I remember my first day on console as the first non-astronaut CapCom, and the very first time the crew called down. I was getting ready to key my mike and speak back up and they asked me a question, and I looked at the Flight Director beside me, he gave me a go, and I answered. And there was a pause.
And it was Frank Culbertson, and he called down and he was like, "Ginger! Is it really you? Oh my gosh, it's so awesome to hear your voice!"
So that kind of eased my tension. The reality was the first set of crews that I wound up working with I had trained alongside for four years. SO it was a treat to be able to be in a position where I could talk to my friends. But I understood what they'd gone through, I understood Mission Control, and I could be their advocate in Mission Control. And I could tell from day one that they trusted me and they were happy that I was there.
How did the crews react to you being the first non-astronaut CapCom? I understand it was quite an important thing to people that the CapCom could empathise with their experiences.
“So, if the sun were just an isolated black hole with nothing around it, we would see nothing. If we knew exactly where to look–which we would, because we’re pretty good astronomers–and we could map out the solar system, we’d know there’s something in the middle of the solar system that’s causing all of the gravity and the orbits of the planets. If we looked right at that, we’d actually see some really cool gravitational lensing effects, and you’d see these arcs of light around the invisible black hole called the Einstein ring.”
What do *you* think is inside a black hole? Or If they sun was a black hole what would we see in the sky? Thanks!
Oh, for the year to come in 2020, what I'm mostly looking forward to is new opportunities to explore. That's been one of the most fascinating things in my seven years that I've been a research pilot at NASA is working with different engineering and science teams and learning more and more everyday.
I feel like - it's just like going to graduate school over and over and learning great new things about the earth's atmosphere and flight research every day. I just don't have to take written tests or write a thesis or anything like that. So it's a great way to go to school and learn and explore.
What are you most excited for in 2020?
"Every job that I have had here, I have had to overcome challenges in order to succeed in it. Whether it's somebody telling me I can't be a flight director because I've never been a flight controller. Or I can't possibly manage a significant amount of budget and personnel because I've never been a low level line manager before.
And my--the way I live my life is you never know until you try. And a lot of people that take on these jobs are never fully prepared when they first start. But as long as you are fully prepared to acknowledge where you fall short and willing to go off and seek help from people who are masters in those areas, then you will succeed."
What challenges have you overcame to get to the job that you have now? Love from Ireland ❤️
In my 28 years here, I've been able to participate in a lot of exciting missions, but out of all of the future missions we have planned the one I'm looking forward to the most is being a part of boots on the moon in 2024.
What future missions are you looking forward to the most?
So when I was inside the space station, one of my favorite things to do was go in the Cupola, which is an area that has a whole bunch of windows. You can actually get your whole body into the Cupola and just see the Milky Way and the universe from the Cupola. And that was amazing.
It was, um–you know terrifying is almost a good word because it was so awe-inspiring to just be in the universe and see the stars–but it was one of the most interesting things to do because it was always changing. Your view was changing as you go around the planet; even at nighttime you can see different aspects of the planet at night as well.
And so whenever I could, I would spend a few minutes when we were in a dark orbit and just try to poke my head into the Cupola and see the stars. It never got old.
What is like to be surrounded by the stars and darkness? Is it terrifying or calming?
Yes, there’s several paths to get to where I am right now and where the other researcher pilots are here at NASA. We have some that come up through civilian flying and they’re educated in different areas. Typically most of us have engineering or STEM related degrees in college, and usually Masters degrees on top of that.
The flying portion, most of us actually come from a military background because that’s the best way to get a lot of intense experience very quickly. So most of us are retired military pilots from all different services, but then we do have several pilots who have grown up flying corporate jets, larger airplanes and became test pilots for companies like, say, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, things like that. And then they get hired at NASA based on their depth and breadth of experience.
So several paths to get there, but these are the most common.
I want to pursue a career in aeronautics and want to get into NASA. Any advice?
Joy is great motivator to do things to do. And that's actually some advice that I have is whatever you're doing in life, make sure that it brings you some joy. But there's a lot of reasons that people do things, and I think one of the really great things about being an astronaut is getting a chance to explore.
We get to do things that are absolutely amazing. And when we see the planet, we explore outer space, and we get to do all these things and we can come back and we can tell people about it. So I think it's the thrill of science. I think it's the lure of discovery. And then the opportunity to share that with the world is really amazing.
Other than joy, why do you do the things you do?
I would say my favorite part of the job is not really what you'd think. You'd think it's maybe strapping in an airplane and going up and flying - and that's a wonderful opportunity, and I love it absolutely - but really the greatest thing at NASA, and I think most people would agree, is working with the people that we have here.
Because the people that come together with an eagerness to explore and to experiment with things and discover new opportunities and things like that - working side by side with those people is what really gets your heart pumping and makes you excited to come to work each day. So that's what I'd say is my favorite part of the job.
What’s your favorite part of the job?
Yeah, we had to troubleshoot problems pretty much every day. So, we have our tasks that we’re doing every day: a science experiment or some maintenance, but things don’t always go as planned. So that’s one of the really interesting things about science experiments is that sometimes you observe things that are different and that’s how science gets done.
One of the experiments I worked on was actually doing a chemical reaction with some small little pockets of–they’re plastic kind of tubes that contain pockets of water. And we heated the reaction and we noticed that there were bubbles being formed. When we did this reaction on Earth we didn’t have the same thing, so we had no idea was to expect when we did this on board. So we documented this and actually found it to be a really interesting phenomenon. The scientists took that back and that ended up being part of our analysis of the experiment.
Sometimes you’re just troubleshooting equipment because things aren’t working. So I was working on one of the vacuum furnaces one day, and it has these quick disconnects that you can use to supply power or water to the vacuum furnace. And I tried to do one of the quick disconnects and all of a sudden the connection–the valve–stayed full open and there was water spreading everywhere.
So that was some really quick troubleshooting, I had water going in my face and I wasn’t really sure what to do so I closed the thing as quickly as possible, backed off, got the water out of my eyes, and then I called the ground and we did a lot of troubleshooting that day.
Have you ever had to troubleshoot a problem in space?
Yeah, so the human body changes a lot when you're in space. There's things that happen like fluid shifts, since you don't have gravity drawing the fluid down into your legs, all that fluid shifts upwards. And the body can adjust to this, it does this by just getting rid of the excess fluid. When you come back to Earth, however, you're a little bit dehydrated. So one of the things we do is get fluid in right away.
Another thing that's concerning is things like bone loss aor muscle loss, so what we do to prevent most of that on board is actually just work out a lot. We have a device called ARED, which is a Resistive Exercise Device, and we have a whole gym's worth of weight-lifting exercises. We do that, we do running, and we do cycling. And that can counteract most of the muscle loss and the bone loss we see on board. We're really successful in returning astronauts in pretty good health these days.
Is your health affected from being in outer space?