This Is So True. I Liked Cacw But This Is What Really Ruins It For Me

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Ah... This is a painful topic. I felt it was a problem with a screenplay on a fundamental level. Not everything to do with RDJ’s brilliance (though that too. He is RDJ). It’s just that... All It was “Tony’s family“, “Tony’s youth”, “Tony’s grief“, “Tony’s girlfriend left him“, “Tony’s PTSD“ “Tony’s heart problems”. Yes they made sure we understood Tony’s motivation. I loved his arc in this. But what about Steve? He deserved to be on the same level of character study. But they couldn’t even give him half decent monologue about his worldview.  In his own last film! (Yeah, and why would we need his family and childhood in this? It’s not like they had an influence on him as a person. We’ll better see Howard for the tenth time). And now next time we see Steve it will be in Avengers and there won’t be any time for him as a character. Sorry but I really don’t understand how Tony’s fans can be unhappy with his treatment in mcu when he basically had 6 films where he is the no.1 character and there is a “Homecoming“ on the way.

That was the problem with Civil War. It wasn't a Cap film. The emotional arc came from Tony and overshadowed Steve's arc. Which would have been fine for an Iron Man movie. But not a Cap movie.

I do think that Steve’s character had an emotional arc and would argue that he actually went through the most change by the end, giving up the Captain America mantle, but I agree that Tony’s role and RDJ’s wonderful acting allowed him to be far more obviously emotional, which naturally drew the viewer to what he was going through.  I know a lot of people felt the same way as you, Anon.  Definitely a lot of Cap fans feel that he didn’t quite get his due, and I would agree with that. 

As I’ve said, I loved the movie and am glad we had it, but I would like a Cap movie where Captain America is the focus and we see him and his team fight actual Captain America bad guys.  Of course, I know there is a whole overreaching MCU that CACW had to work into, but yes, I’d love another Cap movie.  Well, and IM4.  Basically, give it all to me!  I know these movies do have to end someday, but I still feel like there are more stories to tell.   Maybe Tony could actually defeat his own villain in IM4?  Just throwing that crazy thought out there.  

I’d like Cap 3 movie

petition to rename captain america civil war avengers civil war and finally make the real cap three (food for thought: captain america: the nomad, following fugitive steve rogers as he struggles between following his morals and disobeying the world, while balancing new/old relationships and taking down whats left of hydra)

CW is a huge letdown for all Steve fans. I’m still so angry about it. But if I remember correctly they said that RDJ wouldn’t agree to this film if his character would have too little screen time or shown in the wrong. And you can’t have CW without him. I think all they could do really is name it Avengers Civil war. Now for me there is only 2 Cap films and 4 avengers films. What a shame

And with Cap’s supposedly “big role” in the next Avengers I can’t help but think that it will be another disappointment. I so hope I’m wrong here.

how they could have kept cap 3 civil war w/o turning it into avengers 2.5

-do not open the film with action. the captain american movies have always been incredibly human. keep the pattern tfa & tws set; open with a moment//moments that add to steve rogers’ character

- scratch the tony narrative Completely. i’m sorry to any tony fans but seriously, get that out of there. follow steve’s perspective and steve’s perspective only, the exception being for plot-driven scenes only 

-given us more steve. he felt like a secondary character to his own film. how could that have been remedied? replace any time alotted by tony flashbacks and character insight with Steve flashbacks and character insight. give me steve watching the mother who had cared for him his whole life, breathing her last breaths in his arms, consumed by sickness. give me a quiet moment with sam, heartbroken and apologetic after two years of unsuccessfully searching for what, a ghost? give me steve helping a old woman carry her groceries into her apartment, and have her recognize him. have him spending the rest of the day with her, unguarded. 

-exploit thaddeus ross’ moral depravity; he is not just some hardass trying to push politics. the project he led illegally experimented on prisoners, he lied to bruce banner (and the misinformation is what led to bruce being turned into the hulk), he personally swore he’d kill bruce and hunted him to endlessly bruce saw no other option than to try to kill himself

-highlight the worst part of the accords. remind the audience that nefarious interests have infiltrated the government before. show us a flashback where steve’s actions were manipulated by a hydra controlled shield & the negative consequences. show us that the government does not always follow the moral highground. 

