Hey Can We Talk About The Similarities Between How This Literal Actual TERF Describes Trans Men Talking

a tumblr post by user the-damndest- -creature that reads: "The way tifs/transmen want to be considered men in theory but I always see them complaining about being treated/seen as a man?? They still want to be seen as more oppressed than males (but dont you dare agree and point out theyre still female), they want to still be included in girls night. They still want both worlds and switch back and forth when its convenient to them. When they predictably experience misogyny from their own community (by trans identified males) they just call it "transandrophobia". Its crazy how I literally predicted this happening. You are like two steps away from it all making sense. (There is probably also homophobia against lesbians involved since many may mistake transmen as being lesbian instead)"

Hey can we talk about the similarities between how this literal actual TERF describes trans men talking about transandrophobia and how the “transandrophobia isn’t real you transmisogynist*” crowd talk about trans men talking about transandrophobia?

“You want to be a man but you don’t want to be treated like a man” is something they both say!

“They want access to women’s/female spaces” is a point we’ve been arguing about for months (and none of them have a good argument for “are you talking about ones for reproductive healthcare cause I shouldn’t have to explain to you why we’re there” or “do you expect a guy who’s spent years in a social group and forming close friendships with the members to be forcibly kicked out the second he comes out as trans and not have that read as transphobic”)

“You’re claiming you’re more oppressed than trans women” is still false when a TERF is claiming we’re saying that but hey, they’re still claiming the same thing about us

“Transandrophobia is just misogyny/(transphobia)” is yet another talking point we’ve seen already

This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that those of us talking about transandrophobia have been fighting against and to see it out of the mouth of a TERF I think should be setting off alarm bells in some of you. Cause some of you have been drinking radfem juice either without knowing it or while convincing yourself that you can make it trans friendly by just including trans women as women and trans men as men, and I hate to be the one to break it to you but all you did was trade out bioessentialism for gender essentialism and both are just as toxic.

I’m not asking anyone to self flagellate over this, but I am asking you, if you find yourself agreeing with the TERF, to take a step back and ask some serious questions about what you’ve been believing about trans men and tbh trans people in general cause I can guarantee y’all have been engaging in transmisogyny and exorsexism too.

*If you characterize this group as consisting entirely of transfems and no one else when there are plenty of self identified TMEs making the same arguments and one notorious guy that stalks the transandrophobia tag to make this exact argument, please just don’t say anything on this post.

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bft-max-the-discourser

3 months ago

It might be me but I dont think tumblr user LobotomizeMen would have trans men's safety in mind

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bft-max-the-discourser

4 months ago

this person is 24 years of age.

some good replies in the ratio though

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bft-max-the-discourser

4 months ago

So tumblr just recommended me an "anti-feminist" "men's rights activist" post and like

The message of the post is wonderful, I personally think we should uplift men more, but at the same time it makes me think about how we as a society treat men's rights.

Men's rights are seen as the antithesis to "modern" feminism (we'll get to that later.) Rather than an accompanying movement. Why is it that people believe uplifting one group must come at the cost of putting someone else down? There are not a finite amount of rights to be given, everyone can and should be treated with the respect that they deserve.

You most often see men's rights posts associated with MGTOW or some other sexist, anti-feminist ideology, and because of that, people tend to dismiss any and all men's rights content without thinking. That drives men to feel that their only option for support and validation is accounts that are also constantly putting down women and "modern" feminists.

But the idea of "modern" feminism is laughable at best. MGTOWS will paint this picture of a lazy, ugly, angry woman who is demanding special treatment simply because she has a vagina. Are there people like that who call themselves feminists? Absolutely, but anyone that takes more than a surface dive into the movement with an open mind will see just how far women's rights still have to go.

But blogs like this will still use that picture of the horrible "misandrist modern feminist" to pit people against each other when really what we should be doing is coming together. Historically, feminists have not shied away from issues that also affect men, but you'll also find that many feminists will even focus on issues specific to men.

Men deserve more positivity posts and safe spaces that don't come from blogs that spout misogynistic viewpoints. Men deserve to be uplifted, because so often, we all forget that when it comes to emotional development, they get left by the wayside. Men deserve to be told that they're valuable and good people, because so often this website vilifies them.

But the only way to do that successfully is to remove the stigma around men's rights accounts that they're all MGTOW anti-feminists and the only way to do that, is to make better blogs about men's rights that don't divide us.

Men's rights should work in tandem with women's rights, not against them. Everyone deserves to be respected, and the first step is to respect each other.

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bft-max-the-discourser

1 month ago

ofc the person saying intersex people can't be trans if they don't conform to the sex binary and mtf or ftm "standard" also recommends the platform that's actively erasing us intersex and transmasc people

and to archive their latest take on us:

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bft-max-the-discourser

3 months ago

it's amazing how some TERFs will just admit that their primary grievance is being sex pests entitled to pussy and they don't like there being less people to have drunk hookups with.

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bft-max-the-discourser

3 months ago

People will really act like talia bhatt just has haters because she's a brown trans woman and not that she's an asshole who covers up her caste status, lashes out at random trans women who she thinks are slighting her, comes up with racist theories about how all genders from other cultures are just misgendered binary trans women with no input from queer people from those cultures, and lied about the existence of a cult and the harm of its survivors. It's just because miss radical feminism: trans flavor is all these minority identities.

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bft-max-the-discourser

4 months ago

I regret to announce the self-identified TMEs are projecting their barely restrained misogyny onto other trans men again

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bft-max-the-discourser

4 months ago

It's funny to me that the same people who wax poetic about how they'd Never pedojack a transfem, will just read some posts about posts about how transmascs are seeking to destroy the concept of transmisogyny for the sick masculine pleasure of oppressing women, and automatically believe it. Like, clearly you are unable to actually hone the ability not fall for transphobic smear campaigns lol.

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bft-max-the-discourser

4 months ago