Okay, I Know This Is Stupid, But Now I Want To Know If Peter Walks Up To Wade Dressed As Peter Parker

Just A Thought About Cas and Dean's Lack of Interaction

The nice thing about Dean and Cas is that even if they don't interact for long periods of time, their relationship, respect, admiration, and love for each other remains just as strong.  (Note: I am talking about time and distance here... not their actions and consequences) Cas is always thinking about Dean and how he can help him.  Dean asks about Cas and checks up on him a lot.  It's not an "out of sight, out of mind" kind of relationship. 

Not being together and talking all the time doesn't mean that the intensity of their relationship is fading in any way.  Albeit some people are more needy and have to be around the person they love 24/7 or they wilt, but Cas and Dean - in my opinion- are not those kind of people.  

Cas is an angel and he has a sense of duty.  He needs to be doing something to help Heaven or to help Dean.  A lot of times that means leaving Dean alone, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about him any less.  

Dean himself has a lot on his plate and can't tag along with Cas every time he has to go somewhere.  I'm sure he doesn't want to either.  He has his own duties to perform. Even with Sammy.  Dean isn't with Sam all the time either, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't offer up his life and soul for him at the drop of a hat.  

There are some relationships that transcend time and distance.  For example:  I have a friend who I live 3,000 miles from.  We've been best friends for our whole lives.  We check in on each other every so often via text, e-mail, messenger... but we're both very busy people and so it doesn't happen that often.  I see her maybe once every 2 years now, if I'm lucky once a year...  Every time I go back and see her though, it's like nothing changed.  We still love each other to pieces and our relationship is exactly the same even with the time, distance, and sparse communication.   Now while, that's an example of friendship, romantic love can be the same way.  On a sad and morbid note, many people who have lost someone they love, don't cease to love them just because they're gone.  Stuff like that doesn't fade.  The pain may go away, but the love will always be there.  

I believe that Dean and Cas and Dean and Sam have that kind of relationship.  That no matter how much time passes, they'll still love each other.   Sometimes when they finally are able to see each other though, there are more pressing matters at hand than bonding.  Sometimes stuff works out that way.  Again, preoccupation with saving the world or stopping evil doesn't mean that feelings are lost, fading, or dying.  It just means they're busy.  They'll find time for each other and when they do finally get to sit down and interact without immediate concerns, it's usually a wonderful sight.   So please don't worry about any lack of interaction between them!  :) 

I just saw Into the Spiderverse... this movie is just amazing. However, now all I can imagine for every spideypool fic is hot mess!peter parker and his voice. Like I can't even picture any of the other incarnations now, I'm so in love lmao I really hope we get some awesome fanart and fanfic from our community using this version of peter, it'd be so much fun!

Also, if we ever get that spideypool movie we all want, I want it in this animation style. There is so much more that gets communicated through it than live action can. That and it's just so engaging!!

..... and I just love that Spidey Bells song, I friggin' died at "i have a degree in biochemical engineering" I just... sigh... I wanna go back and see it again lol

Jensen's "Homophobia," the JIB Fiasco, and the Future of Destiel

“There wasn’t a whole lot of Dean and Cas storyline in Season 9.  Personally, I kind of enjoy that.  I think the whole Dean and Cas thing has gotten a little out of proportion. But that’s not to say… I think it’s a kindred spirit…  I think Cas finds identity with Dean…  I don’t think there’s anything secret to the relationship even though a lot of people wish there was.  I certainly know that Misha and I don’t play that, so…”

