Thoughts-of-a-cypress - ????

Cause these two are a match made in heaven - literally friendzoned/"just-an-assistant"ed themselves lol

Here we go again, still learnt nothing?

"It matters if Felix does" - what are you saying? That Felix ACTUALLY ceasing Gabriel from existance matters but it still isn't something villainous? Interesting take. Defending Gabriel over Felix is an interesting take, I simply pointed out how he only threatened him while Felix actually DID what he threatened. Which one is worse then?

"It's not whether Nathalie would kill a kid for no reason. It's about it being drilled into Felix for 14 years that he can't trust his safety to anyone else" - yeah, that sure is enough reason to let him keep the peacock. Cause no one else can use it responsibly? Frankly that's not anyone's problem but his as harsh as it sounds. Kagami could have the same fears, she would have every right to cause she knows she's senti or Adrien once he finds out. But no, cause Felix is afraid he can have it but Kagami couldn't if she had the same fears. That's illogical. Wouldn't it be about him learning to let go off that fear? That's what we call progress. Also Felix ceased whole Paris from existance but who cares lol. And Ladybug and Cat Noir killed many sentis before or don't they suddenly matter anymore? Cause the whole debatte of whether a senti is alive or not only matters when it causes dramatic effect. Didn't Nathalie undergo character development or doesn't that count anymore either? You know, to give people the benefit of the doubt and trust them 😃

"But that doesn't matter if he does better in future" - do you hear yourself or are you deaf to your own words? Do you realize you doubt your own point by saying IF he does better? Comedic gold 😂

How does the saying go "forgive but NEVER forget"? "A reason that Marinette can understand and move forward with" - funny you should mention this cause psychology CONSTANTLY brings this up. It gives a reason to why someone does what they do but it DOESN'T excuse it. Meaning if someone harms another person it explains why they did it but it doesn't excuse it, hence they have to face the consequences of their actions, in more brutal cases prison. When did Felix face the consequences of his actions? Let me remind you my og post was about why Marinette shouldn't let him keep the peacock. Only that nothing more. Isn't her not letting him keep it such a consequence based on him abusing the peacock's power and betraying her trust by stealing the other miraculous to deal them with the villain?

Lol I went deeper into Chloe cause YOU pointed her out. And I'm using facts from the show. From the show's point of view Chloe was too irresponsible with her miraculous so she lost Ladybug's trust along with her miraculous. However Felix did worse than her on multiple occasions but he's getting the "benefit of the doubt" - ironic don't you think? : D

I'm gonna hold your hand when I say this: "in the end" is a popular idiom for reflecting on a point or "when everything is taken into consideration" - in Chloe's case it's pretty obvious she won't get her character arc anymore. One can hope but Astruc won't let it happen, he made that very clear

"It literally doesn't matter if he did it for a selfish reason, he did a good thing" - wow, you really are deep in denial aren't you? A prime example of a "but, but..." excuse. Then Gabriel wasn't in the wrong for trying to bring Emilie back either. It was for a good cause 🤪 you see, in fact it DOES matter cause if Gabriel wasn't a threat, he wouldn't have asked LB to defeat him already. He acts selfishly and is supposed to be in a team of heroes now?

Why? I only brought up Kagami cause she was in on telling Marinette that story and stop Gabriel for a selfish reason. It was the two of them who did it. It might've been Felix' idea but she was okay with it. It's what happened in the ep lol

Not gonna comment of her lucky charms, I did previously

No, it doesn't make sense for her to trust Tomoe. Why even? Again, she literally lets her roam free without facing any consequences of high crimes. Is that what a good hero does? The thing is, Gabriel's initial plan was ALWAYS to bring Emilie back. So in the end he'd either choose to fulfill his original wish or, as he did, heal Nathalie. There was no world domination in his plan. Never was, not even when he went mad.

EXACTLY it's riskier! Which makes a bad hero! As I pointed out before, she now just sits around and risks playing "will he, won't he" which in the end puts everyone at risk - Paris, the heroes, everyone! She didn't bring Tomoe to justice either, as pointed out before. She doesn't fulfill her role as the hero of Paris, as a guardian over the city! "You want Felix punished" - shouldn't it be obvious why? Progress as a person only works if you FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR DAMN ACTIONS which Felix never did. So gonna repeat myself here, one obvious consequence would be not letting him near a miraculous anymore, AT LEAST for the time being if she decided to give him a chance and watch him closely for any missteps. Just saying - Nathalie was ready to turn herself in, meaning face the consequences of her actions, but Ladybug prevented her from doing so. LB literally trusts her fully now, no reason holding her back from giving her the peacock again but apparently Paris needs to be protected by a bunch of teens

Additional point which was technically mentioned already too - what Felix did in "Emotion" is kinda equivalent to Magneto's goals and beliefs and guess what? He's a known VILLAIN in the Marvel universe. Both did/do it for selfish reasons.

