Bonnie only dated Ron at those times so she could benefit from his wealth and dumped him as soon as he was robbed. Also Bonnie was on the rebound and only flirted with Ron so that she could get back at Kim.
I never said her reasons for dating him had to do with liking him, I just said she was supportive.
Ron's upset that someone got him adult lettuce instead of baby lettuce? Clearly, they need to do their job better.
(Also, there is a difference; baby lettuce has more nutrients. So if someone had an exotic rodent to feed, the difference would be important.)
Ron wants to buy impractically large jewelry? No problem, it's his money, after all.
Calls himself "The Ron"? Okay, takes an adjustment, but no problem.
Ron wants to go to the re-opening of J. P. Bearymore's? No big deal, it makes him happy.
Though her reasons for dating him weren't actually finding him attractive, she chose not to criticize and judge him the times they were dating.
Also, her flirting with Ron, shockingly, had nothing to do with getting back at Kim. It was entirely because she was on the rebound and Ron happened to win Homecoming King. Honestly, she probably would've done that no matter who won, but it wouldn't have been dramatic if it had been anyone other than Ron.
Starting off with a quick definition: tonal dissonance is when there is a sudden, jarring shift in the overall tone of the show, movie, book, etc.
And it's the biggest reason I can't stand Rainbow World.
Every episode up to that point was about the adventures of teenagers at an elite arts high school that was also a boarding school.
And that was the concept that originally appealed to people.
And then, we have Rainbow World.
Now the show is about the whacky adventures of high schoolers in a magical world where they have cute pets made of crystal and magical missions to help people.
Not a terrible concept, but after four seasons of the show going one way, I'm not interested in suddenly changing the overall tone and premise of the series.
Rainbow World is such a different idea, it would've been better off as a different series.
And, honestly, the way it was introduced doesn't help either.
But that's for a different post.
Regardless of my feelings on Kim/Ron, I think the show could've done a better job of portraying them as having feelings for each other.
In "Grudge Match" Kim mocks and insults Ron for even suggesting that people might think they date. This does not indicate that she's secretly crushing on him.
In "Emotion Sickness" Ron is uncomfortable with the idea of dating Kim. This does not indicate that he's secretly crushing on her.
In "Bad Boy" Kim suggests Ron take a date to Rueben's wedding, but gets uncomfortable when he asks her to go. They both agree that it's not a "date-date".
(I will give them props, Kim and Ron's conversation about the main characters of Agony County getting together was a nice lampshade.)
I will admit that Kim was jealous of Yori in "Gorilla Fist", and her conversation with Ron about Yori crushing on him could be a nice parallel to Kim's situation.
However, Kim was also jealous of Felix in "Steal Wheels", so it's not like she has to consider someone to be romantic rival to be jealous of them.
Ron is never shown to have issues with Kim dating, even attempting to help Kim with Josh.
And, though she doesn't seem to think highly of Ron, she doesn't have a problem with Ron dating.
Before "So The Drama" there wasn't a lot to indicate that they were attracted to each other.
Actually, there was more to indicate that they only see each other as friends than that they were secretly attracted to each other.
In "So The Drama" we get a lot of Ron pining over Kim, but only one line near the beginning that might indicate Kim is also pining over Ron.
And then, there's Eric.
Eric was perfect for Kim, and she begins to ignore Ron because of him.
This prompts Ron to realize his feelings for Kim, but he doesn't act on them until after Eric is revealed to be part of Drakken's plan.
Which is another problem; Eric was part of Drakken's plan.
Aside from one line at the beginning, there wasn't much to indicate that Kim was crushing on Ron. So having her date him after it's revealed that Eric was part of Drakken's plan makes it seem like Ron's the rebound.
Honestly, having two people end up together because the alternate love interest was no longer an option is kind of lazy writing.
(Granted, they hadn't been expecting the show to continue after this, so I'm not too surprised.)
Still, Kim ended up with Ron not because he was the better option but because he was the only option.
And that's just unfair to both of them.
I’ll agree that is usually Ron who is a more dynamic character and he is usually the one one who seems to put more effort/is more invested into their relationship, (but this can be easily explained by S4 focusing more on him) but a lot of the things you are complaining about are just a result of judging a cartoon by real world standard and taking it far too seriously.