Just reading some of those lines I can see where peoples’ thoughts went.  Probably something like this (correct me if I’m wrong, but these are the exact thoughts that people have had that I’ve seen on the #destiel feed in response to this): “He doesn’t like Dean and Cas scenes!  He was happy that they were apart!  This makes me so sad.  He thinks it’s stupid and out of proportion?  I feel sick and hurt…  Does he think that we’re like that too?  Kindred spirits?!  That’s such a no homo!  It’s because he’s homophobic…  He finally said it.  I wish they had said it sooner so I wouldn’t have to go through all this hurt and pain.  Destiel is sunk.  Goodbye!” Now, I see where everyone is coming from, like I said before we take this seriously.  But I feel sometimes that when conventions come around, we’re so caught up in the marvel of being in their presence that we don’t really listen to what they say (which is hilarious if you think about it, because all we do is analyze their characters to death).  Now look at what he says and really analyze it.  “There wasn’t a whole lot of Dean and Cas storyline in Season 9.”  That is truth.  There wasn’t, in comparison to the last season and compared to the rest of the stuff going on in S9.  I know a lot of us were complaining about this, so what he says is truth here.  But nothing to get upset over.  We already know this bit.  “Personally I kind of enjoy that. I think the whole Dean and Cas thing has gotten a little out of proportion.”  Now this here is his thoughts and opinions on the matter.  This I think is where a lot of people got sad, because the actor doesn’t want their views to come true.  He thinks that the Destiel thing has “gotten a little out of proportion.”  That term “proportion” is the key word that tells us that he is not being homophobic.  Proportion insinuates that there is a balance, something is proportionate.  There needs to be a balance in everything including the Destiel ship.  I think when he refers to it being out of balance, he is NOT referring to people shipping it in general.  He is NOT referring to the fanart or fanfics.  I DO believe he is referring to the fact that people are so protective over it that they are willing to send hate mail and cyber bully actors, writers, directors, and even executives over it.  And I do agree with that.  Cyber bullying is NOT okay.  No form of bullying is.  I think he feels comforted and relieved that on the show there is less fodder to provide fans with.  He’s hoping that the intensity of the ship dies down a little so everyone doesn’t feel like they are- to quote Misha- “walking on eggshells.”  That gets tiring.  They don’t want to upset any of us.  But we get upset when we are not told what’s going on...  But we ALSO get upset when we are told what is going on.  They can’t win with us.  We don’t let them.  And that’s stressful to a show that actually tries it’s best to cater to the fans and who actually LIKE us (from what we can tell… I mean what other show has so many actors that treat us like people?).  He also laughs while he says this in the video (watch the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGb86J2iXQs).  He doesn’t sound disgusted.  He doesn’t sound like he thinks it’s a bad thing.  It sounds like he thinks it’s a bit ridiculous… you know… this huge positive and slightly intimidating reaction to the relationship that was never meant to happen in the first place?  He realizes how it sounds though when he finishes what he says and because he doesn’t want to upset anyone, he tries his best to be respectful and says:  “But that’s not to say… I think it’s a kindred spirit…  I think Cas finds identity with Dean…”  This again is his opinion.  He’s not saying that Cas and Dean don’t have a bond.  But he believes that bond to be less sexual and more kindred spirit.  Now, go look up synonyms for kindred spirit… Right now.  I’ll wait for you to come back. Find them?  Good.  THAT is HUGE!!!  Essentially he says that what Dean and Cas have is an alter ego, a confidante, a companion, a friend, a “heart’s desire,” a help mate, a kindred soul, a lover, one’s promised, a partner, a true love, a soul mate.  And for me, when I watched the video and saw that he said this, I was SO EXCITED.  This is how I’ve always viewed Dean and Cas.  Soul mates.  Someone to be with forever, who get each other, and support each other.  I feel that this is more beautiful than sex or romance.  Cas also does find identity with Dean.  Look at all the things he’s adopted that Dean likes and does.  But don’t you also idolize the one you connect with most?  I sure do.  My husband is amazing and while I have my own stuff, I do admire him as much as he admires me and we sometimes adopt each other’s likes and habits.

