Whole Lotta Talk About Transfems Being Transandrophobic And Not Enough Talk About Transmascs Being Transandrophobic.

OP turned off reblogs, so here's my contribution to the "on what grounds can someone be excluded from a women's space if not gender?" thread.

The answer is, none! The whole idea of a 'women's space' is fucked and anti-feministic.

Hey let's try this game!

Me when I'm trying to argue in favour of transphobia and deliberately portray myself as a Nazi

When you're talking to a trans masc on tumblr and they say 'Transwoman'

"There's no way this person I hate could face any hardship" is pretty common in TERF thought, so idk how these people can miss that unless the idea of a TERF is just a boogeywomyn for them

i wanna knooooooow what makes you half detrans. im sitting here in front of my computer, kicking my feet, waiting for an explanation (there is none) (it's just a roundabout way of calling you a man, in the same way they can call transmascs "theyfabs") (how long are we giving it until they start unironically calling you a trans-identified male, terf-style?)

also, aren't you objectively materially under bigger risk than transfems on hrt, under the trf framework? as someone who would literally be seen as a Faggot Male Invading Women's Spaces? what's your "yes woman, completely not on hrt" status mean in the trans radfem framework? (are they capable of constructing what it means for you to be in that position without just kneejerking?)

Yeah, lol. I try not to be weird about trans women with passing goals, all trans women are cool and should be allowed to do with their bodies what they want, and if that means looking as close to cis woman as is humanly possible I'm down with that and support them, but, also, literally every TRF would be as good as invisible if they walked into a woman's locker room next to me and they should consider that the next time they say TERFs are my biggest fan.

If you're going to claim that a country is evil but also threaten to harm people who have left that country, then like... what do you want?

Oh! Apparently transandrophobes are now being very mask off with the fact that they are the same community as truscum/transmeds, 2019 exclus, and every other "grrr other queer people" group!

*gripping my hands so hard on a young trans persons shoulders that their bones are about to break*

do not log on to 4chan.com. do not get involved in passing olympics. you will always lose. do not put afab/amab/tma/tme, that is cisgender society trying to know your “real” gender. you do not exist to please cisgender people. there is no ‘right’ way to be trans. learn your goddamn history, listen to your elders. listen to other disenfranchised groups. listen to intersex people and check yourself for intersexism. listen to trans poc and check yourself for racism. listen to disabled people and check yourself for ableism. be open to learning always. labels are meant to fit you, not the other way around. you are not weird or predatory for simply being attracted to others. you’re fine if you’re not a skinny white twink or a barbie doll. you’re fine if your body is ‘weird’. you’re fine if you don’t have heavy or any dysphoria. it’s okay if you actually don’t want to transition or anything like that. life is worth living at any stage, you deserve to be happy. I SWEAR THAT YOU ARE OKAY!!!!!

Well I've got a list of blocked blogs longer than the fucking Iliad and I still got myself in the trenches :p

tumblr discourse after 13 years on this fucking website

So here's a "transgender activist". Hello!

Reject the reality of biological sex

No one actually rejects the idea that biological sex exists, the ideas that are rejected are:

a) that biological sex as simple as it is claimed, as in exclusively male or female, XX and XY;

b) it matters to the point where we need to structure our entire society around it, and

c) the idea that biological sex should have a determining role on how each individual is allowed to live their life and construct their identity.

All three of these ideas are exclusively found as justifications for a system that oppresses all people, with female, transgender, intersex, and gender non-conforming individuals being hurt the most.

accept the legitimacy of gender roles

This stems from the previous point; try to think about it for a second. If "transgender activists" accepted the legitimacy of gender roles, what would be the point of not identifying as their AGAB? The first, most important, and most oppressive, part of gender roles is the idea that whatever genitals a person is born with must determine their entire lifestyle from the moment of their birth. Penis equals male, vagina equals female, and any mixed or ambiguous genitalia must be surgically mutilated according to the doctor's decision that an individual must be either male or female.

EVEN IF people were being made to transition based on not conforming to gender roles associated with their assigned sex, the idea that they can transition contradicts gender roles as constructed. If "transgender activists" accepted the legitimacy of gender roles, why should someone assigned male at birth be able to call herself a woman, if gender roles dictate that she should either be content with living as a man, or disappear?

If "transgender activists" accepted the legitimacy of gender roles, then transgender activism would solely consist of conversion therapy!

If gender criticals were as critical as they claim, we would be in agreement. Unfortunately the only "criticism" they offer to gender as constructed in patriarchical societies is in the way of hate, to the point of allying themselves with the most vicious "Conservatives/Religionists" to push policies that infringe on the rights of trans, GNC, and intersex people.

But hey, "at least the Taliban knows what a woman is", right?

If you actually take the threat of forced detransition seriously, then you should recognize "Conservative transphobes don't want to kill transmascs, they just want to detransition them" for the callous and out-of-touch statement that it is.

"Ugh, you're actually lucky they don't want to kill you, they just want to permanently cut you off from gender-affirming care, rape you, trap you in marriage and pregnancy, and force you to live the rest of your life as their property."

Wow, I feel so blessed.

It's genuinely impressive how people will refuse to engage in any way that isn't hate, vilify their opponents, demand that you never speak unless it's about them and in the way they personally approve* Or Else, spread posts with every kind of baseless accusation and dogwhistle, defend bigots who want to see you drop dead, completely deny you the ability to even say something to defend yourself against them, and then claim that they are being erased by you. Genuinely, the only other place where I've seen these attitudes with such force was a Christian doomsday cult

*you will still be punished for speaking at all, but who knows, if you avoid enough Bad Words maybe they'll let you off easy