All of the points you brought up were just scenes that are meant to establish the plot of the episodes or show the changes the characters were going through, like the coupon scene was to establish Kim and Ron needed jobs.
And Kim expressing she wanted something different for their next date isn’t bad, she is communicating her needs and that’s a good trait in any relationship.
I'm aware they're scenes that were brought up to establish plot.
What's your point?
Maybe I am taking a cartoon too seriously, but that's my perogative.
If it bothers you, you don't have to follow me or see my posts. I'm not going to force you, or even hate you if you decide that my blog is not something you'd like to see regularly.
It's not for everybody, and I don't blame people who decide this isn't for them.
Yes, Kim expressing she wanted something different for their next date is good. My biggest complaint, and that's on me for not making it clear, is that when Ron did provide her with something new, she pouted and moped.
At a ceremony Ron's dad was being honored at.
It might not have been the most exciting thing ever, and I could understand the disappointment, but for an almost-adult, pouting and moping is kind of immature behavior.
Her sarcastic comment of "Yep, real exciting" also wasn't necessary.
Ultimately, it's not bad the she wants something new, it's bad that she doesn't offer specific ideas but complains about what Ron arranged anyways.
I understand that most of what I complain about is meant to establish the plot of the episode. I just think there were better ways to do that.
The coupon scene: there could have been other ways of establishing Kim and Ron wanting and/or needing jobs.
For example:
They're seniors who want a bit more independence and spending money than their allowances can provide.
Kim's saving up for a car and Ron's saving up for a new scooter.
They're both hoping to put extra money in their college funds.
Kim might want new clothes and Ron might want a new gaming system.
Kim wanted the employee discount at Club Banana and Ron wanted the employee discount at the places he applied to.
Any combination of the above.
There are definitely other scenarios in which they'd want and/or need jobs.
Kim complaining about Ron using coupons for their dates, despite not financially contributing to them herself, didn't have to be one of them.
Starting off with a fun fact: Will's original concept was Ken Du, who was just as capable as Kim. They had a rivalry with each other, but also a bit of a romance. Concept art had him looking just like Hirotaka.
So, honestly, the idea of Kim having an actual rival in saving the world is so interesting. Unfortunately, Will doesn't measure up to Kim.
Or, he's not supposed to.
But he's the top agent at Global Justice for a reason, so there's probably more to his mistakes on the mission than being incompetent.
The first thing we learn about Will is that he doesn't want to work with an amateur. He finds it insulting that he's being asked.
Instead of it being snobbery or an insult to Kim's abilities, it could just as easily be that he wanted to get the job done without having to teach someone else to do it, and was insulted that they wanted to waste his time by making him teach someone to do the job.
I mean, I don't know how it works in the world of espionage, but in every job I had, if someone of high rank was being asked to work with a new recruit or potential recruit, it's because they were expected to teach them or determine if they'd be good for the job.
(Also, Kim needs to not take being called an amateur so personally. She never even fought an actual bad guy until "Tick-Tick-Tick", which was less than two months ago at this point. She is definitely skilled, but she is technically an amateur.)
And Kim is someone who said, to Dr. Director's face, that she's wrong about why someone would kidnap Professor Green because "you can learn everything he knows at the library."
(Honestly, odds are that wasn't true. This is the era where computers were still boxes, Wikileaks didn't exist yet, and only nerds spent a lot of time online anyways. There were still projects from WWII that were classified, so it's doubtful that everything Professor Green worked on was declassified.)
Will Du and Global Justice assume Professor Green had been kidnapped for his weapons knowledge. Even if that wasn't why he was kidnapped, they still have an interest in making sure none of his weapons knowledge got out anyways.
But Kim keeps insisting that the trained professionals who do this for a living are wrong.
It must be really frustrating for Will.
(Just because Kim was right doesn't mean she has to be a know-it-all.)
There's also the fact that Global Justice had only asked Kim on the mission, but she brought Ron and Rufus along anyways, meaning in addition to ensuring Kim's safety, Will also has to ensure the safety of a civilian and his pet, who should not have been there in the first place.
Despite Will having an entire database of verified information on his wrist, Kim insists on going to a den of criminal activity to talk to some crime boss for information, despite being unable to prove the information would be correct or helpful.