And if you believe this, then what he says next makes all the more sense.  “I don’t think there’s anything secret to the relationship even though a lot of people wish there was.  I certainly know that Misha and I don’t play that, so…”  There ISN’T anything secret to it.  We already know Cas loves Dean and Dean loves Cas.  That they would do anything for each other.  That they would die for each other.  That they are kindred spirits.  This isn’t secret.  The secret he is referring to, I believe, is the sex and the romance aspect that “a lot of people wish there was.”  Dean’s never been one for romance and for him to have a secret romance with Cas I feel and I think he also feels would be OOC.  It’s the same reason that the “I love you” was taken out.  It’s not a no homo.  It’s keeping him in character.  Dean, I think (maybe if I’m remembering correctly) said “I love you” to Sam once.  Once!  Sammy, the person he cares for most in this world he has said it to ONCE (if that).  It’s not Dean’s style to say he loves people.  He just shows it by trying to keep them safe, by sacrificing his own needs for theirs.  So romance for Dean is not something that I’ve ever seen happening.  I mean, even with Lisa and Cassie?  He was never mushy or gushy with them.  So why would he be with anyone else?  Canonically he did love them.  Being romantic is just not who Dean is.  Dean is not good at the “love and… love” thing.  He said so himself.  That doesn’t mean he’s not a romantic at heart or that he does not love.  Just that he’s not the type to express it.   The sexual thing…  Dean has had one hook up recently and before that he didn’t have anyone for like a few seasons.  Dean is pretty much done with sex.  He’s done the do and it’s getting old when there is always the “adios.”  So what he’s saying is there is no secret romance or sex life between them, not that there isn’t love.  He’s not looking for sex.  He’s not looking for romance.  Dean is looking for someone to just be at his side.  A kindred spirit.  And that’s not secret.  Side note: notice that he says “a lot of people.”  He’s acknowledging that Destiel shippers are not a small part of the fandom.  He knows there’s a lot of us out there.    And as far as him and Misha not playing their relationship like that?  I believe he’s referring to the fact that he’s not playing like Dean has secret sex and snuggle time with Cas.  He’s referring to the fact that he’s not playing Dean as wanting to bang or cuddle with Cas at all (because like I said… Dean isn’t looking for sex or romance… he’s looking for his soul mate).  That doesn’t mean he doesn’t play Dean as loving Cas and having a special bond with him.  Now in reference to when they take things out like the “I love you” and the naked Deans… I don’t see this as them being “no homo.”  It was written there.  They wanted to go for it! This to me seems like a case where the writers are eager to give us something that we want (because they love us) and the actors are trying to keep their characters, in character about it.  I think this is what Jared meant when he said, “We didn’t want to make the episode seem like it was… like we’re hinting towards something.  Because that would have ruined the show to make it about something it wasn’t about.”  Now this can definitely be taken as “he thinks gay relationships would ruin the show.”  But again that’s not how I see what he meant.  Putting pictures of naked Dean would have hinted to us that Cas was sexually attracted to Dean and that Cas and Deans’ relationship was going to be a large part of the show.  Cas is in love with Dean, but we haven’t seen anything saying he was sexually attracted (yet).  And they didn’t want to lead us on about how big a part their relationship is in the show so they cut it.  I mean wouldn’t you be upset if you got that scene and then the rest was downplayed, because there’s just not enough room in the show to really expand on that?  Cas isn’t looking for sex either.  He’s not looking for romance just like Dean.  He’s just looking for Dean himself.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Personally, I don’t think they’re setting Dean up for a romance with Cas…  I think they’re setting them up to be soul mates.  Soul mates don’t have to have sex or hold hands to be in love.  They don’t need that because their love is stronger than physical affection.   Most importantly, and I feel a lot of people miss this… is that physical affection isn’t something that either of them need.  Their needs as individuals are not physical…  They’re emotional.  They’ve always been emotional needs.  Emotional can be physical, but what they are looking for is someone who accepts them and loves them unconditionally.  Someone to be with them forever.  Dean doesn’t do romance and Cas doesn’t know how.  So they show each other their love in manly gruff ways of sacrifice and sharing pieces of their lives.  And that’s how they best fill each other’s voids.  It’s not the same way that we usually show love, but this is the best most in character way the actors feel that Dean and Cas would show.      