Another additional point which interestingly you failed to mention, which I did in my og post: why should he have the peacock if he lives in London while the fights take place and the new villain is located in Paris? See the lack of logic?

Btw found the perfect summary for Felix and his little stans who excuse him, like you do:

"He killed 80 people in two days"

"He's adopted"

This was all fun while it lasted Karen, thank you for the laughs, have a good day : )

Can someone explain to me Marinette's grand idea of letting Felix keep the peacock?

• Stole all the miraculous, handing them over to the villain. If Gabriel was out for world domination he would've played part in helping him reach his goal and thus basically ending the world

• Terrorized whole Paris, making everyone disappear, something not even the main villain of the show did all 5 seasons long. And he did that in 1 day. He was literally singing a happy song and dancing while spreading fear. If that's not something a maniac villain does

• Kidnapped Kagami and thought it was okay. Only likes her cause she's senti - he's basically racist (granted Marinette probably doesn't know this but we do and every other point should be enough for her not to trust him)

• Bullied Adrien since they were kids, which can go as far as putting camembert under his pillow and sending a hate message to his friends just cause he can, thus invading his privacy on his phone. Pretends to be him just cause he can too ofc for selfish reasons

• If all these weren't bad enough, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just to mess with Adrien. Sure he cares for his cousin : D

• Chances are if he betrayed her once, he might betray her again. Will put nothing past him

• Literally lives in London. Should he fly to Paris every time something's happening?

So why not give back the peacock to Nathalie? She's healthy again, on the good side, she's responsible and trustworthy, she read the Grimoire so knows more about any of the miraculous than anyone on the team, she's an ADULT and granted they seriously need one, she already has experience with the peacock and Duusuu likes her, has combat skills and they're more than impressive (slay queen) and she's smart af. Plus SHE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

Omg totally! Our gang is NOT done! Gabenath is real, we've literally seen it, s5 isn't real anyway (weird in general and ooc for especially Gabriel and Chloe)

There are fanfic writers more competent than the MLB writers (specifically Astruc)

Now that "Sublimation" is officially out I have a few notes to add (trying not to be too spoilery):

Wish we could've seen how Adrien and Sublime started becoming friends. I don't think we will see this piece of information later on but well, one can hope. Adrien always gets sidelined and now it's him who made a new friend for himself, outside the sidelines. Regardless, they seem to have such a sweet friendship. Yep, still shipping Adrien/Sublime, now even more! Why are they pushing Adrienette so hard when it's toxic af!? So far Sublime and Adrien seem to have a nice connection, the kind of connection which is perfect to build on a relationship (yes, my head's full of ideas and "head"canons). Even Sublime's parents seem they would get along nicely with Gabriel and Nathalie (Gabenath is real - can't convince me otherwise) With character developments Gabriel and Caroline could bond over how their cold demeanour aggravated their relationship with their kids and led to their own downfall too. Nathalie and Severin both have great bonds with their kids already (yes, Adrien is Nathalie's son) so they can either bond over that or trash-talk their partners, both options are good. And ofc both Adrien and Sublime can bond over sooo many things. Both play instruments, both do sports, both seem to have similar childhoods, both raised to be perfect still grew up to be the sweetest, both giving off golden retriever energy, both seemingly being into Greek history (stan them for this)

Ah yes, I'm full of ideas. We could have all this...with competent writers but alas, at least we got fanfiction and our headcanons

Sidenote: did anyone else get the feeling when Adrien explained Marinette's creepy behavior to Sublime (why would you do that Adrien?) her eyes were literally screaming "Adrien, blink twice if you're in danger" cause wtf was Marinette pulling!?

(S5 isn't canon, it's just a bad nightmare)

El Toro de Piedra

Wow! Just wow! A LITERAL criminal doesn't go to jail for actual crimes and instead gets excused BY THE HEROES cause "He'S TrYiNg To Be BeTtEr"

Just when I thought they couldn't sink lower 😂

Why does Paris even need the police anymore?

You know what makes this even funnier than it already is? This scene literally excuses all of Gabriel's actions as Hawk Moth. The maturity of the writers truly is 🤌

Do the writers understand there are kids out there with criminal parents, parents or relatives in jail (or overall just abusive ones) and it's not all "but they're trying to be better 🥺"? That it's not about "but I love them please don't hurt them 🥺" but more "I WISH they loved me and I WISH they were better" - that even if a kid would want to believe nothing bad should happen to their parents, you need to face the consequences of your actions and sometimes that's jail. Cause that's why jail exists!