(And does not tell Will ahead of time where they're going, denying him any ability to refuse to go or offer an alternative.)
Sure, it got the job done, but Will no doubt has procedures, rules, and regulations to follow, along with a list of things that he shouldn't do, and using unverified, known-criminal sources for information is probably one of them.
Will has to ensure the safety of an amateur that charges into things without talking to others, and the civilian and rodent she dragged along who shouldn't be there.
Will has to follow rules and procedures that Kim doesn't think about and likely wouldn't respect anyways.
Will has a database of useful and verified information, but Kim insists on using sources like Big Daddy Brotherson.
Kim went into the mission with an "I know better" attitude, already believing she was better than the professionals who do this for a living.
So, while Will is probably actually extremely competent, he was also off of his game because his style doesn’t mesh well with Kim’s at all.
And he would have been an interesting recurring character, but the creators decided not to give Kim an actual rival in saving the world, for some reason, so we never see Will again.
(I like to imagine he specifically requested to never work with Kim again, so Global Justice only contacts Kim for things that Kim would be better suited for, or when they were studying The Ron Factor.)
So, Will could have been a very interesting character, someone to serve as an actual rival to Kim when it comes to saving the world.
Sadly, his potential was wasted by turning him into a seemingly incompetent agent.
And that's just sad.
Will doesn't seem to be very experienced with combat. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it just leads me to a certain conclusion about him:
He wasn't trained for combat.
Global Justice's top agent would be very skilled at whatever they needed him to be good at, but combat doesn't seem to be one of his skills.
So it's very likely Global Justice probably didn't need him for combat. His skills probably lie more in intelligence gathering and espionage, which requires more stealth and diplomacy than fighting
And it certainly never involved fighting villains like Kim's.
Thus, Will is not incompetent, he's just not suited for combat against supervillains with gimmicks.
You have a lot of gripes about Kim as a character? What about Ron though? Do you think they handled his character better then the rest?
Oh, good question! Yes, and no.
No because Ron is portrayed as a loser and a freak, the butt of many jokes within the series.
And so many people, females included, find themselves relating to Ron more than Kim, so it's a little bit insulting that the character most like them was the "loser" of the show.
And yes, because Ron actually got more character development than Kim.
And, while Ron has been known to be selfish at times, it doesn't usually cause harm to others.
There was "Ill Suited" where he stole Kim's battle suit to join the football team, but he had no way of knowing he could be putting others in danger as he had no idea Dementor was after the suit or had a way to control it.
And Kim called him out for it.
Whenever Ron is behaving badly, neither Kim nor the narrative will hesitate to call him out on it.
Most often, Ron puts Kim's interests before his own. And he certainly treats Kim better than she treats him.
So, Ron is treated as a joke, and often puts Kim's needs ahead of his own. When he behaves badly, he is called out on it. And for this reason, I think he was handled both better and worse than Kim
I’m always wondering if it was better or worse for BBT and Young Sheldon creators to say that Sheldon is NOT on the spectrum. But then I see how they treat neurodivergence on shows like Miraculous, and go probably better they keep away from stuff they don’t understand.
I suspect what happened with Sheldon’s character is that they probably modeled him after people they either didn’t know or didn’t care were on the spectrum and by the time everyone was like “hey this guy is obviously autistic” they’d made fun of him too many times to suddenly claim being pioneers of sitcom neurodivergent representation without also having to accept responsibility for their past attitudes towards him
I do, however, think the red itchy sweater episode was fantastic in delivering a message regarding some forms of neurosis
As for ML, it is, at its core, a tell don’t show series. These characters are in love, are close friends, are good at X and Y, are passionate about this and that, hate Z, so on and so forth. We rarely learn about characters and happenstances through actions, to the point where very clear irrefutable events are verbally retconned by random characters and we’re supposed to accept what they say as canon over what we saw. It doesn’t matter if characters are noticeably queer, neurodivergent, good/bad at something, biased about certain people/subjects, struggling with XYZ, etc. If someone doesn’t outright state it, it isn’t canon. This is where the crew loves to claim brownie points for representation but doesn’t actually do anything that might upset the Suits and their bigotry. They have an ethnically diverse character lineup but they’re all perfectly assimilated to white french culture and rarely acknowledge their own supposed heritage. They criticize police abuse but have the victims apologize to their assailants. They have queer characters but their relationships are mostly implied off-screen so they have plausible deniability. They have kids whose parents are clearly mistreating them to the point of leaving lifelong scars and affecting their ability to become functional members of society but it’s obviously not abuse.
