In Various Places -- Here, The Bird App, Even YouTube Comments -- I Keep Running Into People With Some

In various places -- here, the bird app, even YouTube comments -- I keep running into people with some variation of the same question:

Anonymous asked:
I see a ton of SVSSS stuff on tumblr and am kinda curious but the teacher/student romance aspect kinda puts me off…is it worth reading anyway?

"Does Scum Villain have a teacher/student romance?" And every time I want to answer with: No, But Also Yes, But Also Not Really, It's Complicated (And That's On Purpose.)

Which is an answer that's too long to fit in a tweet or a YT comment, but fortunately tumblr has no (effective) post limit! So here I go.

1 - No

In the very straight forward porn cliche sense of "oh but professor, I really ~need~ to pass this class or my life will be ruined, can't I do ~anything~ to get you to change my grade?" *bats lashes* and "Hoho, my pretty young teen student, I've got your good grade right here in my pants, if you ~apply~ yourself..." then no.

No sex or romance between a teacher and their student in the bounds of a teacher-student relationship happens in this book. No deliberate grooming of an underage student on the part of a teacher occurs in this book. No sex or a romance between an adult character and an underage character occurs in this book, nor is the adult 'waiting' for the minor to reach adulthood to initiate one.

2 - But Also Yes

No sex or romance between a teacher and their student in the bounds of that relationship happens in this book. Two people who were formerly in a teacher and student relationship do enter into a sexual and romantic relationship by the end of the book. Also the nature of the society they're in further means that even though they are no longer in the schooling environment, it is socially assumed that the deference owed by a student to their teacher lasts forever, even after the student leaves that environment, and they continue to regard themselves and refer to themselves in those roles even though the teacher no longer strictly speaking has authority over the student.

Also, the student was really hot for his teacher even when he was still a student. (The teacher was oblivious to this fact.)

3 - But Also Not Really

By the time sex and romance is even on the horizon for these characters, their relationship has so drastically changed from that of a "teacher and student" that it is barely recognizeable as such. The power/authority dynamic between a teacher and their student is subsumed pretty much entirely by the facts that:

A. The 'student' has become a medeival fantasy warlord of such unsurpassable magic and might that literally no other person in this world can stand up against him, 'teacher' included, and the 'teacher' is well aware of that.

B. Also, the 'student' is metaphysically endowed (heh) with the Protagonist Halo, a literally active force within the setting they're part of, which means that not only can he not be defeated, he ontologically cannot be denied anything that he desires; what he wants, he gets, and what he doesn't want, cannot be forced on him.

C. ...But also, the teacher in this setting is a metaphysical outsider to the world order the student is part of, which means that he is aware of all of the above, and can and does manipulate it to suit his own agenda, which may or may not align with giving the student what he wants at any point in time. Assuming that the teacher has the correct understanding of what the student wants. (He doesn't.)

In Various Places -- Here, The Bird App, Even YouTube Comments -- I Keep Running Into People With Some

D. ........But also also, for all his power, one harsh word from him can destroy him. For all his knowledge, one tear can devastate him. (Which one? Both.)

4 - It's Complicated (On Purpose)

*throws the chalk against the wall*

Between a teacher and their student, who has the power? Between an emperor and a scholar, who has the power? Between a hero and the villain he is predestined to destroy, who has the power? Between a character and the reader who's read ahead to the end of the story, who has the power? Do we find some of these power imbalances more acceptable than others? And if so, why do we?

Trying to track Who Has The Power or Who Has An Unfair Advantage socially, physically, and metaphysically between this particular pair of characters is damn near impossible and that's on purpose.

The Scum Villain's Self Saving System is a lot of things, but one thing that absolutely defines it is that it is a parody. It's a parody and a deconstruction of a lot of things -- the 'stallion' genre, the 'isekai' genre, the 'pay-per-chapter webnovel' genre, the 'gay drama' genre and, most relevant to this conversation, it is a deconstruction of teacher-student romance.

What kind of a teacher-student romance has a clueless, fish-out-of water NEET in the role of the Wise Old Mentor? What kind of a teacher-student romance has a black-hearted, demonic, domineering feudal warlord in the role of the Blushing Virginal Student? What kind of a teacher-student romance has the two principals so close in age -- by the end of the book, they may be as little as a year apart -- that they're more like peers than teacher and student? What kind of audience are we, going into a story like this one and finding ourselves cheering for the teacher to fall in love and lust with his student, only to be disappointed when that doesn't happen because the teacher fails for three books straight to recognize love and lust when it's literally looking him in the face and crying?

Asking "does Scum Villain have a teacher-student romance?" is sort of like asking "does Galaxy Quest have a lot of high science fiction concepts?" No, but also yes, but also not really. It's complicated, and that's on purpose.