Hell, some kids break up contact with their parents later cause they treated them like sh*t and were sh*tty parents all their lives. Why should they keep around such a person? And it most definitely SHOULDN'T be encouraged to keep toxic people around you cause "tHeY'Re FaMiLy"

Some wish they could escape their situations and some, if they're lucky, can. And they're happy about it! A lot of these times kids face severe trauma and some never truly get out of it even years later. And in this case we are talking about an actual criminal, wanted by the police probably for years, who, on top, tried to force his son into a criminal activity. And technically we don't even know how often he forced Ivan into such an action

You know the quote "blood is thicker than water"? Guess what? It's not only toxic but WRONG. This is what happens when you shorten the original quote and switch the meaning. Here's the actual quote: "Blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb" - see how the meaning takes a 180 turn?

Can someone explain to me Marinette's grand idea of letting Felix keep the peacock?

• Stole all the miraculous, handing them over to the villain. If Gabriel was out for world domination he would've played part in helping him reach his goal and thus basically ending the world

• Terrorized whole Paris, making everyone disappear, something not even the main villain of the show did all 5 seasons long. And he did that in 1 day. He was literally singing a happy song and dancing while spreading fear. If that's not something a maniac villain does

• Kidnapped Kagami and thought it was okay. Only likes her cause she's senti - he's basically racist (granted Marinette probably doesn't know this but we do and every other point should be enough for her not to trust him)

• Bullied Adrien since they were kids, which can go as far as putting camembert under his pillow and sending a hate message to his friends just cause he can, thus invading his privacy on his phone. Pretends to be him just cause he can too ofc for selfish reasons

• If all these weren't bad enough, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just to mess with Adrien. Sure he cares for his cousin : D

• Chances are if he betrayed her once, he might betray her again. Will put nothing past him

• Literally lives in London. Should he fly to Paris every time something's happening?

So why not give back the peacock to Nathalie? She's healthy again, on the good side, she's responsible and trustworthy, she read the Grimoire so knows more about any of the miraculous than anyone on the team, she's an ADULT and granted they seriously need one, she already has experience with the peacock and Duusuu likes her, has combat skills and they're more than impressive (slay queen) and she's smart af. Plus SHE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

You think Gabriel would've actually ceased him from existance? That was only a threat. Meanwhile Felix DID actually snap him out of existance along with many other INNOCENT random people. What did they do to deserve it?

Yeah, "as long as ANYONE having the peacock there's a risk" yeah right. Cause Nathalie would snap him out of existance cause she's bored. Or Luka or Marinette or Adrien if they had the peacock. Your logic is flawed.

So him being abused by Colt gives him the right to lash out? To bully Adrien, to terrorize Paris, to kidnap Kagami? But Chloe isn't allowed to act out when both her parents are sh*t. Interesting

I just expanded Chloe a little cause you mentioned her. Point is that in the end, by the standards of MLB she didn't deserve her miraculous while Felix did when he did worse than Chloe.

Lol that was a selfish reason. If Gabriel wasn't a threat to their love they wouldn't have cared to tell that story and alarm LB. Think people, think

It does actually matter cause it shows the lucky charms are just whatever. The lore is inconsistent so not 100% trustworthy

Her always giving the benefit of the doubt doesn't make her a good hero, at least the s5 finale should convey this message. It actually shows why she's a weak hero. Cause it's easier to just believe "ah they might come to their senses on their own" than to make them face the consequences of their actions and bring them to justice. Cause she doesn't do anything about Tomoe either but that is another conversation too

Thank you for showcasing again why the MLB fandom is lost. If you can't see why Felix is a sh*tty person and doesn't deserve his miraculous, your problem

Can someone explain to me Marinette's grand idea of letting Felix keep the peacock?

• Stole all the miraculous, handing them over to the villain. If Gabriel was out for world domination he would've played part in helping him reach his goal and thus basically ending the world

• Terrorized whole Paris, making everyone disappear, something not even the main villain of the show did all 5 seasons long. And he did that in 1 day. He was literally singing a happy song and dancing while spreading fear. If that's not something a maniac villain does

• Kidnapped Kagami and thought it was okay. Only likes her cause she's senti - he's basically racist (granted Marinette probably doesn't know this but we do and every other point should be enough for her not to trust him)

• Bullied Adrien since they were kids, which can go as far as putting camembert under his pillow and sending a hate message to his friends just cause he can, thus invading his privacy on his phone. Pretends to be him just cause he can too ofc for selfish reasons

• If all these weren't bad enough, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just to mess with Adrien. Sure he cares for his cousin : D

• Chances are if he betrayed her once, he might betray her again. Will put nothing past him

• Literally lives in London. Should he fly to Paris every time something's happening?