I swear there’s some kind of disconnect between the dialogue and the action lines on the script, like no one member of the crew knows what the other is doing and everything is just taped together at the end with no revisions
I've rewatched the show more recently and noticed some new details, so I've decided to redo my first post on this blog.
Kim is known for saving the world and helping people with things like park cleanups and cats stuck in trees.
But she is also known to put her own desires before her friends, even if it causes them harm.
And that is not something a good person does.
These are not "mistakes" because Kim is doing them intentionally.
And it's not a one-time thing:
Kim forges an application in Ron’s name before she even brings up the idea of working there to him.
When he's upset with her for doing that, she uses the puppy dog pout, which he explicitly states she knows he can't resist, to get him to take the job.
She refuses to be supportive of him or happy for him when he turns out to be good at it, to the point of refusing to do the job at all.
I will give Kim credit for apologizing for her jealousy, but she never apologizes for manipulating him to take the job in the first place.
She forces Ron into a haircut, despite the fact that even her own mother had reservations about it.
When Ron tells her he hates it and why, she feigns sympathy, steals his hat, and runs through the halls yelling that he got a new haircut.
When Ron starts to embrace the new haircut and becomes popular, she hates it. But despite his popularity, he's not a jerk.
He didn't abandon Rufus, Rufus wandered off and Ron gently chastised him for it.
She was only upset because Ron was starting to change into someone who cared about hair care and appearances.
(Which, if that wasn't her goal with the new haircut, then what was her goal?)
She apologizes for saying Ron needed a new haircut, but not for the lengths she went to to force him into one, nor for her contempt for him after he started to embrace the haircut.
At the end, she tries to tell him that it's what's on the inside that counts, but it's very hypocritical since she was the one who wanted him to change in the first place.
Kim locks Ron in the janitor closet, though semi-unintentionally; she wasn't intending to lock him in there, but she did shove him back in when he was trying to leave.
She ignores Wade’s attempts at reaching her, even though Wade never contacts her unless it’s important.
(I will give Kim some leeway here, as a teenage girl deserves one night to herself.)
She also expressed no concern at Ron being missing, nor does she seem to even notice he's missing.
We also have no idea how long Ron spent in that closet, but even just an hour is too long.
(Also, that is a really big janitor's closet. The ones at my high school were closet sized, not room sized.)
When Kim's told the bracelet is armor that grows when she lies, she keeps lying, even though it was probably unnecessary. Her parents and Ron would have been understanding about her wanting to go to a party with her crush.
Her actions led to her destroying Monique's garage door, which probably landed Monique in trouble.
And though Kim does get grounded for lying, she doesn't get in trouble for putting others in danger.
(Probably because Wade's the only one who could confirm that she knew she was putting others in danger.)
She uses the Neural-Compliance Chips on her brothers, after saying that just making them would be unethical.
After an entire episode about how bad they are.
After being a victim of them herself.
It’s meant to be a joke.
This is not the kind of thing anyone should joke about.
Kim thinks telling Ron that he might stand a chance with a girl is "fudging".
At this point, they know so little about Zita that they think her name is Annie.
There's no reason to believe Ron wouldn't stand a chance except for having a low opinion of Ron in general.
They also had their conversation about it while sitting across the table from Ron at Bueno Nacho, so there's a good chance he heard them.
And despite this belief that he doesn't stand a chance, she spends the rest of the episode angrily telling him that there are no rules to try to encourage him to ask her out.
Ron's steps of taking care of Rufus aren't just long because he's an exotic animal, those are also things Ron learned about taking care of Rufus from experience.
He also refers to Rufus as his son in "Mind Games", so Kim's disregard for how to take care of Rufus is extra mean given that Rufus clearly means a lot to Ron.
Not only does Rufus accidentally eat the chip due to Kim's negligence, she doesn't even notice it's missing until Wade tells her it's broadcasting a signal from inside Rufus.
