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for the dragon gifs post you reblogged, could you elaborate on your tags? as someone who loves speculative/fictional biology, id be interested in hearing how actual gliding wings would work for dragons, if youre okay with talking about it of course :]

Gosh, basically.... the whole wing shape is wrong for gliding

Firstly, a majority of the dragons' wings do not have any base to them. base being the membrane that should go down their side

For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional
For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional
For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional

By far the worst offender seems to be arrax here, but like. all of the dragons have NO membrane going from their arms down their sides, the only one who appears to have more normal wings is syrax

For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional

It's got more base to the wings so this gif looks slightly more natural to me but not by much

NOW,, my disclaimer. I am not an expert in aerodynamics. So I am just going off what I know personally

First off, the wing shape in most of these dragons is elliptical (like in sparrows) which is good for powered flight (flapping), and when they ARE flapping, it does look very good!! Very powerful strokes etc.

However, because they are missing that base at the wing, a lot of the energy of the downstroke would simply just escape. Wings in general work by "trapping" wind underneath them, by making the air on top roll by at a different speed than the air underneath and generate lift that way, but if there's nothing TO lift... then it won't work

Animals who actually glide all have very specialized wings for it.

Eagles, vultures, condors, etc: all of them have IMMENSE wings, and they almost cannot do powered flight (at least not on the same level that sparrows can), they rely a lot on updrafts

For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional
For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional

Their wings are all very wide, but very rectangular!! the base of their wings is basically the same width as the rest of the wing, generally

This is true as well for SEABIRDS which are all gliding experts. Seabirds have VERY not wide wings, but they make up for that in length, and this very specialized shape they have allows them to glide for literal WEEKS without needing to land

For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional
For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional
For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional
For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional

Basically, I suppose it's something of a tradeoff? Even in these birds the base is incredibly proportionate to the shape of their wings and body, and they depend on wind currents over the ocean specifically. They've evolved for that

alithographica has this VERY GOOD little chart of what different functions wings can perform depending on their shape

For The Dragon Gifs Post You Reblogged, Could You Elaborate On Your Tags? As Someone Who Loves Speculative/fictional

I personally think the got dragon's wings are incredibly disproportionate, looking at wings on any other animal it immediately stands out that a whole chunk of wing is simply... gone. For no good reason other than aesthetic I think

And besides the anatomical error, they don't have a clear purpose to their shape, they kinda do everything all the time and its jarring to see on otherwise incredibly designed creatures and its also an immense shame. It would have been so cool to see different dragons have different flying techniques (the only different one we get is caraxes with his wing legs, but from what ive seen)

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Do you like vintage scientific illustrations?

Do you like not spending huge amounts of money on them?

This website has a huge collection of high quality vintage illustrations that you can download FOR FREE

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They got pretty much everything!! Vintage maps, mushrooms, flowers, trees, bugs, birds, corals, fish, palm trees, feathers, tropical fruits, you name it!!

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They even got some works of my dude Ernst Haeckel on there!!!!

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I could go on and on but I suggest you check it out yourself. Personally, I will be covering my entire apartment with these once copyshops are open again. But even if you don’t want to do that, just browsing all these beautiful illustrations is a great way to spend your time. 

Have fun and stay save!

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The Grackles

are also still around, and some are still feeding babies, but molting has also begun, giving some of them the best and most dramatic looks. As if they couldn’t already do that with their plumage fully intact!

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Part 2 Of Cino Art Tips Is Some Basic Tips On Shape And Silhouette Design Which Are Also Principles I
Part 2 Of Cino Art Tips Is Some Basic Tips On Shape And Silhouette Design Which Are Also Principles I
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Part 2 of cino art tips is some basic tips on shape and silhouette design which are also principles I think about a lot :)

(also i'm so sorry i chose comic sans to write this in idk what i was thinking but i already flattened the layers)

i don't have any other obvious tips off the top of my head rn but feel free to ask anything you are curious about! i love getting asks uwu


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1 year ago

the paralyzed cicadas I picked up from a failed cicada killer nest are the perfect material to show off some cool features of insect anatomy! (although the wasp’s venom would keep them alive for her larvae to eat, I froze them to make sure they’re fully dead for dissection).

cicadas are powerful, fast fliers, and all of their thorax is taken up by a bulk of reddish, stringy flight muscles, which I’ll talk more about later. this cicada is a female, so her abdomen is full of white, elongated eggs that she will insert into tree bark with the bladed ovipositor at her rear.

The Paralyzed Cicadas I Picked Up From A Failed Cicada Killer Nest Are The Perfect Material To Show Off
The Paralyzed Cicadas I Picked Up From A Failed Cicada Killer Nest Are The Perfect Material To Show Off

the male cicada’s abdomen, however, is almost entirely empty, and that air-filled space is used as a resonator for his loud calls. the biggest structure visible there is a curved pair of muscles that deforms the tymbals, producing a click with every contraction.

The Paralyzed Cicadas I Picked Up From A Failed Cicada Killer Nest Are The Perfect Material To Show Off
The Paralyzed Cicadas I Picked Up From A Failed Cicada Killer Nest Are The Perfect Material To Show Off

here's a view of the complete muscle, and the tymbals themselves which look like overlapping plates on his belly. if you're curious what the white frosted appearance is, some Neotibicen have a coat of waxy powder or pruinescence; this male N. tibicen is particularly pruinose.

onto the flight muscles:

powered flight is a pretty complex mechanism in any organism, and is never so simple as just flapping wings up and down, but most insects power their flight in a really unintuitive way (at least for us vertebrates): they contract muscles in their thorax that aren’t even attached to the wings!

this method of flight is called indirect flight, in contrast to the direct flight of the dragonflies and mayflies where each of four wings is directly attached to a muscle and can flap on its own.

The Paralyzed Cicadas I Picked Up From A Failed Cicada Killer Nest Are The Perfect Material To Show Off
The Paralyzed Cicadas I Picked Up From A Failed Cicada Killer Nest Are The Perfect Material To Show Off

instead, most insects have a longitudinal (image 1 above, d below) pair and a vertical (2, c) pair of muscles that deform the shape of abdomen, pulling the upper segment of the thorax (notum) up and down, and this moves the wings which are attached to the notum. useful indirect flight gif from wikipedia found here

The Paralyzed Cicadas I Picked Up From A Failed Cicada Killer Nest Are The Perfect Material To Show Off

even if compressed manually, the dead cicadas "flap" their wings due to the motion of the notum:

The Paralyzed Cicadas I Picked Up From A Failed Cicada Killer Nest Are The Perfect Material To Show Off

insect flight is a lot more complicated than this simplified look at them, but I think these cicadas offer a pretty good look at how most insects get around essentially by squishing themselves internally!


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