-let us have more time where steve interacts with bucky. let them have an actual conversation. 

-give us more sam wilson, someone who connected with steve and saw him as more than captain america when no one else would

-make us feel as desperate as steve feels. let us know just will happen if steve doesn’t come out on top this time. give us the hopelessness, make us be sided 100% with steve with no reservations because this is His story, without a single doubt, this is his struggle. we are rooting for steve no matter what as he fights an unjust world that would have killed his best friend without sure evidence, that would have imprisoned him, that would have dictated his every move and treated him and those like him as weapons and pawns

there should have never been sides. it should not have been open for interpretation. it should have just been the story of a man who keeps fighting for what he believes in and stands up against any bully, even if it means pitting him against the whole world, and yet, and yet,…. he still triumphs and refuses to be put down

Steve/Tony + complementary qualities

Yeah, that's stucky. Definitely. I really liked that ship some time ago

ship: *exists*

me: okay, it's okay i guess---

shippers: *are full of nasty veil hateful people, who will bully anyone who doesn't ship said ship, forces the ship down other peoples throats, acts like they run the fandom, erases and shits on other characters bc of their ship and are all around toxic to a fandom*

me: ya know what? nvm i hate that ship, that ship is awful.

It’s amazing that some fictional characters can live their own life like that. In the hearts of real heroes. No stupid or cruel plot twists can change that.

Channeling his inner Captain America, cancer patient conquers toughest challenges

Landon Helff would spend every waking minute outdoors if he could, but he can’t.

@blessedharlot - a happy story to cheer both of us up. A young cancer patient beats his cancer using Captain America as his inspiration to never give up.

Excerpt: 

Channeling his love for Captain America helped Landon conquer his toughest challenges.

Friendly reminder that when Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, both Jewish, created Steve Rogers America had not yet joined the war. They created Steve as a form of protest for Hitler and what was going on in Europe.

Joe Simon quote:

“We both read the newspapers,” Simon said. “We knew what was going on over in Europe. World events gave us the perfect comic-book villain, Adolf Hitler, with his ranting, goose-stepping and ridiculous moustache. So we decided to create the perfect hero who would be his foil. I did that first sketch of Captain America, and Jack and I did the entire first issue before showing it to (publisher) Martin Goodman at Timely Comics. He loved it immediately.”

Friendly reminder that the first issue of Captain America, which featured art of Steve punching Hitler in the face, caused a lot of controversy among the Nazi sympathizers in New York, so much so that Simon and Kirby were constantly being threatened. At one point Timely (re:Marvel) received a call from someone in the lobby threatening bodily harm to Kirby if he showed his face. And Kirby, proving just where Steve got his spirit from… went on down there to fight the bastard.     

“…Jack took a call. A voice on the other end said, ‘There are three of us down here in the lobby. We want to see the guy who does this disgusting comic book and show him what real Nazis would do to his Captain America’. To the horror of others in the office, Kirby rolled up his sleeves and headed downstairs. The callers, however, were gone by the time he arrived.” Based on everything we know about Kirby, these Nazi crank-yankers got lucky.”

But the threats did not stop there…

“Years later, [Kirby] told an interviewer, ‘I once got a letter from a Nazi who told me to pick out any lamppost I wanted on Times Square, because when Hitler arrived, they’d hang me from it. It was typical of a genre of fans who have long since died out.”

Friendly reminder that when America did join the war, and despite the success they had with the Captain America comic, both Simon and Kirby joined the service. Kirby was drafted into the Army, Simon joined the Coast Guard. In fact Kirby was a successful scout for the army and during that time discovered and helped liberate a concentration camp. During his service he got severe frostbite and almost lost his legs. Afterwards he was awarded a Combat Infantryman Badge and a bronze battle star.

Friendly reminder that both Kirby and Simon were proud of Steve to their dying day. In fact, according to Joe Simon’s granddaughter, Megan Margulies, Joe’s apartment, right up until the day he died, was covered floor to ceiling in Captain America paraphernalia. 

…and this is the legacy that Nick Spencer is denigrating with this current story-line.

marvel character study: steve rogers

incorrigible.