I Can Actually Answer That Question About Ryoma’s Case! I Apologize In Advance For My Literal Ass Essay,

I can actually answer that question about Ryoma’s case! I apologize in advance for my literal ass essay, but at the same time I don’t because I love talking about Ryoma all the time.

OKAY!

So while it’s not directly stated in any way in game, it is most definitely implied that Ryoma just straight up never told anyone the reason he went after the Mafia.

Funny enough I mainly use the Ultimate Talent Development Plan for this kinda info. Because what little we do know about his crime is generally pretty interesting (at least to me har har!). 

Kaito is very helpful in this regard! And he basically outright says that he has no fucking clue why Hoshi did what he did. 

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There’s no way in hell that Kaito would be wondering “why Ryoma became such a sad sack” or “why he’s a total coward” if he knew  all of Ryoma’s loved ones are literally corpses in the dirt. And it’s not like Kaito is some rando nobody either, he was one of Ryoma’s fans when he was in the Tennis Club! Everyone that would play Tennis would know his name. If anything, other tennis players would prolly be the first to know? So it confirms that Hoshi didn’t even tell the person he left his cat to or any of his Team either.

But we DO at least that the general public also have no idea why Ryoma killed the mafia. And that’s confirmed in Ryoma’s interaction with Hajime in the UTDP, and with Shuichi & Kaede in the prologue!

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So besides confirming that Kaede absolutely does not stay informed on any events that happen IRL ever (relatable) and that Shuichi still reads newspapers (old man alert), the general public does not know a thing. Neat.

Which I suppose also makes Ryoma’s statements in his 4th FTE all the more interesting in hindsight:

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Also tiny shoutout to Ryoma calling Shuichi spineless in the process lol. Makes me laugh every time.

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Along with his like, constant self deprecation and the way he really eggs people on like “oh I’m such a horrible person I’d leave my lover to die” and “I’m so awful I’m a convicted murderer” he really makes sure to put in the 9 years to both whine that he absolutely doesn’t want to tell anyone about what happened, but also really wants to tell someone what happened to him lol.

Combine that with his hesitation with being around detectives,

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it seems like he’s could have had run-ins with a detective or two in the past. Prolly during the Investigation for his crime. And from the looks and sound of it, likely didn’t tell them anything either. (Take a moment and imagine what his poor defense attorney must have had to go through tho. Couldn’t even get an emotional plea out of that man and Ryoma was prolly just saying “I’m guilty” all the time. Was prolly stuck doing an insanity plea to maybe get him a life sentence. I’d hate to have that nightmare of a case. Yikes!)

Whether or not he was actually was interrogated for that info would be a Your Milage May Vary kinda deal. But it is possible, depending on how you read his dialogue.

It’s totally possible Shuichi is the first person he’s told.  Neat to think about.

The only person that seems to know about Ryoma’s more personal business otherwise is Fuyuhiko (and maybe Peko by that logic??) 

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But also like, no shit the largest Yakuza clan leader in the literal globe would know why an entire mafia got murked by one guy. Mad impressive to hear I’d imagine, almost too fake to believe it’s real. Someone should write a fic about that tbh.

Also Peko says organizationS, as in multiple. Also destroyed is a really fuckin raw word to use. Very funny. Genuinely curious about Ryoma’s body count though. Is it in the triple or even quad digits??? 

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Also I wonder if this implies that Ryoma knows that Peko works for Fuyuhiko or at least the mob and just doesn’t care because she asks for cat pics all the time?? Very funny to think about.

Anyways! We know generally p much nothing about general perception to how people react to Ryoma’s case. But it’s interesting!! Really interesting! And it’s a topic I wish was actually brought up more, because I would imagine someone like Akane (who’s lived in the slums and scaped by watching her siblings casually die and likely watched the mafia and loansharks do their thing) may view what he did as a good thing, or Kiyotaka being conflicted that Ryoma killed people but also killed very bad people who do very bad things you get me?

It’s a fun fanfic premise. Ryoma’s a very fanfiction-able guy honestly lol. 

But the parallels are VERY interesting! And I’d like to now derail this post and talk about those similarities you mentioned in the first paragraph, to talk about the absolutely best part of Ryoma and Shuichi’s chemistry together (as friends or otherwise whatever floats the boat): Shuichi’s closure in Ryoma’s 5th FTE.

