Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

Tim and Damian don’t hate each other

They misunderstand each other. 

I’ve been delving into the comics, searching for the thread that is Tim and Damian’s relationship throughout canon and the overall theme I’ve been seeing is misunderstanding. 

The best place to start is the beginning.  

Tim came from a neglectful home.  Love and attention was never something just freely given to him.  The happiness he felt post-adoption, living with Bruce, was something he felt he earned, and in a way he had.  After all, Tim was not Bruce’s son when he first wormed his way into the Batman operation.  Bruce had no obligation to love Tim, but Tim proved himself to Bruce time and time again to get to where he was, and did eventually gain Bruce’s love.  

The issue where Damian was introduced starts out showing us the state of Tim and Bruce’s relationship at present time.  Bruce is immensely proud of Tim, and says as much.  He claims that Tim knows that, and it’s likely that he does.  Tim seems secure enough in his position in the family. 

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #655]

Tim is an eager, excited, normal teenage boy. Despite all the loss he’s endured recently, he’s in a good spot.

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #655]

And he’s one quite content in his place by Batman’s side.  

Enter: Damian Wayne.

Damian, on the other hand, was anything but neglected.  Not in the same sense Tim was, at least.  Canonically, Damian was abused both physically and emotionally.  

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #665]

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[The Shadow/Batman #3] / [Robin: Son of Batman #2]

I will point out, that #665 happened after Damian met Tim, but I think it still shows what life Damian has come from.  Talia is the one who blew Damian up, after all.  And that smack on the back of the head was nothing compared to the year of blood it preluded, but I digress.  

Perhaps it can be claimed that Damian was neglected in the sense that he was never shown the love children need.  He was never nurtured and allowed to thrive as himself.  Instead, he was forced to commit horrible acts, exposed to graphic violence from pretty much birth, and indoctrinated into one of the worst cults in the DC Universe.  (I would claim the worst, but I am, unfortunately, only familiar with the Batman side of the universe)

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman and Robin (2011) #0]

So when Damian is thrust upon his father, he has no idea how to function in ‘the real world.’  He is operating on the rules and values of the League of Assassins. There, if he felt ignored or brushed aside, the way he won attention was by acting out and proving his worth.  Proving his use.  

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #658]

In fact, he had to continue to prove his worth in order to stay alive in the League. 

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[The Shadow/Batman #3]

So why would it be different in Gotham?  Damian is about 9, maybe 10.  He is just a child.  How many children that young, that deeply indoctrinated, are going to flawlessly adapt to an entirely new culture and new set of ideals and morals, without being taught them first?  Or even being told it’s different where they now live?

Exactly none.

Bruce, for all his shortcomings as a parent, understands this.  He knows exactly where Damian is coming from, and resolves himself to give Damian what he needs: love and respect.

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #657]

Tim, however, does not accept this revelation.  He argues that Damian should earn Bruce’s love and respect like ‘everyone else.’  Read: like he did.  Again, Tim has never once been freely given the love and respect of a parental figure.  Perhaps Jack, in his later years, but it’s difficult to take just a couple good years and ignore the years of prior neglect.  

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #657]

Tim is operating from a damaged worldview, just as Damian is.  No child should ever have to earn his father’s love, and respect is not something anyone should earn.  It should be freely given, then lost if necessary.  Never the other way around.  And children should always be respected, especially by adults.  

Neither Tim nor Damian understand this.  

Regardless, Tim is a kind person.  So he tries.  And that’s how we end up with the infamous attempt on Tim’s life. 

Tim came home to find a new kid in the cave.  He was a little confused by Damian’s presence, and has a hard time keeping the scorn off his face while Damian throws his fit for them all to see.  

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #657]

Despite all this, Tim tries.  Again and again.  

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #657]

Damian, being himself, ignores Tim and fights him at every opportunity.  Even though Tim is highly annoyed with Damian, and seriously defending himself against a violent attack, he still attempts to calm Damian down, saves his life, and tries to talk some sense into him.  Damian, well, pushes Tim off the dinosaur.  

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other
Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #657]

A lot goes down while Tim is out of commission.  Damian steals Jason’s robin suit and goes out to prove himself to Bruce.  Once Bruce makes sure Tim is okay and being taken care of, he willingly brings Damian with him on a mission.  And this is what ultimately drives another wedge between the boys.  

Damian already saw Tim as competition.  Another contender for Bruce’s attention, and by all outward appearances, the current favorite son.  Tim, however, now sees Damian as competition, because Damian just did the unspeakable.  He murdered someone.  In cold blood. He attacked Alfred and he tried to kill Tim.  And yet, Bruce is still showing him ‘love and respect’ in the form of attention.  

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other
Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other
Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #657, #658]

It’s easy to blame all of Damian’s actions on himself, but in the end, he was just a child.  A naive child, at that.

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #658]

But Tim is also just a child.  Likely around 15 or 16, although I’m not sure his age is specifically stated at this time.  I know he tells Jason at least once that he’s 16 quite a while later, but that’s straying off topic.  It’s easy for Tim to blame everything Damian did on Damian himself, because he doesn’t understand Damian or his background.

