Askthekirbysquad - A Puff, Penguin, Borb, Dee, Grape And An Egg

Hey Kirby. If you touch this laptop. Did it can send you to 1999 and make you transform into classic-self

This is the laptop

Kirby: Promise you won't tell Meta Knight..? He was really upset when he saw his last cookie was missing...

( @nocturneofoddity )

For the second thing, nope! Magolor's basic magic sphere with no charge is still electric-elemented (and so is the attack at its first level of charge). I speak from recent experience, since I've been grinding out a bit of Star Allies' Guest Star mode lately, and always have Magolor in the party when I can! He doesn't need to charge his attack in order to imbue other allies' weapons with lightning.

But as a further bit of proof, you can also see that there's a little electric effect when enemies are hit by the attack:

( ^ Also gonna note that the same is true in the Epilogue too, even if this is mainly about Star Allies)

You do need to fully charge the attack for it to eventually become fire-elemented, though! Maybe that's what you were thinking of?

Gonna put the rest of this under a cut, since it's gonna be long dgdhshf ((Update after finishing writing the post: can confirm, it's Extremely long lmao))

You do have a point about Taranza, though! To compare the two attacks...

Magolor:

Taranza:

The two are very similar! Though they're not quite the same; Magolor's has that little lightning-like design inside the sphere, while Taranza's is more glowy, just in general.

That said, Taranza's attack also isn't electric-elemented---at least in Star Allies, anyway. In both Clash games, I will give you that both attacks have the lightning effect when Kirby is hit by them. I don't know why that's different in Star Allies (especially since Taranza still does supply the electric element with his Sectonia attack!). Should it be considered retconned? Or different Taranzas with slightly different abilities (both Clashes' Taranzas do look different from our usual one)? I dunno, but the information is there.

Also, while I'm posting images, here's a look at Gooey's laser attacks:

(Which, again, aren't actually electric-elemented, but do bear similarities to Magolor's electric spheres. Though admittedly it is less than I initially thought, now that I'm able to see them side by side. But I guess also at the same time, it's comparing orbs to spear-like attacks.)

And the only other instances of purple electricity in Star Allies, from ESP, Beam, Doc from Daroach (...kinda. It still does grant the electric power though), and Taranza's Sectonia attack:

Spark is green or blue depending on the attack, and Adeleine's summoned Kracko painting is blue. I didn't check Zan Partizanne's moves outside of her boss fight, but I'm fairly certain her stuff is primarily yellow with maybe the occasional green or blue flash.

So Magolor's electric attacks are still very noticeably different from any others in Star Allies!

Looking at these attacks borderline frame-by-frame also caused me to notice that weird, dark, smokey trail behind Magolor's spheres. Taranza's similar-looking spheres don't have that, and certainly neither do any of the game's other electric attacks. The trail also just. Doesn't give Electric Vibes. Mind you, Gooey's dark lasers don't have anything like it either.

And now. I'm about to make a massive stretch BUT---

Eh? Ehhhh? Dgdhsffg

Anyway. Back to Taranza. All of his attacks, aside from the one where he summons the Dreamstalk, are pink and/or purple. I'm guessing it's just the natural colour of his magic? I dunno, dghghsf. Maybe it's possible that Taranza's specifically a dark mage? And so he just naturally has a slight overlap with Dark Matter magic-wise, even though they're completely unrelated to each other?? All the canon descriptions of him (e.g., pause screen stuff) that I could find listed on the wiki just call him a "magician" or a "puppeteer" though, so there's nothing to confirm that. ...And. There is also a Bright Glowing Light coming from the center of his magic orbs so djhgdhf. Or it's just. A Generic Manifestation Of Magic, and it's purple because that's just the colour Taranza's magic defaults to when there's a high concentration of it packed into one ball. And that's why it's elementless. ...Except that it's Not elementless in the Clash games. I Dunno. I don't like the inconsistency dgshgfhdsf. Especially since Star Allies (including Wave 3) was released in between the two Clash games

Magolor, though, is very much a versatile, generalist elemental mage. He can use lightning, fire, and wind magic (which does raise the more lighthearted question of why he doesn't know water or ice magic. haha catboy doesn't like water, and Frozen Water is just as bad dghsgf), as well as some dimensional stuff with his teleportation and black holes. Lightning is most likely his 'default' element and the one he finds easiest to use, seeing as that's what his most basic attacks are (and is also the only ability he keeps, and least in some form, when he loses all of his other powers). Which, actually, also fits quite well with his affinity for tech! I like that

...I. Am just rambling at this point dhggshgf

Anyway. Yes! You are right about some of Taranza's attacks looking similar to Magolor's electric spheres. Whether or not Taranza's magic is also electricity-based is. Weirdly Inconsistent. And I don't quite know what to make of it, because there really is no reason for it not to be electric in Star Allies if it's supposed to be. Still, at least as far as Star Allies specifically is concerned, Magolor's electric attacks are very different from every other instance of it (and it's. certainly Interesting to see when you've got the rest of your party powered up by his lightning, and everyone's attacks are all yellow n' stuff and then there's his Dark Purple Orbs).

