Sorry If This Is A Bit Long-winded, I Tried Putting It The Comments, But It Was Too Long:

Sorry if this is a bit long-winded, i tried putting it the comments, but it was too long:

There's actually a conversation about the Doctor's gender in 12s era, between the Doctor and Bill, that suggests they're some form of genderfluid/agender/nonbinary.

And quote from the EDAs novels where the 8th doctor where they say they've " never felt like a man".

Not to mention the interview with Eccleston where he says he tried to play the 9th doctor with a balance of masculine and feminine aspects.

Even if they still use he/him pronouns quite a bit, the doctor does feel removed from human/binary gender.

Please feel free to bug me about finding these quotes later if i get distracted and don't add them after a while!

I can't speak as well for 13, but the quote from her "mummy, daddy, I mean..." which sounds like shes searching for a more neutral word too.

Beyond that, a she comes across as fairly ok being binary woman (with maybe a little nb thrown in there too). Especially in her interactions with humans, or trying to make a point to a misogynistic character/interaction.

But they way the doctor ignores/accepts their gender/pronouns being assumed by people doesnt mean they agree with those assumptions, more so than dont bother to correct people they meet? Like they know most humans are thinking within a gender binary, and they are ok that most humans wont be open minded/likely to understand in certain parts of history.

Rose knows shes not a cis boy, but the narrative doesnt seem to make it very clear that shes nb or questioning before that moment, or at least not as well as it could have. (It also doesnt help that it feels like some of the transness of the narative is undermined by14 switching back to he/him pronouns and typically really masculine expressions/behaviors after that conversation for the remainder of the ep. And that the solution to the metacrisis is framed in a very gender essentialist way too )

I think more adept writing could make it clearer that shes an enby and trans girl, rather than a binary trans girl. Hopefully a cowriter whos nb and trans could help a bit.

Honestly, i need to do a prop write up on my thoughts, but the scene could also could be read as rose figuring out that shes trans and nb? That she is also both, and contains complexity/multitudes.

Also have to write about my reading of how both the doctor and master being nb/genderfluid even by timelord standards too, at some point later.

Also feel free to ask questions/dm too!

I'm not sure if Rose knew she was non-binary before the DoctorDonna memories came back.

She knew she wasn't male, but also mentions at the end finally feeling like herself. So the Doctor's influence, passed down through Donna have been impacting her for her entire existence.

She prioritises neither immediately after that power is released in her and I think that's when she's started being able to tell what is the influence of that power, those unreachable memories and what is her.

She's neither and more, but I think, quite possiblty, she'd have only viewed herself as more, in a 'I've been one transitioned to the other so have a deeper understanding of both' type of way before that.

Now she can be neither because she's not got this unconscious influence pushing her towards the binary now.

Cause yes, the Doctor is intersex. I thought about it and I don't want to say non-binary because the Doctor's changing gender and regeneration as a whole is biological so that fits more with my understanding of what intersex is rather than the identity of non-binary or any of the other ones. (Please Please correct me if my understanding is wrong)

He still tends to follow the binary. How he appears is how he presumes to be. When the Thirteenth Doctor took over, yes there were comments about being male ("come to daddy, no mummy" jumps to mind) but she changed how she was refering and presuming to be to be female. The rest of the time the Doctor has presented and accepted being seen as male.

Rose would have had that influence, unknown and unconscious as it was until she could tell the difference between that and who she is.

Donna admitted it impacted her, made her give away all that money so I don't think making toys and painting a shed to be a TARDIS is the only way it impaced Rose.

I think the non-binary was a release and realisation allowed by an easier differentiation between Rose and the metacrisis.