getting the hang of it
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RB for the largest sample size this site has ever seen. it's time to put an end to this.
Step 1 - Identify the thought and if possible, why you’re having it.
The first step to challenging a thought is to identify it. If it’s helpful to you, consider writing it out.
Example 1: My friend doesn’t want to be friends anymore. I think this because we usually talk a lot more and lately they’ve been quieter.
Example 2: I’m a failure and can’t do anything. I think this because I messed up and got a bad grade.
Step 2 - Look for exceptions
This involves looking out for similar situations that had ended differently than is being assumed.
Example 1: This has happened before, and it turned out that they were busier than usual with final exams.
Example 2: When my friends get bad grades, I never think they are a failure.
Step 3 - Find evidence to the contrary
Example 1: Last week, she told me how important I was to her and that she missed me.
Example 2: I’ve done a lot of things successfully. I helped a friend through a breakdown yesterday. I got a good grade on another assignment. I passed my drivers test.
Step 4 - Replace it with an alternate thought
When it comes to an alternate thought, if you can put a positive spin on it that’s great. But I find that hard, so I try and find a neutral thought.
Example 1: It’s likely my friend has something going on and she will reach out to me when she’s ready.
Example 2: Failing one assignment doesn’t make me a failure. I’m not defined by any one thing.
this would also be able to tie in with the guessable age of papyrus (his username on his computer being CoolSkeleton95- possibly alluding to his birth(?) year in the 2X95 BEFORE frisks falling) as well as napstablook's being Napstablook22 being date of birth OR death very much prior to frisk's falling, yet they don't seem to clue on about frisk being human either.
Do you have a timeline for when you believe the humans fell underground (including Chara + Frisk)?
Well not necessarily anything specific. just a few things that mark some VERY wide margings for what i have in mind
Chara fell in 201X, as per the calendar with the circled date.
This was after the Dreemurrs (and thus monsterkind in tow) already left Home to explore the rest of the mountain and settled in New Home. This is deduced by the wall writings in Waterfall, which bemoan the underground's inaccessibility, saying there's no way a human could ever make its way down there.
So New Home already existed (or was soon going to be founded, if the plaques were written while the monsters were still exploring) before any human had fallen into the Underground at all.
However! The childhood room in Home is referred to as Asriel's room in both the game files and in the art book (the screenshot is from the Home segment of the book)
Which would mean Asriel was born close enough in time to the monsters' banishment to be alive when they migrated further into the caverns (and to already have personal interests, like astronomy), and that he was likely snooping around his previous home in the RUINs by chance when he found Chara.
I think Chara spent a LOT of time with the Dreemurrs... but less so chronologically. They likely had reset powers like all humans who fall into the Underground as a consequence of their high DT (from the Undertale Legends of Localization book):
(I actually think this was the intended implication with their inappropriately light approach to death and pain, ie: laughing in that one videotape about making Asgore sick), so I like to think that, while they obviously stuck around for a long time, they techincally were only with the Dreemurrs for 1, maybe 2 linear years. Which would explain why they seem... hesitant to call them their child/sibling. From their perspective, it was too soon for those words at the time. Either that or Chara was uncomfortable with familiar terms for whatever reason. I tend to ping-pong between the two.
Chara dies and so does Asriel -> Asgore cringe comp -> Toriel bails.... And then bam, the next humans start falling down.
l think the entire affair took centuries in total. Surely a lot of time, enough for most commonplace monsters to have no idea what a human looks like
At LEAST one century, that is, but that is the barest minimum. There's this one line in the date with Sans at MTT resort when he's talking about his first meeting with Toriel:
Now I'm not saying Sans is aware of what's going on or that this makes incanon sense, but knowing UT's propensity for tragically poetic irony, this feels like one of those occasions.
I in my personal chronology, the humans fell either 1 or 2 per century, putting Toriel's exile between 300 and 600 years long.
The order? uhhhhh. dw about it
Thus, Frisk falls down in 2X15. Monsters are freed, everyone is happy. Yay yayay ^_^ yippee. The End.
Doing more than one? Choose whichever you found the most helpful. ❤️
tbh I could've sworn this happened in english too. when they were doing the painting bit I was pretty sure I heard Laios say "she"
I think the world should know that in the Spanish dub Laios uses both she/her and he/him pronouns for Thistle in the latest dungeon meshi episode. Thank you once again Spanish dub.