Now that bit about ruining the show?  He’s not saying that Destiel would ruin the show because they’re gay.  He’s saying that it would ruin the show, because their relationship is not what the show is about.  It’s a small part of a bigger picture.  I can’t say the show is about two brothers’ anymore.  It’s more than that.  It’s about saving people, hunting things, free will, survival, and finding happiness somewhere in the middle of that.  So Dean and Cas’ relationship is a very small part of a larger picture, even though it is there.  They still find times to throw us hints now and again when they can, but by throwing out huge hints to it would make the show into something it’s not… the “Will-They-Won’t-They Dean and Cas show.”  Or just the “Dean and Cas Show” if they ever went through with it.  To bring them together and do their relationship justice, they would have to do character development based on their relationship after it was made canon and again… there’s just not time in the show for that.  It would have to be something small, sweet, background, and soulful… kind of like what we’ve been getting in S8 and parts of S9 and I'm guessing in S10. WE WOULD LOVE A DEAN AND CAS SHOW and if we got everything that we wanted (declaration of love, kiss, dates, consummation, etc), that’s what it would be and that’s not what Supernatural is.  So they give us small bits here and there, but ultimately that’s all they can do for now if they want to be true to the show’s purpose... ...To kill things (including our favorite characters).  lol 

And again, to clarify.  I AM NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION ON ANYTHING.  I am stating what my thoughts, opinions, and beliefs on this matter are.  I am sharing, not dictating or telling people what to do.  I will offer the notion to stay positive and love yourself and treasure what you believe in, because that’s really what matters but it’s up to you to do what you will with that.  I think we’re a stellar community who sometimes fights like family does, but overall love each other and I feel that we should support one another… especially those that have fostered this fandom to begin with:  the creators, writers, cast, and crew of Supernatural. 

Congrats if you got to the end of this!  It was 10 pages long and I hope that if you were feeling down about anything that was said that maybe this made you feel at least a tad bit better?  :)   If not, I gives you a cyber cookie.  They’re delicious.  Just take a byte and imagine how delicious it is!  Okay I’m done being corny.  Anyways, I hope all of you feel better and try not to take things too hard.  You’re wonderful people and don’t let anyone convince you differently!!  

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S10 Carry On

I will scream if S10′s recap has that scene from ep. 200 where the girl was reminding the boys of “Oh that’s John Winchester’s other son Adam.  He’s still stuck in the Cage in Hell.  With Lucifer.”  It would mean Adam might come back!! ... Possibly Lucifer too? :) Prooooobably won’t happen, but it would make me happy!

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Cas and Sleeping With a Women

I personally think it's important for Cas to explore with this chick.  We know that he's mentioned that he is indifferent to sexual orientation as an angel, but now as a human I think that in order for him to develop as a character he does need to explore this sexuality in all manners.

One issue is if the writers had him sleep only with Dean then he would be perceived by a lot of the general audience as gay (which they already think of him as the "gay angel", but that's besides the point), but it's not true based off of what he has said about sexual orientation. He is indifferent to it and that needs to be reiterated especially to those who don't keep track of everything Cas says the way we do.    :)

Another issue is that Cas is newly human and he hasn't seen Dean while he's been completely human before.  To say that as soon as Cas sees Dean as human he wants to suddenly jump his bones is a little too much new info to dish out.  Has he shown interest in sex before?  Yes, but having a boner and kissing someone because you saw how it was done on TV is different than actually experiencing the act of sex for yourself actively participating in it.  

The writers have to introduce the idea of Cas as a new sexual being and then introduce the idea of him with Dean, which means that Cas and Dean aren't a thing in the first part of the equation.  They can't be for the story of them getting together to be worthy of their story up until now.  So for now we get part 1 where Cas finally has sex, explores that route.

Then he can make more connections based off of how he has felt.  Like "Oh...  this is how I felt when I did this with that girl... Oh.... I feel this way about Dean... Ooooooooooooh"  

Otherwise he'd be confused about what he is feeling.  Remember this is all new to him and what he feels for Dean he may not fully get the implications of unless he experiences something similar to someone else and can compare and contrast them.  

...... and to be frankly honest if he ended up sleeping with Dean first he would never get the chance to explore that other side to him (   =P  ), he would forever be curious as to what would that be like?  His curiosity could lead to infidelity and a road I know the fandom would throw a fit over.

Anyways, just my personal thoughts on the topic.  There's more to it, but that's just the basics as I have to go to work now.  Cas being with a girl first isn't going to be the end of Destiel, I promise.  But it could in fact even be a jump shoot to it :)  Stay positive everyone!