If we're okay to follow Star Allies and say that most of Taranza's magic is not electrical (and the Clash universe's Taranza is just Built Different, on top of looking different), then I Think it might be okay to just brush him aside? He's got his own thing going on with his own type of magic, and it doesn't affect the fact that Magolor's specifically electricity magic is Weird As Hell and Not Normal. Since even Taranza's one electric attack in Star Allies, while pink, is still Light and Bright and also has yellow lightning bolts in it, with no dark colours to be found outside of the Sectonia illusion.

So! I'm gonna go with the thought that Magolor's electric spheres weren't always purple! They used to be one of the more standard electricity magic colours. But! After the possession and Soul Eating done by the Master Crown, his magic was permanently Tainted by Dark Matter. The other types of elemental magic he uses are different enough from his base and need to be more... Refined? Specially crafted? ((it's 3:30am for me at this point and I Cannot think of the exact word(s) I want dghsgfhfh)) in order to use cast them, so you don't really notice the corruption in those spells. But for the default, most natural manifestation of his magic? The type closest to his core being? It's very clearly been visually altered. (And perhaps its effects have changed a little too? Like, it's still lightning, but maybe getting hit by it feels somewhat Different compared to other forms of lightning magic. An added touch of... Whatever Dark Matter projectiles would do to you gdgfdfb. An added chill of sorts?)

He... Doesn't like to think about the changes much.

Thinking about how Magolor's electric ball attacks look nothing like any other instances of electricity in the games that I can recall (particularly in Star Allies), but do resemble Gooey's Dark Laser attacks quite a bit

Treasure chest opened!

Splat!

Oof! You just got pied!

The pie is swiftly inhaled before it even remotely has a chance of hitting Kirby in the face.

Wow!! What an awesome treasure!!

"Mmm, yummy!!! Thank you, mysterious treasure chest!!"

I've been replaying PMD: Explorers of Sky so have a thing. I like Grovyle

Magolor: You know, I don't think I've ever seen what you look like without that mask.

Meta Knight: And I would prefer to keep it that way.

((when you're not getting any asks so you just use the characters to create your own))

So, I finished the Magolor Epilogue yesterday! Thoughts Time, and also time for some notes on how I'm gonna work it into this blog's continuity, given its ending.

I won't be tagging this post with any spoiler tags, but I will throw the rest of this under a cut in case anyone else was late to the game like I was! ...And also because it's Long dgdgshs

First off, the mode itself was excellent! It might be my favourite of the "play as someone other than Kirby" modes now. I like the whole collection aspect and upgrading Magolor's abilities a lot (along with all the little things he has to say about it—Magolor likes puns confirmed! Which makes sense. Yet another way to harmlessly annoy his friends lmao), and I definitely strongly prefer the combo mechanic as a way of determining score over the time attacks that Metaknightmare, Dededetour, and such have. ...And I do also just adore Magolor and playing as him dhdhshf (though I love Meta Knight too!)

Getting Platinum ranks on Electricky Dooter and Hydriath was absolute hell though. I have no idea why those two bosses specifically took so many damn tries, but they did.

As for plot stuff, it's cute that they tied stuff in with the Kirby Clash games and offered a bit more of a backstory behind the Gem Apples. And also given the newly added conversation that you get from collecting all 120 Energy Spheres in Extra Mode, it's nice to see him follow through on what he told Kirby and actually set up a shop (even if in doing so he becomes more evil than he ever was before by forcing Microtransactions upon us). I also loved getting to see the origin/creation of Magolor's Ultra Sword attack from Star Allies in the battle against the Master Crown!

But! The ending also causes some slight issues for this blog's continuity, given that here, Magolor is chilling at Dedede's Castle with everyone else. And obviously, I'm not gonna change that.

I've got multiple ideas on how I could adjust things to make everything work! I haven't decided on which one to go with yet.

