People who don't want the villians to get saved because "it's not realistic because you can't save everyone" like sir people can shoot flames out of their buthole here. You can excuse frog people, rabbit people, and washing machine people but you draw the line at saving people?
Me: I'm done yapping
Reads Viz's translation for chpt 427
Actually no I'm not.
Let's talk about Izuku Midoriya, intense hero fanboy, everyone he looks up to is a hero, ect ect
Passively listening to Spinner as he sorrowfully tells him "he was my friend. He was my hero".
Like??? Midoriya doesn't even bat an eye but at the least that should resonate some with Midoriya. He can at least imagine what it'd be like to (permanently) lose All Might/Toshinori. Or Bakugou who was dead for long enough in the Sky Coffin. And we get.... A close up of Midoriya, showing some dark circles under his eyes and a blank stare. What. The. Fuck. Does he have so little empathy once people turn into "villains"? That he can't sympathize and try to ease their pain? And we're supposed to believe he has this incredible heart that's so inspiring to even antagonistic characters who've otherwise lost hope in hero society? (I'd maybe say that he's still processing the end of the war, dealing with his own stuff, ect ect and excuse that lack of interaction if not for the fact that he quips back "make it a comic book" - which he's not a big quip person so it's not like that's in his character to do, especially not during emotional exchanges. I'm sorry but it's just... callous at worst, tone deaf at best)
If someone can explain this chapter's Deku to me - not with suppositions, but with canon only evidence - that'd be great. But I no longer believe that Midoriya has such a great heart. Show don't tell, but we had plenty of telling and little showing.
We don’t make enough jokes about the fact that Tomura has three whole ass adopted father figures fighting for his custody and Dabi can’t even get a hold of his biological father.
i know you've touched on this subject before but it really pains me to hear how people voice their want for touya to die instead of being on life support despite the fact that he, himself, still wanted to live. "there are still arguments I want to have, and things I still want to say," after all.
i think people misunderstand a lot of touya's feeling about taking his own life at the end of it all. from what i took about his character, as soon as he reclaimed is name again, he regressed back into how he was emotionally as a child, and it only got worse from that point.
a damaged child, especially a neglected one, will always hurt themselves and care little when they've been shown no care. so how do they get that care? hurting themselves, and if necessary, ending their life. but he doesn't need to do that anymore.
he wanted to live, and though his circumstances are saddening (or well was, let's hope he can finally do things considering there was no confirmation), it's a good thing he showed some kind of regret about the fate he nearly had, and expressed a desire to still continue.
I think this is fully on how Horikoshi depicted the situation with needlessly cruel horror that feels really unnecessary.
If Ch 426 put more care into depicting Touya:
1. Not being in pain
2. Getting relief from his family coming to see him
3. Getting affirmation that he’s loved and always was
4. Showed that people were in fact grateful for being saved
People wouldn’t feel like Touya would have been better off dying. Think in comparison how nobody says that Spinner or Overhaul would have been better off being dead and it becomes painfully obvious how Horikoshi undermines his own narrative with the circumstances he set up, which feel like needless horror.
I fundamentally understand what he’s trying to portray, but I think his art choices are at odds with his narrative goal (if that is to depict a peaceful death for Touya as a fix-it for his violent death on Sekoto peak).
Even if he wanted to depict Touya’s hopeless, miserable state,he could have shown the chapter in parallel from an internal headspace where we can see child Touya getting emotional relief -sort of a continuation of the Ch 388 image.
one of my issues with the MLA arc resolution is that it just feels like a very incomplete understanding of ideology and praxis. it reminds me of people trying to ‘debate away’ nazis or antivaxxers or terfs or whatnot, bcs there’s this idea that the ideology will just… go away if you “win” somehow?? which is a very liberal understanding of ideological conflict imo. there are a lot of ideologies that are illogical, and which rely on the denial of facts and the invention of conspiracy theories to sustain themselves, which is why it’s so impossible to “win” against those people. but even when you move away from those ideologies and get into ones that are more liberal or leftist, you still get ideological conflict, and you’re often met with clashes of fundamental values, and opinions about what is morally acceptable or necessary, and so forth. ideology is a whole system of ideas, built from the ground-up, and you often have to work long and hard to get to the foundation to significantly change it (eg: marxism isn’t just about being anti-capitalist, it comes with a whole set of ideas about human dignity, and human desires, and what constitutes human nature, and through what kind of means capitalism strips them away or modifies them, and why capitalism does this, etc. even before you get to anti-capitalism, a marxist and a neoliberal will probably already disagree about, like, human nature, and who deserves dignity and what dignity even means).
that’s why Redestro giving in so easily is so unsatisfying to me, because that’s rarely how it happens ime. given how many people complain about their jobs and their wages, but refuse to take the logical next step to complain about the economic system they live under, it makes no sense to me that this guy who benefits from hero society and that kind of societal order would want to expand his concept of “freedom” to include Shigaraki’s view. the change shouldn’t be as simple as Shigaraki showing off his quirk, i want to know: why does Redestro accept this as his new vision of freedom? where does he feel like the MLA’s own ideology fits in? if he discards the MLA’s ideology entirely, why does he think Shigaraki’s is better? where does he see himself fitting into Shigaraki’s final goal? there’s just so much that goes into the formation and adoption of an ideology that this abrupt about-face, without so much as touching upon those questions, makes it feel unrealistic, because it’s never just as easy as debunking one idea. it’s an entire system of beliefs, and if Shigaraki managed to change enough of it for Redestro to willingly and happily follow him, I need to know what changed, and why, and how it leads to this conclusion.