My theory about what happened to Touya is pretty much the same as yours - he attempted to do something dangerous with his quirk and burned alive for it. As to reason for it, I don't know. I do think, however, that it WASN'T during training, and I don't think Endeavor trained him at all after it became clear that he was "defective" - what would he gain from it. From what we see of the flashbacks, Touya was a healthy kid that played with his siblings.
I agree. The timeline doesn’t seem to work out that way.
We know that while Touya had a powerful fire quirk, his body was too weak for it.
So Endeavor must have given up on training him already at a young age and went on to have other children: Fuyumi, (unless twin theory, which I think it’s quite plausible given Endeavor’s and the other kids’ age), Natsuo and Shouto.
Here is Shouto at five, pre-scar, not allowed to play with his siblings - and Touya is still among them. Endeavor clearly only training him.
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this is kinda messy fanart, i just wanted picture tenko looking at his grandmother with the same hairstyle, but what happened, happened.
but with the recent reveal about Tenko's quirk and having spent some time dwelling on the details of Touya's death there are more and more things not making sense in the context we were given.
Touya died in a fire on Sekoto peak after having a breakdown which lead to him losing control of his fire. This happened notably on a day when Enji was at home, having a day off from work.
Then Touya's burned body was taken away by All For One, who had broken off a fragment of his jawbone and planted it as evidence of his death.
As neglectful as Enji may have been as a father, he was still a hero. I have no doubt he got to the mountain as soon as he realized there is a fire. The Todoroki mansion was also located close to the Sekoto peak, as both Enji and Touya used to go there regularly to train. Are we really supposed to believe AFO just so happened to come across the fire started by Touya, manually break off his jawbone, leave it there and get away from the mountain with his body faster than it took for Endeavour to come there? Enji is the one living there, not All For One. Touya's breakdown is not something that can be predicted by the other party, unless they are keeping close contact with the Todoroki family. Ujiko directly confirms they were indeed aware of the private matters happening in the Todoroki house, which lead to AFO taking interest in Touya.
Those kids were our spares, in case anything happened to Tomura Shigaraki.
What did happen to Tomura Shigaraki, when he still was Tenko Shimura?
AFO sought him out when he was still a baby, and immediately took away his quirk factor. He was meeting with his father privately and encouraged his behaviour towards his son. He even contacted Tenko's friends. When Tenko was 5 years old, AFO personally passed the Decay quirk to him in another meeting.
AFO was a fucking control freak, manipulating Tenko's life to unbelievable degree. Everything that happened to Tenko was a doing of All For One, pretty much. And once he had hold on him, he kept him in complete control and isolation for most of his life.
Is it really so far fetched to believe that Touya's death on Sekoto was also AFO's doing?
We already have the confirmation Touya was one of Shigaraki's possible replacements and AFO toon specific interest in his quirk, before giving up on it.
We also know the only reason they let Touya go was because his body was so messed up Garaki prognosed his life expectancy after leaving the facility to be a month tops.
Another point that stands out is Touya's ice quirk awakening. The evolution of quirks explanation is handwavey at best. But if the condition for Touya was a near-death experience, then wouldn't a 13 years old boy who was used to dealing with minor burns and didn't want to burn to death fulfill those conditions better than a 24 years old man who was dealing with extreme burns on the regular and actively wanted to die?
Anyway, All For One is the one who started that fire on Sekoto, not Touya. In this essay I will-
honestly the whole story concept of bnha has been disappointin so far. person is oppressed for their lack of quirk but wants to break through the oppression– just make him not oppressed anymore!!! feels like deku doesnt care about quirkless oppression at all and its just a dumb background so he can be relatable slightly for having not grown up with superpowers
ok ummm sorry but why are people talking suddenly like irl domestic violence victims get any sort of widespread sympathy or support??? like, for one, let’s just establish that it’s silly to complain that real, living, breathing people are being treated with more sympathy than a fictional character. but even that alone would also be completely wrong, because… rl victims are not treated well at all??? did we just forget all the victim-blaming, the slander, the cross-examining, the doubt, and the legal institutions that are weaponized against rl victims all the time???
if you somehow see someone condemning rl abuse but dismissing fictional abuse, it’s because they only care about rl abuse in the broadest and most conceptual sense. rl abuse is hated as a contextless idea, or when it’s committed by someone the person doing the condemning doesn’t care about, like some dude they’ve never talked to or some celebrity they have no personal attachment towards. condemnation of, like, weinstein, who most people do not know anything about nor care about, is not the same as popular support for victims as a whole. compare the reactions to weinstein vs reactions to johnny depp or even (god) joe biden. the difference is entirely in how much attachment people have to these abusers.
a character like endeavor makes people trot out an entire circus’ worth of excuses not because these people actually care about irl abuse as opposed to fictional abuse, but because the narrative gives endeavor a way of playing on people’s heartstrings and allowing them to nurture an attachment to him, which they will then vigorously defend even at the expense of his victims. they do this as well with rl abusers who they particularly like or have some sort of connection to. it’s not that ppl’s condemnations of abuse are either existent or non-existent—it’s that they’re frequently circumstantial.
please, let’s be finished with the insinuations that rl victims receive care and support or even, like, lip service that isn’t getting extended to fictional characters.
REAL BNHA FINAL PAGES LEAK:
bakugo: deku you quirkless nerd… hawks is calling, he wants your help designing the new plush pajamas to give to prisoners…
deku: oh right! i guess i better get going. have fun in combat training, remember to learn how to kill villains in one shot!
*behind bakugo we see ochako and iida sharing a kiss*
deku: ha, i guess we all saw that coming.
*deku runs into all might*
all might: young midoriya… i told you real heroes moved without thinking… and i stand by that. continue not thinking and you will be a hero no matter what
deku: wow all might… thank you!
*deku walks away holding a notebook that says “IDEAS FOR NEW VILLAIN BURIAL GROUNDS #12”*
*THE END*