Bruce does understand, though.  That doesn’t mean he trusts Damian, doesn’t mean he welcomes him warmly in the future, but he understands that Damian’s actions were not his own.  They were the result of abuse and indoctrination.

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #658]

Damian, however, does not see that he has been manipulated.  That he’s been horribly mistreated and his actions are wrong.  And it’s this lack of revelation that actually hurts his relationships in the future, but that’s straying again.  

Of course, Damian returns to his mother and we don’t see him for a while.  Tim recovers, and eventually calls Damian what he is: his brother.

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #676]

Begrudgingly, at least. In a I’m-very-annoyed-why-is-this-happening-to-me sort of way.

But he’s recognizing it, and he’s coming to terms with the reality of the situation.  It causes Tim to become incredibly insecure in his place by Batman’s side, as Bruce’s son, despite Bruce’s reassurances.  

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #657]

Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other
Tim And Damian Don’t Hate Each Other

[Batman (1940) #665]

And thus begins the tumultuous relationship that is Tim and Damian.  

To be continued….

More Posts from Kimmie090 and Others

7 years ago
I Made Part 2 Of The Iconic Vine Wallpapers! Please Like/reblog If You Use Them!
I Made Part 2 Of The Iconic Vine Wallpapers! Please Like/reblog If You Use Them!
I Made Part 2 Of The Iconic Vine Wallpapers! Please Like/reblog If You Use Them!
I Made Part 2 Of The Iconic Vine Wallpapers! Please Like/reblog If You Use Them!
I Made Part 2 Of The Iconic Vine Wallpapers! Please Like/reblog If You Use Them!
I Made Part 2 Of The Iconic Vine Wallpapers! Please Like/reblog If You Use Them!
I Made Part 2 Of The Iconic Vine Wallpapers! Please Like/reblog If You Use Them!

I made part 2 of the iconic vine wallpapers! Please like/reblog if you use them!

6 years ago

Peter when he realizes he accidentally uploaded “A Film By Peter Parker” to YouTube

Peter When He Realizes He Accidentally Uploaded “A Film By Peter Parker” To YouTube
7 years ago

I LEARNED RECENTLY THAT PLATO WON THE GOLD MEDAL IN THE OLYMPICS FOR WRESTLING THREE TIMES. THIS PUTS A NEW PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS. I ALWAYS IMAGINED PLATO TO BE FRAIL AND MISSHAPEN BUT HE MUST HAVE BEEN FRICKEN RIPPED. I WONDER IF ARISTOTLE EVER FELT ANXIETY ABOUT GETTING PHYSICALLY (I.E. NOT JUST METAPHYSICALLY) DISMANTLED BY PLATO. PLATO WAS PROBABLY PISSED OFF BY AT LEAST A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS ARISTOTLE ASKED HIM. ARISTOTLE WAS A LITERAL GENIUS TOO. IMAGINE PLATO LECTURING AND WRITING ON A BLACKBOARD AND ARISTOTLE THROWING A COMMENT OUT THERE ABOUT SOME COMPLEX MISSTEP IN PLATO’S LOGIC AND PLATO’S CHALK JUST SNAPS AND ARISTOTLE’S TESTICLES SUCK WAY BACK UP TO WHERE THEY DROPPED FROM, THEN PLATO IN A BLUR APPEARS BESIDE ARISTOTLE SITTING AT HIS DESK AND HE PICKS HIM UP AND SUPLEXES HIS MACEDONIAN ASS.

4 months ago
Look At The Surprise My Sister Made Me For Christmas
Look At The Surprise My Sister Made Me For Christmas

look at the surprise my sister made me for christmas

3 years ago

no way home was so funny because i was fully sobbing thinking tobey peter was going to die and then he just goes “lol what no i’ve been stabbed before its no big deal im fine”

6 years ago

okay but this song is literally going to be a wakeup call to 90% of armys who don’t stan joon or care abt his feelings.

he’s talking abt how lonely and sad he feels, how everything he does has to be a certain way for the fans to accept him, how he wishes he could cry but can’t.

he’s our namjoon, he’s a beautiful whole being and a poet and a dreamer and he’s not just someone who can rap a verse. he’s so special and perfect and works so hard and he’s begging for us to love him!!!

stream mono. stream forever rain. make him feel like his music is worthwhile.

6 years ago

i am so SO S A D

2 years ago

That time all of the entire batfamily was sleep deprived

Dick: “Tim? Tim! Can you read this? I feel like I’m slipping”

Tim: [slowly walks over]

Dick: “so, what I understand is that the whole operation is settled in New Jersey”

Tim: [reading it over and over] “Dick, there’s nothing about New Jersey in here. Get it together, man”

Jason: “Dick, go lay down man”

Dick: “m’fine”

Tim: [turns around] “I forgot where I put my sandwich”

Dick: “do you want me to call it?”

