Hollisiguess - Hollis_I_Guess

made this ring today lol, also ty for the attention on my lottie post❤️ if you like yellowjackets pls moot me😛

Friend: Hey Hollis, how do you always know lore about fandoms you're not even in?

Me: I dont know, the fandoms minions just kinda go door to door seeing who will hear about their lord and savior bill cipher and, well, I've not got much to do in my life

Half the characters in this photo are dead now🙃

you either vibe with your friend doing axe murder or you don’t

Based on some questionable comments i saw on tiktok

Now that season three is over, and both the lottienats and lottielees were fucked, can we all just hold hands? We're all just freaks who like lesbianism with religious symbolism. Super extremely important gay dissertation under the cut.

I think the argument on whether or not Laura Lee or Nat meant more to Lottie is kind of stupid, considering they've both been shown to have a lot of value in her story. Laura Lee was the sort of precursor to the wilderness, she's the one who started all of that in Lottie. Meanwhile, Nat was "always its favorite"; the one who was at the center of the wilderness for Lottie, she was the sort of chosen one. I also think Laura Lee and Nat work as interesting foils in Lottie's overall story. Laura Lee represents complete unwavering belief and faith, while Nat represents doubt and skepticism. Throughout the first two seasons (before the massive nosedive in season three happened) we saw Lottie navigating the thin line between faith and doubt, and Laura Lee and Nat are the physical embodiments of those key elements.

Due to these different roles Laura Lee and Nat played they both offered different but very needed things to Lottie in their respective moments. In season one Laura Lee offered Lottie what she so desperately wanted, belief and validation. Lottie has always felt insecure and unsure about herself, especially in regard to her schizophrenia. Laura Lee, for better or for worse, intensely validated Lottie. So much so she convinced her she was a prophet touched by god. Laura Lee offered her comfort and belief, which is something Lottie had never received from anyone else throughout her life. Jump to season two we can see now that the way the girls have deified Lottie is beginning to weigh heavily on her. She doesn't know what to do with it, she's not even fully sure of herself, and definitely not sure enough to lead an entire group of girls who are desperate for something to believe in. But then there's Nat who disagrees with her and challenges her at every possible moment, she doesn't deify her, she just views her as a teenage girl. Even if it was frustrating, it's what Lottie needed in that moment, a break from being put on a pedestal. Which is why one of the only scenes in season two where we see Lottie just acting like a teenage girl, separate from all of the wilderness politics, is with Nat in the bathtub scene. It's also a contributing factor to why she ultimately crowns Nat as their new queen.

-I realize in season three the girls stopped believing in Lottie and instead begin to dehumanize and demonize her. However, as we see in episode eight, Nat doesn't call her crazy when she wants to stay like everyone else does and instead tries to reason with her and talk to her like what she is, a scared teenage girl.

With all of this in mind, I'm just incredibly mad at how they handled Lottie's character in season three. They did not mention Laura Lee once, and they did not give Lottie's connection with Nat the exploration it deserved. I was very pissed at how they handled her death; it could have been a very interesting final exploration of her relationship to faith and doubt, but instead we got no real insight into her mental state. Lottie deserved some kind of post-death scene, not necessarily a plane scene, but a scene where she confronted the wilderness and what it really meant to her. She could have been met with Laura Lee and Nat who were the physical embodiments of her faith and skepticism, and seemingly two of the most important people to her. Instead, they stripped out all of the nuance from her character and left what's honestly a quite harmful portrayal of schizophrenia. So yeah, with that being said, we should all just kiss and hold hands because this season absolutely massacred Lottie's character.

