I liked Horizon: ZD <3
I really do love John and Batman Telltale as a whole but every time John mentions Harley in a romantic way (which is a lot from ep2 onwards) a part of me dies a little.
I sincerely hope his, ugh I hate to even call it that, “love” for Harley stops being brought up in the last episode. I want him to focus on discovering himself, realising he never needed/loved Harley in the first place.
and potentially realising that Bruce was his true love all along
Confession: while vigilante John is my son and my canon version, I still crave more villain John content. I see so much potential in that version. And it hurts so good.
Give me John commiting pettier and smaller crimes just to get Bruce’s attention. Give me John and Bruce slowly forgiving each other. Give me villain John feeling guilty for what he has done. Give me Bruce promising John that he will be there for him and letting John turn himself in on his own terms when he’s ready to go back to Arkham and get better.
I headcanon that Bruce never gives up on trying to make things right with John and confesses that he’s in love with him (well more like it slips up during one of their fights). But John is still angry and hurt and doesn’t believe him (how can Bruce love him if he betrayed him? How can he love him after all that John has done? To Bruce, to Gotham …) but after he sees that Bruce keeps on trying and trying to apologise to him, and keeps stepping into John’s obvious traps (Bruce knows they are traps but he feels like he has to prove himself to John that he’s serious) John starts to feel guilty. He starts to realise that Bruce truly is sorry for what he has done and it’s hard to hold onto this grudge when Bruce is there - more open than he ever was with him before - trying to earn his forgiveness and trying to help him.
It’s hard to hold a grudge when the person you love (no matter how much you’re angry at them) loves you back so deeply.
John also feels guilty that Bruce doesn’t seem to give up on him no matter how many horrible crimes he commits. And at some point he only continues to commit crimes because it’s easier to continue being in the shoes of a villain, he feels like he has no other choice now that he’s in so deep. He did so many horrible things already,…so he feels like he can never go back and that this is the only thing that’s left for them. He’s almost afraid to mend the broken bond with Bruce because that also means facing the reality of what he has done. How many lives he has taken and destroyed and it’s eating at him.
So like after some time John’s crimes no longer have any real heart in them, he mostly just does them so he can face Bruce again because he misses him. One day he finally breaks down crying during the fight; just straight up drops his knife and weeps and Bruce holds him in his full on Batman getup while John sobs into his chest. “Why won’t you give up on me?! Why are you still here?!” kind of lines slip during the sobbing. After the sobbing calms down John kisses him, and they stay there for a while just kissing. Kissing all the hurt away.
After that they finally talk it out. John realises he needs to go to Arkham but he’s not ready to go yet. He’s not ready to face the reality. So Bruce lets him stay in the manor for a few days, helping him however he can to come to terms with what he has done. And when John is ready he lets Bruce drive him to Arkham. They kiss one more time and Bruce whispers a promise to help him get through this & visit him. And then they hold eye contact until the guards take John away.
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Okay, I’m gonna talk about this. The cafe scene is a favourite, but I wanted to monitor Bruce a little, looking at his body language. In the first gif, when he did an impression of Harley, he blinks a lot and looks away. This suggests feeling awkward, which is understandable, he’s playing pretend with John.
The second gif I love, because it screams smitten to me. He’s completely relaxed, but not only that, he makes himself appear smaller, more petite or frail. He’s also smiling and diverting his eyes. I don’t know if writers were going for this, but that’s how it looks to me. Honestly, it’s adorable.
I find myself thinking that perhaps, JUST PERHAPS, this is when Bruce starts to see John as more than a friend, even if he doesn’t really know it yet. The whole scene is brilliant (provided you pick the “be yourself” choice, so rip me, but the other one is good too). The writers did say that this “date” was important, and that John might not be after just Harley’s feelings.
I am starting to believe that up until ep4, it’s us as players to decide if we have developed a friendship in John, and with what happens in ep4, how important is that friendship, and if we choose the right choice or not.
One of these days watched this program. Good show.
Thanks to @oi-chibi-oi
Just look at them! My new ship has arrived
With a little more time, who knows? We might have even become friends.