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I love Doksoo because that's the writer/reader relationship of my dreams. I also wish I have a reader who comments on my every chapter for every detail that I write about, someone who supports and loves my stories. I also wish I can talk to authors in a way that makes them motivated to write even more, in a way that they listen to my headcanons and spoil me by writing about my OC. I also wish to become a writer that motivates another person to speak up for themself because I'm also a reader who wants to feel cared for when I'm reading a story even if I isolate myself away from the narrative because I don't do self-insert lmao sorry. 😅

I understand maybe more people like the protagonist more than the reader and the writer because, for one reason amongst others, they probably grew up shipping themselves with a character or just imagining themselves as part of the story. But I, as reader and a writer, just want to share stories with a special person in a way that we study the characters and create worlds out of our imagination. Dokja/Sooyoung are like this to me and if I want them married and in love like Singsong, the married couple who wrote ORV together, it's nothing about sexuality or gender. It's all about sharing stories/souls.


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A stylized digital illustration of a genderbent Grian with an energetic, mischievous expression. She has short cropped blonde hair with two long pieces in front of her ears, bangs, and wears a pair of brown goggles resting on her head. Her attire includes a sleeveless black turtleneck top, fingerless black gloves, and a large red shawl with yellow tassels and heart-shaped embroidery in green, yellow, and red. The shawl drapes over her shoulders and arms.

Grian is holding two lit sticks of dynamite, one in each hand. The fuses are sparking, glowing bright yellow. Their pose is dynamic, with one arm raised slightly and the other held low, emphasizing movement.
A stylized digital illustration of Scar, a muscular woman with tan skin, closed eyes, and a warm smile. She has shoulder-length, wavy brown hair with a small tuft sticking up at the top, and pointed elf-like ears. 

Scar is wearing a loose, white button-up shirt with the top few buttons undone, revealing part of her chest. The sleeves are rolled up to her elbows, showing her toned forearms, and the fabric appears slightly wrinkled. She is scarred all over her skin, including across her face. She also wears brown pants held up by a dark brown belt with a golden buckle. Her right hand is raised in a casual wave, fingers slightly spread apart, while her left hand rests at her side.
A stylized digital illustration of Grian and Scar, two genderbent women, standing side by side with playful expressions while wearing each other’s outfits. Above them, handwritten text reads, "Two baddies who are tired of getting their clothes mixed up." with arrows pointing to each of them.

Grian, on the left, has cropped blonde hair with long pieces in the front, and wears a pair of purple-tinted goggles on her head. She is dressed in Scar’s loose white button-up shirt, which is slightly oversized on her, and dark pants. Underneath, she still wears her black sleeveless turtleneck. She has a confident, amused expression, her eyes closed and mouth open in a grin. Her hand is on her head in an "Ah, of course!" gesture.

Scar, on the right, has shoulder-length wavy brown hair with a small tuft sticking up at the top and pointed elf-like ears. She is wearing Grian’s red shawl with colorful heart embroidery and yellow tassels draped over her shoulder, along with her usual brown pants and belt. It is very tight on her and almost shows her left boob. She is shirtless underneath the shawl, revealing toned arms with scars. She has a wide, toothy smile and is scratching the back of her head, looking sheepish and amused.
A stylized digital illustration of Scar and Grian, two genderbent women, hugging tightly against a dramatic desert landscape at sunset.

Scar, in the foreground, has shoulder-length, gray-brown hair with a small tuft sticking up at the top. She is facing away from the viewer, holding Grian tightly. Scar wears a weathered white button-up shirt, which is dirty and scuffed, along with dark pants. Her skin is grey with dark nails and pale scars, representing Scar's red life. 

Grian, hugging Scar and partially out of view, has short, choppy blonde hair in a Ramona Flowers-style cut with bangs. Her eyes are visible over Scar’s shoulder, glaring with rage. She wears a red shawl with golden tassels, a black sleeveless top, and black gloves. Grian’s gloved hands grip the back of Scar’s shirt, showing desperation.

The background features a desert at sunset, with dark silhouettes of cacti and rock formations. The sky is an intense red-orange, fading into deep purple, creating a dramatic and foreboding atmosphere. The lighting casts a red-hot glow on the characters.
A sketch-style digital illustration in monochrome pink featuring Scar and Grian in a comedic scene referencing the "Woah Hey!" moment from Dungeon Meshi.

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In the background, Grian has an exaggerated, cartoonish reaction. She’s waving both hands frantically, looking completely shocked and flustered. Her short Ramona Flowers-style haircut is drawn extra wavy to emphasize the movement and chaos of the moment. There is a large speech bubble above her head exclaiming, “WOAH HEY!"

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A sketched digital illustration of Scar and Grian, two genderbent women sharing a kiss.

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Grian, on the right, cups Scar's face as she leans into the kiss. She has a short, choppy Ramona Flowers-style haircut. She isn't wearing her gloves or shawl, showing off her black halter top. Part of a wing tattoo is visible on her shoulder blade.

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A writer and her reader <3

[ID: Image two shows the original photo, where two dolls are in the same poses. End ID]

Ty to @/princess-of-purple-prose for writing the alt text!


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