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I’d say you could definitely read Shuichi’s dialogue here about respecting Ryoma’s decision as a way of making amends with the guy from his past. And to have Ryoma accept those feelings? Damn bro, it’s so touching. Like a load off the shoulders. He doesn’t really have this type of interaction with anyone else either at any point, so it makes it all the more impactful.

That’s actually partially why I say Ryoma and Shuichi have such great chemistry, if just because they both help each other with their issues and don’t necessarily “solve” or “get rid of” them, they do provide closure for one another in their own dorky ways. It’s just neat. Love it a lot.

Anyways, lil detour over, but I def. agree that the additional content (the UTDP and Danganronpa S) definitely could have touched on it more. It’s REALLY cool to explore in fanart or fics tbh. Underrated potential.  I for one, would love more info about the general perception of Ryoma. He’d definitely have a weird creepy fanbase like serial killers do and he’d fucking LOATHE it lol.

You know, I've never seen anyone talk about how Ryoma and Shuichi's backstories mirror each other, when it comes to significant events in their life. Maybe this was gone over in-game and that's why nobody talks about it while I just missed it, but whatever, I'm gonna talk about it anyway

So we've got the murder case Shuichi solved, right? A crime was committed against the killer's loved one (driving them to suicide), so the killer took revenge by killing the victim. And then. And then!! We have Ryoma's altercation with the mafia, where they committed a crime against his loved one (killing his girlfriend, and I think his family too iirc?) and he took revenge by killing the entire mafia. Do you see the similarities in revenge murders playing a big role in both backstories?

However, this makes me curious about what happened directly after Ryoma's arrest. Shuichi was struck with the idea that maybe he was in the wrong for helping convict someone who'd just taken their revenge – were there people with similar opinions when it came to Ryoma's case? Did people even know the full story of his case, and why he killed that mafia? Or would there be people who didn't need to know the full story to argue what he did was righteous, because they saw the mafia as merely scum better off gone?

I think there's a lot of opportunities to explore when it comes to this parallel and the opinions of the general public surrounding Ryoma's murders. And I'm probably missing some details since it's been five years since I saw a playthrough of the game, but... knowing Danganronpa, they probably could have done more with this.

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2 years ago

Forgive me for hopping on this post, but I can actually shed a little bit more light onto this from a long term Silver fan perspective! Funny enough, I’ve never really read the Archie Comics proper (I’d read whatever the kids in the neighborhood had at the time, which were a lot of the more earlier titles) and have never read a lot of Stanley’s work outside of IDW Sonic, so I hope this can provide interesting context from a general Game-only fan. 

So around the late 2000′s especially and even early 2010′s, Silver’s character was kinda regarded very.... negatively. Which I mean, makes sense as Sonic 2006 was like, the debut game for him and not a lot of people tended to play Sonic Rivals or even know it really existed, but while his debut game very much debuts him kinda being dumber than bricks and like super whiny- a lot of how this interpretation actually came to be was because of the fandom in general directly! 

A lot of fandom content regarding Triple S (the group of Sonic, Shadow and Silver) or even Shadow and Silver as a duo, tended to portray the hedgehogs in like, popular stereotypes. Sonic was the Cool kinda cocky one, Shadow was the Badass and smart one... so that left Silver in a weird spot. A lot of sprite videos at the time took the route of making Silver more of the dumb one, while other content such as early comics and channel-specific content would make Silver more of the pathetic nerd.  The most memorably early example of the former portrayal is from this playlist of the Sonic, Shadow and Silver Show with a lot of reuploads from popular sprite video creators at the time (since a lot of these sprite video creators have either lost or deleted their channels) and later portrayal to me is prolly Shadow and Silver’s Pizza Hut Adventure.  But this type of content was actually super common around multiple creators! Silverknux’s Silver voice is like, always the immediate one I think of despite everything kinda because of these videos I watched growing up haha. 

Not to say that cooler or more accurate portrayals of him didn’t exist at all, they did and they were all very good too! But fandom is fandom, and to simplify a character down to their basic traits is a very common fanon phenomenon when making fan content. 