My initial thought was to create a timeline split. Instead of going to the Kirby Clash universe, this blog's Magolor was sent to somewhere in the main series' timeline (along with the Gem Apple still, of course). Halcandra was my first idea, since that would work best with my original plans for him that I think I've mentioned in an old ask (Magolor talks to Landia, who tells him a bit of what they know about the Master Crown. They also banish him from Halcandra for his crimes, but allow him to take the Lor with him as long as it agrees to it (which it does!)). And then from there, Magolor warps to Dream Land using the Lor Starcutter.

I could see the Epilogue's extra level being a pathway back to Dream Land/Planet Popstar, given the presence of Waddle Dees and (more importantly, since maybe there were Waddle Dees in the other Epilogue levels that I've forgotten about) the fact that Magolor is going through a lot of the Another Dimension Sphere Doomer sections from the Story Mode, which are connected to Popstar and Halcandra. So I could see that being the way Magolor gets back home. Maybe he decided to stick around in Another Dimension for a little while longer instead of taking the portal into the Clash universe? So he could gather more magic energy and fully restore his powers before leaving (so that, say, he's not permanently stuck without infinite flight). And eventually he discovers the extra stage, which takes him back to Popstar. He never does learn what was on the other side of that portal that appeared after he destroyed the Master Crown, and sure, he wonders about it from time to time, but ultimately, he's with his friends now and right where he wants to be.

The problem with Magolor being transported directly to Popstar, though, is that he wouldn't have the Lor with him anymore. ...Well, technically he would get it back once Merry Magoland happens (since I'm treating that as part of the continuity for this blog rather than an alternate universe), when it shows up at the amusement park like «HELLO MAGOLOR. COOL PLACE YOU HAVE GOT HERE.» dgdgdshf. But I have Merry Magoland set as the latest thing happening in this blog's timeline, taking place sometime after Forgotten Land, so Magolor and the Lor would have only recently reunited.

But I guess, given that the extra stage has the Another Dimension Sphere Doomer Story Mode sections (I Do Not Know What To Call Them, I'm sorry dhdhshf) from both Popstar and Halcandra, it might be fine to just say he followed the pathway and the portal at the end took him to Halcandra instead! And then once again, he got the Lor back from Landia since it was willing to accompany him, and then they went back to Popstar so Magolor could make up for what he did to Kirby and the gang (and also because he was exiled from Halcandra).

The other option would be to say that Magolor did go to the Kirby Clash universe, but eventually made it back to Dream Land later on. Since I mean, it's now canon that Magolor goes to Kirby Clash after Return to Dream Land, but there's also the already established canon that Magolor makes it back to Popstar since he's playable in Star Allies. So either there's a timeline split, or Magolor leaves the Kirby Clash universe sometime after its story is complete (...which. I've never finished either of the Kirby Clash games actually dhdhshf).

Magolor does mention that he could potentially warp to other worlds if he upgraded his Dimensional Vanish beyond the in-game maximum, and while that could certainly be exaggeration on his part, that could also be the way he gets home? He managed to further power up his warping abilities during his time in the Kirby Clash universe, and once he's no longer needed there, he decides to use those new powers to go find Popstar (and Halcandra?), which he succeeds in doing in time for Star Allies to take place.

Or alternatively, maybe Kirby summoned him home in Star Allies? If the Dream Rod is able to reach Dark Meta Knight from within the Mirror World and Ribbon from over on Ripple Star, then why not grab Magolor from the Kirby Clash universe too? Plus, I do have to admit, that would make for a pretty cute reunion scene, because Kirby wanted Magolor back and specifically tried to summon him, even after all of the horrible stuff he did.

I dunno! I'm sort of leaning toward the first idea (this blog's Magolor never goes to the Kirby Clash universe at all, spending longer in Another Dimension until he eventually goes through the extra postgame stage, which leads him to a portal to Halcandra), but I still haven't fully decided. Going with the second option (Magolor still gets transported to the Clash universe, but eventually gets summoned back to the main series' universe by Kirby in Star Allies) would mean that he isn't present for the events of Triple Deluxe or Planet Robobot, but I guess that isn't necessarily a bad thing? It'd mean I wouldn't have to decide what he was doing during those times and why he wasn't helping Kirby, since he'd be busy in the Kirby Clash universe. ...But at the same time, for Robobot specifically, I think it'd be funny for Magolor to be there and be torn between going "ooooooh cool tech 👀" and "hey can you guys maybe not destroy Popstar please" dhdgdfhshdhfs

Alternatively:

Magolor: Yeah, actually! When I got back to the Lor after the whole Master Crown incident...

*flashback to Magolor inside the Lor*

Lor: <You're a dumbass.>

*end flashback*

Magolor: That was the last time it ever spoke to me.

does susie give hugs. if so, are they fantastic. if so, can I have one.

Have you ever heard of the Balancer's Ryszard?