Why Did They Take Out the Naked Deans From Cas' Fake Heaven?

This is my wishful thinking/speculation that the reason they took the Dean pictures out of Cas' personal fake heaven was because it would basically confirm outright with no ability to see around it that Cas is IN LOVE with Dean and maybe they want to save that confirmation for tonights' finale to be even more dramatic and because if they're going to do this they want to do it big (no pun intended) and right? :3  Please Please Please Please PLEASE!!!  ::wishful thinking::

How I Got Started Into Destiel and Where It's Headed

Sorry, yet another long piece, but I feel it needs to be said.  I apologize as my thoughts tend to jump around a lot when I do these and sometimes it can be a bit confusing.  

Just to clarify, I am not hating on ANYONE and these thoughts are my opinions so you don't have to take anything I say to heart if it doesn't coincide with your belief.  

I hope though that it may bring a little peace and calm about recent events to at least a few.  :)  

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I have been watching Supernatural since episode 1 of season 1 aired.  

I am also a Destiel shipper.  It took me a while to actually see it though.  

I was in the middle of season 6 when I found out that shipping Dean and Cas together was actually a thing.  I honestly had never even thought of them as a pairing.  They seemed too platonic at the time and I didn't really get it, but I'm the type of person that doesn't care what people ship as long as they love their ship.

I ended up looking it up, curiosity getting the better of me, to see why people were shipping these two.  What was the driving force?  Looking at a few things I started to think,"Oh, okay.  I guess I can kinda see how they could ship that."  

It was a fun ship though and so I dabbled in it a bit and then read some meta on everything and decided to ship it.  I liked it, they were cute, you could kinda reason that they might be in love.

Season 7 rolled around and I was like "Haha, that was definitely a shout out...  Too funny!" for some of it.  They were showing their fans that they do listen to what they say, even if they can't give them it 100% what they want.  I appreciate it when they do that.  They are trying.

But I honestly really didn't see it with these two until it was brought to my attention, which is probably how most of the audience has been.  Not everyone who watches t.v. picks apart every little thing that is thrown in like sharp and avid fans do (this is meant as a compliment).  Most, like myself, just take the obvious and roll with it.

Then season 8 rolled around... and I kinda stopped myself and was like... "Are they?"  

The writers and actors kind of toed the line a bit more obviously.  Something in season 8 had switched from the previous seasons concerning Dean and Cas.  This is where a lot more people, especially casual watchers took notice.  

I've been interested to see how far they would push it and watching the beginning of season 9, they are basically giving us a fanfic with these two.  

Dean giving a heartfelt prayer to Cas and saying "I need you here"?  Cas getting stabbed just as Dean comes to rescue him, Dean breaking after realizing he was too late, his relief when Cas is alive again?  How HAPPY Dean is that Cas is in the bunker with them?  When was the last time that you saw Dean really smile so joyously as Cas being in the bunker, conversing, safe, and with him?  Then to throw even more drama into their relationship, having Dean lie to Cas and make him leave?  

This is like that part in a fic where you want to stop reading because it hurts too much, but you keep going because you KNOW it's going to get resolved after much heartache (unless this is a death fic).

Now a lot of people are upset about this, but this is what we've been asking for really.  

We want more Destiel action.  We can't have a Destiel arc without some drama between the two of them.  Do you know how guilty Dean is going to feel?  How badly he's going to be pining for Cas to come back?  He FINALLY had Cas where he could just STAY and now he has to be the one to make him leave.  

If you think that this is the writers trying to break their relationship apart for good, then I must ask where you all dropped those wonderful insights of yours?  The ones that were able to see where all this was headed WAY before people such as myself?  If you can't see that this is the way that Dean and Cas's relationship is going to grow stronger, I don't know what to tell you.  

Just because Destiel is not canon and has never been canon, does not mean that it doesn't exist or that it won't.  Doesn't mean we shouldn't stop shipping it.  

How many of your ships have actually been canon?  Quite a few have not been I'm sure if you're like me.  

Does that mean that we stop shipping them?  No! 