The I know what you are look Lottie gave Shauna and Melissa after their “that’s fucking power” and handholding exchange

im scared to ask how you feel about lottie as a character

i have a very complicated relationship with lottie and ive been DYINGGG to talking about her because shes more interesting than shauna can ever dream of being. SHE'S the complex female character we need more of.

okay so to preface: i have multiple scales for character appreciation in my mind. there's writing (how well they're characterized and their role as a narrative decive), personality (how much i would fw them as people), action defendability (self explanatory, how willing i am to ride for their defense), and treatment in the fandom (how contrarian i wanna be)

yall know how it is yapping under the cut

lottie. ohhh boy.

writing: oh no notes. 10/10 she is one of the most fascinating characters in the show. her setup and descent is so well done, and her motivations are beyond complex, like you have her trying to do the best for everyone, but also her whole "the wilderness will choose" mindset. she contrasts herself in the yummiest ways possible. her role in the story is absolutely the most relevant and important for the narrative to progress the way it does. as a character, shes's so well done it makes me wish that i could be objective about the whole thing

personality: unfortunately im not able to enjoy characters simply from a robot analysis objective scale. lottie's personality is -while interesting- absolutely INFURIATING to watch. i personally cant stand characters that i call "progress blockers". she repeatedly forces her belief system (deep psychosis) onto the rest of the team, at the expense of escape or actual rational thought. this is where i have to admit: i root for morally sound, logical characters especially in shows like this. "but you can't watch the cannibalism show and complain about the cannibalism" first off. who said im complaining about the cannibalism. im just complaining that shes tormenting my favs (ben, travis, akilah, nat). i do like that she plays a complicated role as the group's mediator, except her mind is so warped, she does an awful job at it (drugging travis, letting shauna beat her up, deluding her followers). i think that shows how much she cares for these people deep down, and i can respect that. more on that later in ther actions section.

actions: so lottie, like i mentioned earlier, has a really interesting internal conflict of wanting to do whats best for as many of the team as she can, while also not being against sacrificing them for the wilderness's mercy. she very much believes that the ends justify the means. however. i can't ever look past her scenes on doomcoming. and im hoping that the people who made it this far aren't illiterate fucking troglodytes who want to debate on what actually happened to travis that night. because it was s/a, actually, it was attempted gang rape and then attempted ritualistic murder. "you cant watch the murder show and hold it against the murderers" we all know damn well that thats not what was most upsetting about that scene, and im allowed to hold certain crimes over eachother in terms of severity. and quite frankly i just cant bring myself to like a character who engaged -ACTIVELY LED AND RATIONALIZED- in that. lottie's whole schtick is that she just doesnt fucking understand or respect boundaries, literally and metaphorically. moving on from doomcoming, she's weird and culty about shauna's baby, which shauna has full right to be freaked out and pissed about. she becomes the leader of the group in s2 and then can't make proper decisions. she lets shauna almost beat her to death instead of trying to mediate the situation rationally, setting up shauna's vengeful nature we see in s3. thats something i could talk about for hours, how shes partially responsible for the shauna we all know and hate. her drugging travis and akilah is a page straight out of misty's handbook, and i dont think i have to explain why it's wrong. her killing edwin?? denying them all escape, causing a chain reaction with shauna and tai also staying behind??? that elevated my blood pressure to a level dangerous to my health. i cannot stand progress blockers. yes, i know she thinks everything she does is right. that doesn't make me (a rational bystander) like her actions any more. again, there are rational people in the show, so im just gravitated towards them sorry guys.

fandom: lottie has two types of people rooting for her in the fandom. theres the "omg my lord and savior she can do no wrong" group and the "omg crazy ass schizo mental illness queen" group and neither of them get her. she's flawed. but her flaws shouldn't all be attributed to dehumanizing conversations about her mental illness. let's not forget that she was a 17 year old going cold turkey on antipsychotics after living the last decade on them, in a situation that's beyond stressful, mind you. no fucking wonder she turned out that way. whatever. i feel like there arent a lot of her fans who recognize the absolute gray nuance in her character. or maybe im just on tiktok too much and everyone on there is fucking rotted beyond belief.

conclusion: i love her. i hate her. im neutral. she scares me. i blame her for all the problems out there and she's doing her best. that's the point

guh

You guys are defending Mari when she literally walked all the way to civilization without them just to fuck Shauna’s dad

i had to edit my wife bffr