Oldest Dream Would Have Loved His Elder Self No Matter What.

Oldest dream would have loved his elder self no matter what.

Kim dokja might hate his younger self terribly, but I think OD must have fantasized about being a good grown up, unlike the others that were around him.

So as long as it is Kim dokja we are talking about, he fulfills the category of someone trustworthy, kind and reliable. (even though a bit mentally unstable)

[so why "monster"? Well, if it really is Kim dokja, then isn't self hate a trait he's always had?]

I'm a firm believer that if Kim dokja had reacted kindly to the revelation of oldest dream, OD would have cried that at least there will come a time when he wouldn't hate himself as much.

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9 months ago

There's a giant dragon following me around.

I do not know his name. Though I have asked, several times. He is quite large, and very terrifying.

But I do not believe he means me harm.

There have been several times....

In the storm.

With the pirates.

That.... thing.... I don't know what it was, but he ate it.

I would have been scared once. Would have trembled in my boots with fear.

But I have grown since then.

(I have faced far worse then him)

It has been many years. Yet still he follows me.

I believe I know why he does it. Why he follows me.

Sometimes I wonder if he'll ever leave.

I think he will. With the rest. More and more are leaving these days. I will miss him. When my shadow disappears from the sea.

I do not want him to leave without a name.

I will call him Loyal. For that is what he is.

Toothless is jealous. But. He understands.

I fear he understands too much these days.

He is so young. So old. So small. So fierce.

They are the last two now.

Toothless and Loyal. Loyal and Toothless.

.

Last night Loyal disappeared.

My memoirs are almost finished.

Toothless is still here.

I do not want to live in a world without Toothless.

There's a tiny dragon who follows me around.

6 months ago

secretive plotter asks the awesome question what if you were born with a hole inside of you and you knew it was there and you did not know how to fill it so you spend lifetimes chasing the one thing that might give you just a hint of a clue of why you were made like this. and you do all of that waiting just to be told you are still too early. so you wait some more. you wait eons, alone, drifting through an endless void until finally you find - something. something that you think might just be what you were made for. but he's not for you. so you get to see the being you were made for curl up inside someone else when you know you could hold them too. and then you have to live with that!


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7 months ago

one thing i enjoy about orv is how morally grey kim dokja is, especially in the beginning. during the beginning of the novel kim dokja seems to have almost no empathy for the people around him, and his number one priority is progressing the scenarios with himself being a secondary priority and saving others coming later. he does undeniable good, like saving jung heewon and caring for lee gilyoung - and he does some much more questionable things, like selling his food for coins knowing that it will disappear soon and people need the coins to survive.

this part of orv gets ignored a lot and chalked up to kim dokja's self-hatred, which i disagree with. yes he hates himself and yes he's an unreliable narrator who paints his actions in a worse light because of it but sometimes he just does objectively bad things. and it's interesting when he does! particularly in the beginning, he is focused completely on self-preservation and often steps on others in the process. his actions force you to ask questions like how responsible is kim dokja for those deaths on the subway car, or at that first subway station? is he obligated to try and save the people around him? how strong is that obligation? is it right of him to use his future knowledge the way he does, to decide who lives and dies? they're fairly basic questions, and orv doesn't particularly insist on answering them, but i enjoyed thinking about them nonetheless. the fact is kim dokja was often cruel, to strangers and his companions both, if different types. and you lose these questions when you ignore that. and thats not even to discuss the parallels between his exploitation of yoo joonghyuk's story and the way constellations gobble up incarnations while enjoying their pain. even if yoo joonghyuk eventually decides he considers it worth it, kim dokja still subsisted off of a living being's immeasurable pain for years, and that's a fucked up thing!

and to ignore kim dokja's less-than-moral actions also ignores kim dokja's character arc! kim dokja feels guilt at the end of orv for actions he wouldn't have thought twice about at the beginning and that is because he has changed and matured over the course of the novel and pretending he was always that way erases that. and i dont see why you would want to!! his journey towards seeing his companions as human and learning to care about the 'extras' he previously discarded and coming to understand the damage he inflicts with his self-sacrifice is interesting to watch and discuss. i've seen the stark contrast in empathy from early kim dokja to later kim dokja chalked up to sinshong not being quite sure how to write him yet and while i think that may have played a role i also think they did a good job of building and showing these changes through arcs like the demon world arc, the fruit of good and evil arc and the journey to the west arc

i think i lost my point somehwere but in summary kim dokja does some fucked up shit and some of it is basic edgelord apocalypse murder and some of it is genuinely interesting to contemplate and all of it is important to his character


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