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If only I’d tried to get out sooner…

yes, kaz and everyone else on mother base became infertile in 1984, as a side effect from a measure inhibiting the vocal cord parasite. he also has a daughter named catherine, who seemed to be a child during MG2 in 1999. In reality, this is probably just another inconsistency between the older games and the newer prequels that kojima ignored/forgot/didn’t care about but if we want to play in this narrative space, it probably means either kaz got cucked and KNEW but raised the child anyways, or kaz adopted a kid. both of which are kind of sweet…

enamoured by the percentage of canonically infertile mgs characters

yep!

This is from a MGS4 era database (hence not using the name Kaz, which wasn’t a thing till PW) but this paragraph seems to be about his status in 2005 (MGS1.)

Now that i’m thinking about it, this even being mentioned here is interesting too because that means they were still considering Catherine as canon as recently as MGS4 release, so she was not retconned out at that point.

actually i DO want to talk about catherine miller. here is what we know about catherine: she was Kaz’s daughter, she was a child during MG2 (in 1999) and it is implied in the MGS4 database that she lived with him during MGS1 (in 2005) my guess from her dialogue is that she was 5-8 years old in MG2, putting her birth year around 1991-1994.

but who was her mom? hell, considering kaz was infertile, who was her biological dad? what made him decide to raise her? was he raising her alone or was there a shared custody agreement with her mom? (endlessly fascinated by Kaz Divorce Arc but that’s for another post) did she have a good childhood? was she loved? considering she was living with kaz in 2005 was she the one to find his body? how did she react? (she was only a child) where did she go after? did she ever discover anything about her dad’s past? were there always agents watching her? did she ever meet solid snake? did she ever meet his daughter? did she get to grow up?

i know she was an afterthought character probably meant to be retconned out but i wish i could get my hands on the forbidden catherine lore, if it even existed.

banana soft serve

on the subject of it often being out of character for characters to be having carefully negotiated bdsm sex in smut fics: 90% of metal gear ships are insane toxic yaoi and would definitely be having sex that is neither safe nor sane and only borderline consensual HOWEVER otacon and snavid would be thoroughly negotiating kinks before during and after sex like theyre doing mission briefings on a codec call

born to meet you

yes, based on the fact that it says otacon is jewish, i see strangelove as matrilineally jewish. i think a lot of people use her existence to say oh, him being jewish was retconned out, but who’s to say she wasn’t jewish? jews have lived in the uk for hundreds of years, and she is from the city (manchester) with the second largest jewish population in the country (after london) and besides the fact that she is british and from manchester we know nothing about her family history so there’s literally nothing to say she isn’t jewish.

i do think huey’s side was jewish too, bc i think that was meant to be the implication originally…even if huey is shit representation lol…

obviously none of these characters are religious, they’re all scientists with a bit of a reddit athiest vibe to them, but judaism is an ethnoreligion so you can be jewish without being observant. you can even celebrate holidays and stuff without really believing. i think otacon was raised secular, but jewish enough that he had a very cringe bar mitzvah with a nerdy theme (exact theme tbd, it would have been in 1993 so idk what nerd shit was big then, taking suggestions) because i think that would be funny.

i consider myself the ceo of jewish otacon. i bring a “did you know a 1998 handbook for metal gear solid 1 listed otacon’s ethnicity as jewish american, and while that was never elaborated upon, it was never contradicted either?” vibe to the fandom that is mildly annoying.

actually i DO want to talk about catherine miller. here is what we know about catherine: she was Kaz’s daughter, she was a child during MG2 (in 1999) and it is implied in the MGS4 database that she lived with him during MGS1 (in 2005) my guess from her dialogue is that she was 5-8 years old in MG2, putting her birth year around 1991-1994.

but who was her mom? hell, considering kaz was infertile, who was her biological dad? what made him decide to raise her? was he raising her alone or was there a shared custody agreement with her mom? (endlessly fascinated by Kaz Divorce Arc but that’s for another post) did she have a good childhood? was she loved? considering she was living with kaz in 2005 was she the one to find his body? how did she react? (she was only a child) where did she go after? did she ever discover anything about her dad’s past? were there always agents watching her? did she ever meet solid snake? did she ever meet his daughter? did she get to grow up?

i know she was an afterthought character probably meant to be retconned out but i wish i could get my hands on the forbidden catherine lore, if it even existed.

not which ship you think is the best couple or most canon, vote based on which gives you personally the most brainrot, for whatever reason.

if u want, leave ur answer and reasoning in the tags :3 genuinely want to know ur opinions