-propre at best, the enlightment’s violent self-love that stemms out of desire for reckognition from others, desire to be better then them. Brandenburg and Prussia are doomed by the narrative, the narrative existing inside my head but oh well. they also fucking deserve this.

hope that answers

monitor Miku

Nah being fr i think that the fandom seeing independance days as birthdays for very many nations is straight up insulting and a very very american idea. It's the same kind of thinking that gives to those "omg i am older than the countey of serbia" memes.

Like okkkkaaayyy, maybe it makes sence in USA to conceptualise yourself as the folkpeople becoming 'Muricans rather than a brittish colony on the independance day, but in Europe and Asia and Africa these people, a continous line of an ethnicity, the idea of " deutch" or "latgalīši" or "the people who live in the carpathian basin" existed before becoming a conquered imperial land. I get it why for America (or Canada, Australia, etc) this works, but it is not the way things are elsewhere. It is americanocentric.

Its very offputting and invalidates history in such an insidious way. In the case of the baltics +Belarus + especially at this time Ukraine, to celebrate their 1991 independance days as birthdays is playing into russian propaganda that our histories only begin then, and that everything before it is unorganised and primitive, that russians gave us cultures etc etc etc (you can look it up, im not going to dwelve into long detail here). It is an insult to centuries of past, centuries of culture, national identity (be it under diffrent names- Wallachia, Ruthenia, Livonia, so on), and our sovereignity.

I'm not saying we dont celebrate independance days, like we even have two of them (both from russians); they should be memorated. Im not saying hetaliafandom cant have events and weeks n stuff put on these dates. But not as birthdays, I beg. And I do get the headcanons and interpretations, but I ask you to see why it alienates and makes uncomfortable the people *from* these places.

In the case of Lithuania you can choose february 14 1009 when it was first mentioned with the name, or july 6 1253 when the first king was crowned. For Latvia you could use the date of 1204 when the first city of Riege(Rīga) was established by german crusaders, but i dont use a birthday, since there is no concrete date in the 11th century when Latgale was first described by name (up to a hubdred years earlier, so i usually put him besides Lithuania...) For Ukaine you can use the establishing of the Kyivan Rus, for Belarus aswell the first named instances of Ruthenia, so on and so on. There are many important days these characters could assume in the place of a human birthday, and I hope you understand none would use the earliest independances.. There is aswell nothing wrong with them not having set birthdays or ages - like damn, it gets complex and nuanced! They can just hold memorations like everyone else in the country does, with plausible deniability were they there or not. You people are constantly creative with this fandom, this cant possibly be a problem.

There is old and known history to these characters' countries, what to talk about all others whove declared independances from china, russia, england, france, austro-hungary... You do not have to default to the youngest independance dates. I beg you to do better, for your own sake- if i see one more "happy birthday Lithuania" on the 11th made by americans im gonna tear their heads off 🥹💓

—Have you heard the new song that came out recently?

—Huh? *awkwardly scrolls down through mixed Irish and Ukrainian rebel music playlist, frev-napoleonic wars music playlist, „Legio Aeterna – Aeterna Vitrix“, Finnish Talvisota playlist, Polish resistance songs playlist, that one giant Ukrainian resistance songs playlist, German medieval/early modern songs playlist and honorable mention – the fucking metal cover of Preußens Gloria that has singlehandedly brought me out of misery* Huh?

…I like my music about century old at least, I guess??

'you still listen to music from 10 years ago 🤨?' bitch if prehistoric humans had audio recording technology id be sat up here listening to grog and unga bunga's greatest hits don't play with me

what is the relationship between 1p and 2p ukr like?

to say at least, complicated…

…so this is still prety much a sketch, a WIP, I’m still working on their relationship and characterisation and things might change later! but as for now, here’s a vision

separate chibis, I’ll throw them at you and run

Final round of my Brandenburg doodles using using  ヒラ’s old Brandenburg OC design because its my friend’s favorite.