And she lies to Ron about all of it on multiple occasions. I can understand some of them, since she was dealing with an emergency, but this is the kind of thing pet owners like to know about.
Kim and Monique were both arranging “accidental” run-ins with Hirotaka to ask him out, but Kim’s the only one who had Wade track Hirotaka’s movements to do it.
I know Monique couldn’t do that, but the point is, Kim took it to creepy stalker levels for a guy she’s known for less than a week.
(I'm also interested in the fact that Monique was confident she could take Kim in a fight.)
Though Kim and Bonnie both sabotage each other, Kim started it.
She unplugged Bonnie’s alarm clock, supposedly to charge the Kimmunicator, but there was another available outlet that she could’ve used.
She also uses all the hot water in the showers so Bonnie can’t have any, which wouldn’t harm just Bonnie but anyone else who may need to use the showers after Bonnie.
And she refuses to take any of Ron's feelings seriously.
Even if Gil hadn't actually been up to something, Ron was still stuck sharing a cabin with a guy who used to bully him and had attacked him and the squad at some point. He has every right to be uncomfortable with it, but Kim keeps dismissing his feelings because she's too focused on sabotaging Bonnie so she could win a plastic stick that's been painted gold.
Dr. Lurkin apologizes to Ron for not taking him seriously, but Kim doesn't.
Despite getting on Ron's case for cheating in "Naked Genius", which is completely fair, Kim had no problems using her newfound super strength for gym class or cheerleading, which is unfair and hypocritical of her.
Though I agree the "doofy" and "stupido" thing was embarrassing, coupons shouldn't be embarrassing, especially since Kim isn't offering to pay for it herself.
I can understand how the kids' menu thing was embarrassing, especially since Kim wouldn't want to order a kids' meal. However, she should just let Ron order of the kids' menu if he wants to.
The whole plot around getting jobs would have been better if Kim was getting one to pay for dates herself, not to "encourage" Ron to get one to pay for dates.
And then Ron decides Kim deserves better and starts looking for a job himself anyways.
I could understand being upset about not getting to see the designs, but Monique signed an NDA and would be risking not just her job but her future career in the fashion industry if she told Kim. And having Wade check the contract for loopholes is obsessive and could’ve landed them all in legal trouble.
Hassling Monique to break an NDA and trying to get Wade to find a loophole so Monique can tell her is the kind of thing Kim would've gotten fired for.
(Also, there is no way Wade was just given a copy of that NDA, so he's definitely in trouble if Monique ever decides to snitch on him.)
We learn in "A Sitch in Time" that Kim always wanted a little sister, so it's no surprise that she took to Hana immediately.
But Ron's life was changed against his will without warning while he was at school, so a little sympathy would be expected from his girlfriend. Especially since the attic isn't as nice or comfortable as his old bedroom.
When Yori needs Ron's help on a mission, Kim refuses to let him go because she doesn't trust Ron alone with Yori, even though he's never given her any reason to think he'd be disloyal and Yori had requested help from him specifically.
I know they’re criminals who are behind bars, but that doesn’t make it right for Kim to use The Fashionistas’ design without their permission.
Monique didn't know it was The Fashionistas' design, and Rufus is a six-year-old rodent, so he wouldn't know any better.
But Kim did know it was their design.
I know they wanted her to bust them out, and I'm not saying she should, but it doesn't seem right for her to use their design without their permission.
(It's also kind of a disappointment that Kim is wearing a design made by The Fashionistas instead of Monique, her fashionable best friend who helped her put them behind bars in the first place. That would've been so much cooler.)
At no point should Kim and Ron have been trying to get Monique to date Wade.
(A more realistic way of handling that would be to have them tease her about it for a bit, not seriously asking her to consider it.)
Also, Kim didn't actually need to hit Monique with the Cupid Ray just because she "didn't have time" to deal with Monique being upset. She was in a car, she could've driven away.
Because she did, Monique refused to leave Wade's side and ended up on a mission that she would have never gone on if she had been herself at the time.
If this show handled relationships a bit more realistically, people would at least be mad at Kim for her actions, and stay mad. Kim being a hero doesn’t excuse such behavior, nor does her being a teenager.
As an action hero, Kim is great; cool, calm, collected, and always victorious.