So why not give back the peacock to Nathalie? She's healthy again, on the good side, she's responsible and trustworthy, she read the Grimoire so knows more about any of the miraculous than anyone on the team, she's an ADULT and granted they seriously need one, she already has experience with the peacock and Duusuu likes her, has combat skills and they're more than impressive (slay queen) and she's smart af. Plus SHE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

Honestly, were the writers of MLB s5 like high or something!? Wtf did they do!? I'm afraid to ask what they plan with the next seasons lol

Anyway....let's just ignore it and live happily in our own headcanons cause at this point the show just became ridiculously overwhelming

Scared 14 year old? Of what? And that gives him the right to terrorize Paris? "Emotions" calls such bs on everybody and once again shows the writing team's incompetence. So why didn't Chloe deserve the bee miraculous when she actually tried being better? That's right, cause the writing team said so. Obviously this doesn't apply to Felix who literally did all the stuff mentioned above in my points. This is just "excuses, excuses, let's try making him look good when he never once did since his introduction"

They literally just showed her the play so she defeats Monarch so THEY can be happy and safe. Their intention wasn't "Monarch needs to be stopped so Paris and the world is safe" but "we want to be together"

You can't really argue with the lucky charm. She got like 4 or 5 lucky charms in "Werepapas" and she never cared for those and most of those kinda were actually useful when that's NOT how a lucky charm is supposed to work

And her trusting Monarch literally led to her LOSING. He got his Wish. She failed as a hero

Can someone explain to me Marinette's grand idea of letting Felix keep the peacock?

• Stole all the miraculous, handing them over to the villain. If Gabriel was out for world domination he would've played part in helping him reach his goal and thus basically ending the world

• Terrorized whole Paris, making everyone disappear, something not even the main villain of the show did all 5 seasons long. And he did that in 1 day. He was literally singing a happy song and dancing while spreading fear. If that's not something a maniac villain does

• Kidnapped Kagami and thought it was okay. Only likes her cause she's senti - he's basically racist (granted Marinette probably doesn't know this but we do and every other point should be enough for her not to trust him)

• Bullied Adrien since they were kids, which can go as far as putting camembert under his pillow and sending a hate message to his friends just cause he can, thus invading his privacy on his phone. Pretends to be him just cause he can too ofc for selfish reasons

• If all these weren't bad enough, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just to mess with Adrien. Sure he cares for his cousin : D

• Chances are if he betrayed her once, he might betray her again. Will put nothing past him

• Literally lives in London. Should he fly to Paris every time something's happening?

So why not give back the peacock to Nathalie? She's healthy again, on the good side, she's responsible and trustworthy, she read the Grimoire so knows more about any of the miraculous than anyone on the team, she's an ADULT and granted they seriously need one, she already has experience with the peacock and Duusuu likes her, has combat skills and they're more than impressive (slay queen) and she's smart af. Plus SHE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

No fr right! And the stans just go on, trying to find excuses 🙄

Fact is - they can't. He did all those stuff, it's canon and they're literally crimes. If we were talking real, he should be in juvie cause he commited serious crimes lol.

Nathalie literally would be the mum lol. Like technically she would be the most skilled holder, she already showed that as Mayura

Can someone explain to me Marinette's grand idea of letting Felix keep the peacock?

• Stole all the miraculous, handing them over to the villain. If Gabriel was out for world domination he would've played part in helping him reach his goal and thus basically ending the world

• Terrorized whole Paris, making everyone disappear, something not even the main villain of the show did all 5 seasons long. And he did that in 1 day. He was literally singing a happy song and dancing while spreading fear. If that's not something a maniac villain does

• Kidnapped Kagami and thought it was okay. Only likes her cause she's senti - he's basically racist (granted Marinette probably doesn't know this but we do and every other point should be enough for her not to trust him)

• Bullied Adrien since they were kids, which can go as far as putting camembert under his pillow and sending a hate message to his friends just cause he can, thus invading his privacy on his phone. Pretends to be him just cause he can too ofc for selfish reasons

• If all these weren't bad enough, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just to mess with Adrien. Sure he cares for his cousin : D

• Chances are if he betrayed her once, he might betray her again. Will put nothing past him

• Literally lives in London. Should he fly to Paris every time something's happening?

So why not give back the peacock to Nathalie? She's healthy again, on the good side, she's responsible and trustworthy, she read the Grimoire so knows more about any of the miraculous than anyone on the team, she's an ADULT and granted they seriously need one, she already has experience with the peacock and Duusuu likes her, has combat skills and they're more than impressive (slay queen) and she's smart af. Plus SHE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

The thinking of Thomas Astruc:

"Season 5's gonna be amazing! I can finally get rid of Chloe, destroy the plot and finally kill off Gabriel's whole character. Yes, this is gonna be fun but what to do with Gabenath? Sadly we gave the fans signs, hm let me think, oh I got it. If we make Gabriel say he never trusted her, only used her this entire time and leave Nathalie to die the Gabenath fandom will definitely be shut down once and for all. Yeah, that's what we gonna do. Also let's make Adrien suffer, it's so much fun. Fans will love it. And the finale will be great!"