It actually wasn’t until more of the Late 2010′s where Silver’s more not great aspects of him from the game that everyone remembered were kinda portrayed in more of a less negative light? Like, people on the internet would still make fun of you from time to time if you ever tried to acknowledge that Silver was cool because he was in 06 and 06 sucked harhar and those criticisms of his character still exist and are valid, but among fans it was way nicer to play Silver’s more negative aspects of himself in more of a cuter light. Now instead of sprite vids of him being dumber than a box of rocks or videos of him just being kinda nerdy and pathetic, he was in comics with Amy trying to learn how money works in the modern day or in fanfics learning what a coffee maker does with Espio. Still a lot of the same base traits, but just generally portrayed as cuter if that makes sense. It just kinda spiraled from there.

I believe the Snapcube fandub (not a shocker there harhar) is more of a proper embodiment of how Silver’s character had changed out in time with fandom, rather than a contributor to the general change. Just became its face, I suppose?

It’s been fascinating to see this shift over time, especially as someone that loves Silver, but of course that’s just my perspective! And while I do have faults with Stanley’s writing and sometimes even art despite generally enjoying it a lot (although not entirely off base with Silver being almost a different character in a writing sense, even Stanley admits early GOTF Silver was almost a self-insert at the time compared to the later issues, which I can see bleeding into the official work a bit from time to time), it definitely is FAR away from the earliest or even first popular portrayal of Silver being characterized this way. Just the first more ‘official’ one.

Sorry for kinda hijacking your post with my rambling Greeny, but I hope that this helps! 

Do you know how the misconception of uwu Silver came to be? Was it Archie's fault?

It's a tendency of Stanley I guess. She portrays Silver as off-model and "adorkable" likely out of her own interpretation of the character and the fandom took it and ran with it. Why SEGA condone it is beyond me.

It's so characteristically different to how Uekawa portrays the character and how he's actually depicted in the games that they may as well be two completely different characters.


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“You’re dripping.” Plastic cries as Saihara wastes no time in sitting down, a weak effort to try and lift a second leg under the table that falls flat. Clothes stick to his frame, sweat drops down onto the table, and it takes the detective a moment to actually respond to his classmate.  “Yeah. I know.” The towel is rubbed against his forehead after his words. A pause for Hoshi to push a bookmark (a gift from Saihara, one he cares for deeper than he should) into his read and set it aside, a barely hidden smirk as he reaches into the gym bag at his side and hands over a water bottle. “You exercise in dress pants regularly? They don’t breathe well, you know. Though, considering you exercise with Momota in the middle of the night, maybe I’m the weird one for thinking you’d wear normal clothes for this sort of thing.” Mossy eyes roll at him in exchange, and Hoshi lets out a small laugh.  A pause from cracking open the water bottle. Cheap plastic is much different than what the detective is used to, but matters little while recovering from a mile run. "Come now, even Harukawa doesn’t make fun of me this much.” Though his tone is much more happy than annoyed. The water is so refreshing after everything. Akin to a heaven, even. Hands reach for the open book on the table- staining the pages with sweat fast. “I mean it in light jest. Promise.” The air brushes against his ears, reprieve from the heat bearing down onto his skin. An eyelid raises at the sight before him, reaching for a sandwich to keep himself busy. "Don't drip onto the books. I have to return those to the library you know." “I promise not to soak them through.” A hand presses against his chest before Saihara’s face quickly turns to a grimace and wipes it off onto his pant leg. “Any suggestions for this?” “Your towel, preferably. Though from the looks of it, you’ve practically soaked the poor thing already.” “Well aren’t you cheeky today.” Taking the towel off his neck, a smirk forms onto his face. Hoshi’s happiness was a sight always to cherish, even if it was at his expense. That laugh warms his heart more than any run could- burned his muscles less too. “How do you stay so dry anyways?” Another towel is slid over the table for the detective, a finger points to toss the wet one aside. “I’ve got years of training under my belt. Even while out of my prime, a mile’s almost nothing.” Besides, he’s had nearly fifteen minutes to dry off from the sun while waiting for Saihara anyways. But he didn’t need to know that.  “That’s not too important though. Get some food in ya, it’s your turn to read, and I wanna hear your voice more.”

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Hello hello! I’m Saishii, 24 and slowly working on my art and fanfics. Whenever I remember to post em to socials, that is.

Here’s an obligatory link guide to just general stuff for my blog, links to my socials, all that good stuff if you don’t care to click my blog. Will try to keep it updated! 

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