But as a person, Kim is controlling, competitive, manipulative, insensitive, and more focused on her own wants than others around her.
And those aren't qualities someone who's meant to be a role model should have.
Sometimes it doesn't feel like Kim Possible is an actual character in her own show. And, on the surface, that makes no sense.
She has multiple personality traits, both good and bad; confidence, a desire to help others, concern over what others think of her, gets frustrated when she doesn't instantly excel at something, competitive, judgmental, kind of controlling, etc.
These are traits that should lead to well-developed character who people can relate to.
But she feels more like an icon than a character, and I think I know why.
Ron also has multiple traits, but he feels more real, and that's because they spend more time exploring Ron's thoughts and feelings. They don't just give Ron character traits, they explain them.
That doesn't happen for Kim.
A lot of Kim's traits exist in a vacuum; there's no reasoning for them. It's never explored why Kim is, say, competitive or controlling, just that she is.
Kim is confident in her abilities. This might have come from her parents constantly believing in her, but it's not really explored.
Kim gets easily frustrated if she doesn't instantly excel at something. Though it's relatable, it'd be better if the reason for this was explored more.
Kim is competitive. To the point of sabotage. To the point of considering sneaking into a game for a team she was coaching because she couldn't stand the thought of losing. There's no explanation for this, as her parents would definitely encourage sportsmanship and fun over winning.
Kim is judgmental of interests she doesn't share. But "Monkey Fist Strikes" shows that she definitely didn't pick this up from her family. And it's definitely not one they'd have encouraged.
Kim is controlling to the point that she expects Ron to always be willing to drop whatever he's doing to join her on a mission. To the point that she doesn't let other people handle tasks for her, even when she clearly can't do them on her own. Again, there doesn't seem to be a reason for this trait. It's never explored why Kim is like this.
Kim refuses to acknowledge that Ron is important to her success. Again, it's never explored why Kim refuses to recognize Ron's contributions to her success.
These are traits that could lead to an interesting character who grows and develops as a person.
But, because the show never wants to explore Kim's reasons for being this way, she doesn't get to really grow as a person.
And that's why she doesn't feel like a character in the series. She doesn't grow or change, and her underlying thoughts and feelings and reasons for being the way she is aren't explored.
And it's kind of detrimental to character development.
If part of your house randomly burst into flames at times, solving the problem wouldn't just involve acknowledging the flames and putting them out. You'd also have to figure out why it bursts into flames, even if it's uncomfortable.
In order for Kim to truly grow and develop as a character, it's not enough to just acknowledge that Kim has flaws, it's also important to explore why she's like that.
But, since that doesn't happen, Kim doesn't feel as relatable as Ron.
And this leads to Kim seeming like less of a character in her own show.
Would Kim grow as a character if she did the whole “young character reacting realistically to trauma” via Finn Martin, Anne Boonchuy and Luz Noceda?
She would probably grow as a character, at least a little bit, if she did that. It would at least make her more sympathetic to Ron's fears, so she wouldn't be constantly dismissing them all the time.
(Of course, I'm upset that she's constantly dismissing Ron's fears when she knows they were caused by traumatic experiences, but that's for another time.)
So, yeah, probably. And I think it'd be very interesting to see that.
It'd be nice to know that even the girl who can do anything experiences fear and trauma. And that experiencing those things doesn't keep her from being a hero, and it's not bad to seek counselling for it either.
It'd be really cool to see, I would love that.
I'm not the first to mention this, but one bit that I thought was really clever in Steven Universe is the ways in which the show subtly justifies the cartoonism of the principle cast always wearing the same outfit for ease-of-animation purposes. The gems are a gimme in that they're all hardlight-projections, and even before that's solidified as a plot point they're otherworldly and superheroic enough that you don't really think to question it. But Steven canonically just owns hundreds and hundreds of those star shirts, which are leftover merchandise from his father's fizzled-out career as a rock star. Into which you can read a whole bunch of other stuff if you really want to, right? And I do want to. It's reflective of Greg's misplaced optimism that he got hundreds of those made in the first place, and it's a benign but visible example of how Steven's life is shaped by the knock-on effects of decisions his parents made before he was even alive. He's got his mother's superpowers and he's wearing his father's shirts.