Even if they gain a love interest?  Hell No!!

Because when you ship a ship, you see it for what it is.  No one can convince you otherwise if that's what you believe in.  

I choose to believe in Dean and Castiel's relationship, whether it be canon or not.  I believe it is there.  I believe it is strong.  I believe nothing will be able to keep them apart.  

The truth however, about Destiel, is that it was never intended to exist.  When this show was created Castiel most likely wasn't even a concept.  This story originally started with 2 brothers killing things.  Now this story is about those 2 brothers and their adopted family killing things.

So where then, do I think this show is heading with Dean and Cas?  Definitely not the route that has everyone upset.

9x03 actually made me hopeful about their relationship.  Whether or not the writers make it canon romance, they are showing us, by setting us up for a typical "break up and make up" with these two that they have no intentions of destroying this beautiful relationship.  They are acknowledging that there is a bond there.

I'm not positive that Dean and Cas will ever have that fluffy romance that everyone dreams of.  Their lives are not built for that and that kind of relationship never seems to last in this show.  And again, Dean doesn't do that "love... and love thing."  

But what I am seeing the set up for is for Cas to basically be initiated as the 3rd Winchester brother.  (Which is basically the best Team Free Will thing ever!)

The one thing that bothers me slightly about this approach though is how close Dean and Cas are compared to how close Cas and Sam are.  They are friends definitely and they would die for each other, but Dean and Cas... are close on a whole other level.  It IS different between these two and I feel this is where there is a problem.

I don't think Cas CAN become a Winchester BROTHER.  

Cas is different to Dean than anything.  Dean does not treat Cas like Sam, like Bobby, like Ellen or Jo, like Garth, like John or Mary, like Lisa or Ben, or any of their other random hunting buddies.  Cas... is Cas.  

"He's Cas."

Cas is family.  But he doesn't have a title.  He CAN'T have a title, because Dean doesn't do romance and Cas doesn't fit anything else.  I think that Sam gets that.  It's almost like Cas is Sam's brother and Cas is Dean's something undefined.  

Despite the fact that I feel Dean and Cas have something going on, I don't think Destiel will become canon in the sense that many of us want to see (it might, who knows).  The reason why?  Destiel isn't pertinent to the story right now.  

#1 Cas is newly human.  He definitely has a lot to figure out before jumping head first into a relationship where he most likely doesn't even understand feelings.  Most of us suck at relationships and we've had years to practice feelings.

#2 It's kind of hard to worry about your love life when there are angels on your ass and Abaddon in your face.  They have bigger fish to fry right now.

If the way to save the day was for Dean to admit his feelings to Cas?  Then we can say that Destiel is pertinent to the plot.  Or if this was a soap opera where relationships are the driving point of the show?  Then we can say that Destiel could be pertinent to the plot.  

But the writers have already done the "gay love love can pierce through the veil of death" thing and while Supernatural IS a love story, it is not a soap opera.  

That doesn't mean that Destiel will never happen, because if you're like me... you already believe it has.  

I mean look at all the evidence you've all compiled!  Look at all the people that are starting to notice!  Look how many polls you've won and how many shippers there are!

There IS something there between Dean and Cas and we don't need anyone to confirm what we know is there.  We can SEE it.  It's there and I think we find it wonderful just the way it is.  So even if we don't get to see an "onscreen kiss" we can be happy that our ship is one of the most beautiful love stories ever told. AND we didn't even need them to have kiss or have sex to prove it! :)  

And man if we want porn or fluff!.... Well... that's what we invented fan fiction for right?

So relax.  Destiel is not dead.  It is not sinking.  It's just that terrible time of anguish before their relationship gets even stronger and becomes more difficult to deny.  

Show your support for the writers, actors, and crew!  They put SO much effort into trying for us.  They have such limited time on episodes to put everything they'd like to in.  

So when they give us a Destiel moment, let's take it and run with it!  Because they thought we were important enough to find time in their tight timeline to try and give us a little of what we want even if it's not ALL we want.

Love the crew.

Love yourself.

Love your ship.

Love Supernatural.

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Don't Ever Stop Trying In Everlasting Love (DESTIEL)