"Trans men and women are both suffering" and "trans women are often specifically targeted by bigotry and harassment even within their own communities and deserve to be able to talk about their own unique challenges without being talked over" and "trans men are often erased from conversations about how bigotry and transphobia targets them and are not exempt from all the horribly draconian laws transphobes are attempting to pass" and "being trans doesn't make you immune to participating in horrible transmisogyny even and especially if you aren't aware you're doing it" and "holy shit don't reinvent bioessentialism but for trans people like holy fuck men are not destined to be evil and women aren't automatically incapable of harm" are all opinions that can and fucking SHOULD coexist
trans unity
the only reason anyone would care about which minority has power over another minority group is to sow division between the two minority groups btw
united we stand, divided we fall
I love you trans men, if you're a man and you're trans you are automatically cool actually, I love transmascs
"terfs love cis women and thats why they love trans men/mascs"
those are not the same thing unless you yourself think they are worstie <3
I really am coming to hate the way performative horniness is used to signifiy support, especially for trans people.
"OMG I LOVE TRANS WOMEN I JUST GO FERAL FOR THEM STEP ON ME MOMMY"
Okay, cool, so you'll be there on your knees begging the trans woman to be your perfect sexual goddess, but will you be sitting on the couch and be normal when she wants to rant about her shitty day at work or if she just wants to order takeout and watch Netflix?
"I LOVE MEN WITH PUSSIES GIVE ME SCUBA GEAR CAUSE ILL BE GOING DOWN ON HIM FOR HOURS"
Great, so you want get all up in the trans man's pussy with the presumption he'll be your submissive bottom, but where are you going to be when he has a breakdown after a 3-hour call with insurance or he says he'd rather just spend time working on a 1000-piece puzzle?
Was doing some light reading, and came across this paper that reminded me of discourse from a few weeks back.
Anyone remember when that post was floating around about how "theyfab" was actually invented by transfems to make fun of trans men/enbies who use their AGAB as a shield to protect themselves against criticism? Basically leveraging "oh I'm just a female, I'm so innocent", strawman bullshit?
Then others chimed in about how it actually came from 4chan as a way to mock enbies who aren't "trans enough"?
Well, here's an actual academic source on the issue, to shove a knife in this whole argument, as I'm sure it'll pop up again:
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Sure looks like the "transandrobros" were right once again
Straight from an actual academic paper
"Theyfab" is infact 4chan lingo made to shit on people "not doing trans right" and isn't some transfem counter culture buzzword like some people claim it to be
I wonder if the transfems that hate on trans men and transmascs realize that demonizing masculinity actually harms their masculine transfem sisters, as well as closeted/pre-E transfems as well.
trans women + transfeminine people largely and overwhelmingly accept and love trans men + transmasculine people. btw. I know sometimes the internet might seem the opposite way, but it isn’t. There are far more trans women + transfems who see trans men + transmasculine people as siblings sharing in the same fight than there are trans women + transfems who do not feel kinship or solidarity with transmasculine people. I promise. There are transfems + trans women you’ll come to know who care a lot about transmasculine people and the oppression they deal with, and have suffered for extending that care to their siblings. I just really think it’s important to remind everyone that the loud minority here is just that — a loud minority.
Transmascs + men — trans women are your sisters and they love you and want you here. Do not let anyone convince you that’s not true. There are transfems + trans women affected by antitransmasculinity who see it and care. You’re not alone. If anyone tries to convince you that you are, they don’t have your best interest at heart. We are not alone. This goes to transfems + trans women being told “we’re the only people you are safe with”. People who care about your safety want you to know there are many places you can go to find safety. They want to inspire hope and change not hopelessness and paranoia and isolation.
Anyways, happy new year. Big bear hugs.
I figure when you’re involved in any discourse you’re more likely to see the best of the people you agree with and the worst of those you disagree with. So I’ve been trying to follow “both sides” of the discourse. Not because I actually agree with the anti-transmasc crowd, dear god no, but so I can have an easier time keeping an eye out for transmisogynists on our “side”
Buuuuut
I rarely see any actual transmisogyny?? Most of the time it’s strawman arguments accusing the entire transmasc community of something or other, or trying to police what words they can use.
The rest of the posts are stuff like “these vile transandrodorks HATE all trans women and think we should SHUT UP and DIE FOREVER” with no screenshots to back it up or show who said it.
Over and over: “transandrobros think trans women aren’t oppressed!” and “transandophobia-truthers are telling trans women they’re all lying about their experiences!” and “transandrodorks say transmisogyny isn’t real!”
WHO IS SAYING THIS!?
They can’t keep telling people this is what we believe without any proof! And if a substantial of people on our side are really saying this shit, I can’t find them!
I’ve blocked like, a handful of actual transmisogynists in the transandrophobia tag. Two of them were obvious cryptoterfs. One of them was cis. Please tell me where all the rest of these transphobic people are so we can report and deplatform them, jesus christ.
It’s also so much harder to find them when these assholes cry “transmisogyny” every time a trans man tries to talk about his own oppression. Or points out something they’re saying is hurting transmascs. Or breathes.
And for the record I’m not talking about the transmisogyny tag. Transmisogyny is absolutely real and a huge problem in queer circles. I’m looking at discourse blogs in particular.
It’s just… ugh. :/
The only transmisogyny I've seen from within the trans community has been from other trans women/fems, accusing trans women/fems who speak out against transandrophobia of being secretly men, or brainwashed.
Never seen a trans man act like that towards a trans woman/fem.
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