Tim: [stares at Dick]

Jason: “yes. Please, call Tim’s sandwich”

Dick: [pulls out phone]

Damian: “Grayson, think about it”

Dick: [calls Tim’s phone]

Tim: “hello, this is not Tim’s sandwich”

Bruce: [leans back in his chair] “Dick, leave a voice mail”

Stephanie: “this… this would be so funny if I could hold my eyes open”

Dick: “I’m waiting for the beep”

Tim: [looks at Bruce]

Dick: [realizes] “wait, god- fuck you guys”

Bruce: “I’m honestly shocked you got that far”

Cass: [enters with Tim’s sandwich, eating it]

Tim: [groans]

6 years ago
“Maybe I Can Never Fly”, You Can Really Fly Jin♥
“Maybe I Can Never Fly”, You Can Really Fly Jin♥
“Maybe I Can Never Fly”, You Can Really Fly Jin♥
“Maybe I Can Never Fly”, You Can Really Fly Jin♥
“Maybe I Can Never Fly”, You Can Really Fly Jin♥
“Maybe I Can Never Fly”, You Can Really Fly Jin♥
“Maybe I Can Never Fly”, You Can Really Fly Jin♥

“Maybe I can never fly”, you can really fly Jin♥

Happy Jin Day!!

6 years ago

REBLOG IF YOU THINK MARVEL IS FOR GIRLS TOO

trying to prove a point to my dad

  • grannieslittlerat
    grannieslittlerat liked this · 1 month ago
  • whatthehellsurechicken
    whatthehellsurechicken liked this · 1 month ago
  • daizy2point0
    daizy2point0 liked this · 1 month ago
  • zoedi257
    zoedi257 liked this · 1 month ago
  • playfulpupsi
    playfulpupsi liked this · 1 month ago
  • noiryyyy
    noiryyyy liked this · 1 month ago
  • heizouslesbianwife
    heizouslesbianwife liked this · 1 month ago
  • chocobrotism
    chocobrotism liked this · 1 month ago
  • seisao
    seisao liked this · 1 month ago
  • m3-my-m1n3
    m3-my-m1n3 reblogged this · 1 month ago
  • m3-my-m1n3
    m3-my-m1n3 liked this · 1 month ago
  • hannigramteac69
    hannigramteac69 liked this · 2 months ago
  • seacryptic
    seacryptic liked this · 3 months ago
  • heartz4korii
    heartz4korii liked this · 3 months ago
  • genderlessblob7
    genderlessblob7 liked this · 3 months ago
  • daisybaves
    daisybaves liked this · 4 months ago
  • haonadichow
    haonadichow liked this · 4 months ago
  • holographicvolcanoes
    holographicvolcanoes liked this · 4 months ago
  • imperatrice21
    imperatrice21 liked this · 4 months ago
  • redmynahbird
    redmynahbird liked this · 5 months ago
  • atoms-forming-bea
    atoms-forming-bea liked this · 5 months ago
  • marthworks
    marthworks liked this · 6 months ago
  • changesfandomseverymonth
    changesfandomseverymonth liked this · 6 months ago
  • vicmillen
    vicmillen liked this · 6 months ago
  • celery--parcel
    celery--parcel liked this · 6 months ago
  • samuxx0506
    samuxx0506 liked this · 6 months ago
  • whyhellotheregandalf
    whyhellotheregandalf liked this · 6 months ago
  • still-crybunny
    still-crybunny reblogged this · 7 months ago
  • still-crybunny
    still-crybunny liked this · 7 months ago
  • batfam-stuff-posts-0
    batfam-stuff-posts-0 liked this · 7 months ago
  • rescued-lioness
    rescued-lioness liked this · 7 months ago
  • no-saving-required
    no-saving-required reblogged this · 8 months ago
  • mangasstuffcomics
    mangasstuffcomics liked this · 8 months ago
  • terry6879
    terry6879 liked this · 8 months ago
  • anxious-fennel
    anxious-fennel liked this · 9 months ago
  • locallosersstuff
    locallosersstuff liked this · 9 months ago
  • mandu0929
    mandu0929 liked this · 9 months ago
  • whitetulipsblog
    whitetulipsblog liked this · 10 months ago
  • bananasofthorns
    bananasofthorns liked this · 10 months ago
  • sleepysstars
    sleepysstars liked this · 10 months ago
  • a-butterfly1
    a-butterfly1 liked this · 10 months ago
  • chonaku-things
    chonaku-things liked this · 11 months ago
  • cyber-geist
    cyber-geist reblogged this · 11 months ago
  • cyber-geist
    cyber-geist liked this · 11 months ago
  • honeylolies
    honeylolies liked this · 11 months ago
  • joyfulmoonflower
    joyfulmoonflower liked this · 11 months ago
  • bitter-rabbit3
    bitter-rabbit3 liked this · 1 year ago
  • watterbotleop
    watterbotleop liked this · 1 year ago

408 posts

Explore Tumblr Blog
Search Through Tumblr Tags