However, I Do Wonder How And Why AFO Came To The Conclusion That He Needed A Vessel Powered By Hate To

This scene lives rent free in my head 🫣

Also I wonder why Nine is nude inside that tank but Shigaraki was using a swimsuit in the same situation:

Ujiko is such a naughty bastard lol.

I find funny how the anime constantly makes Shigaraki look like Lou Ferrigno in terms of muscles, in some cases his head looks like it doesn't belong to his own body:

But then you have Horikoshi drawing him like this...

Like sure, the muscles are still there but he's not this giant hulk with biceps the size of his head.

Even the manga in the first war arc doesn't have him looked like the anime does:

And I remember even the wiki copes with the idea that the surgery was supposed to give him extra muscles, but that was never stated officially and in any case his natural muscles came from the training in MVA.

Idk what's this obssesion the anime has for making all male characters buff as hell, even Dabi when canonically he's also a pipsqueak.

I still find interesting how Nine not only looks like he got physical traits from both AFO and Yoichi, but his eyes especially look like a mix of both.

The grey/silver iris color of All For One, but with white pupils like Yoichi and that thick black circle around the iris.

All them have beautiful eyes, but Nine's are especially beautiful and haunting.

Perhaps the best eyes in all MHA.

Also you can't say Nine isn't somehow related to the Shigaraki bros... this can't be just a coincidence.

Call me crazy, but considering how manipulative Dabi showed he can be I wouldn't discard his whole Stain fanboy persona is just a performance.

I mean put that scene of him saying "I'll fulfill Stain will" in context: in that moment the recruits actually believed Stain was actively working with Shigaraki and the LOV was a group that would follow the ideals of Chizome.

That obviously wasn't the case, but Dabi probably make up the story just for fit in the organization and later after seeing not even Spinner (the biggest Stain fanboy) give a crap about the ideals of the hero killer, Dabi just dropped the act completely and acted more like himself.

Which isn't very different from his usual self. Let's be real when he actually put in practice any of Stain actual ideals or there was some sort of callback between both characters?

I think it's actually Fanon Dabi the version that always exaggerate his supposed Stain fanboy persona, generally in an attempt to make him more sympathetic and an antihero of sorts. Coincidentally most of this fanon material cames from the era when we didn't have much context of him and people still believed for some reason that Dabi could have been trying to help his family (for some reason).

Ah btw Dabi in the manga is still comically skinny and not really that different from his debut and many times he looks like he float inside his own clothes, but the anime for some reason makes him look super ripped despite it doesn't make any sense for his character.

I much prefer Dabi's body in the manga btw, not every guy needs to have a super bulky physique to be attactive.

Hi, I did a big mulling (lol) on the whole moral aspect of Dabi and his killings. Especially considering my own au.

Look let's not kid ourselves here. It would be impossible for Besties au or canon for dabi to be "pure" aka never kill anyone. Boy was on the streets after waking up from a coma in a creepy hospital.

"a good Samaritan in the villain side took him in" ok maybe but even this good Samaritan would still be a villain and Dabi wouldn't be save of killing. Even if is self defense.

The discourse I mentioned in my channel on....ironically called Discord was about how dabi killing bad peoples works better than killing innocent people. I get the fallacy of this logic. I get the appeal.

We see characters like Punisher and we root for him bc "he is killing bad people" which makes him good in comparison. I used to like that, who didn't? But consider this idea: One villain killed the anti-hero's wife. One, and the anti hero responds by going on a rampage.

"he is angry she is dead, it's grief" he still kills a lot of people and shows no remorse.

(nothing against Anti heroes characters per se. I do love Jason Todd even if I agree how DC mistreated him, I like Bucky. I can't like Punisher through)

The thing here is if Dabi only killed bad people how we would know if the people he killed were bad to warrant the death penalty?

"dabi only killed rapist and pedos" ok. How he would know if a person committed those crimes? Waiting for the person to shout to the world all the horrible things he did on this fine Tuesday?

(this all is making me think of a case of lynching in my country, a person was accused of committed a crime, a group of the small city wanted justice and ....went to make on their own hands....turns out the person was Innocent. They killed an innocent person)

Besides killing is killing. Even if Dabi has concrete proof the people he killed are EVIL. He still took a life, he is still unaffected about it (not saying if dabi kills a rapist he should weep, but you can't exactly be so blase about it)

(I even think if Dabi goes around killing only bad people, in this case, villains....wouldn't that make others villains wry of LoV for keeping dabi? If we have a hero killer. What if we have a villain killer?)

My point on this long ass thread is how in besties au dabi has killed, ofc he did, even if is for survival...and that sticks with him. He doesn't like killing. It weights on him.

"and Endy?" Yes. He wants to kill Dabi. He wants to destroy Endy and in besties he is doing a good job. He is proactive (unlike Mr. Possum)

But the killing weights on him.

Smth I don't think it does on the heroes who kill in canon. They are sure the villains they kill are evil (I mean, I get why) and no need to think twice, right hawks?

But it's odd seeing villain stans defending dabi killing any villain without remorse and try to justify "they are evil"

Well.....

If that was the case...all the LoV deserved their fates as they are terrorists who killed lots of people, wage a war and more.

Hi @mikeellee 👋

Agreed! There is no way within Canon that dabi has never killed anyone at all. Actually, we only see dabi physically kill people after he joins the league of villains, whether that be with failed lov recruits or heroes dabi has killed.

However, in chapter 290, dabi states that he has cannonically killed over 30 innocent people. Now, I have talked about this in the @sapphic-agent post, but the framing of that panel seems to be there to humanise enji while dehumanising dabi.

How does dabi know these people are innocent?

Why did he mention the fact that they were innocent? Why didn't he just say he killed thirty people?

All of this makes me think that dabi thinks that he accidentally killed the people in the hospital.

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What if dabi thinks he killed all of the individuals in the hospital?

I agree dabi's kill count feels incredibly forced almost as if its just there to demonise dabi and make the audience more sympathetic toward

Ultimately, dabi would have realistically had to kill in self-defense. Imagine a young teenage boy obviously covered in major scaring, roaming the streets for scraps or anything to survive. That would be an easy target for people to use, rob, or do whatever they think of doing to him. Dabi would have had to quickly learn self-defense and how to survive on the street, and it shows that he did learn by his appearance.

The first time we see dabi in chapter 68, we see just how scrawny and skinny he is. He ends up gaining weight and muscle after joining the league, yet his first appearance definitely depicts him as malnourished and the increased burn scars definitely mean that he has been using his quirks ever since he was on the street for various reasons.

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A lot of Endeavor's dramatics (for lack of a word) seems to come from his privilege. He says he's willing to dance in hell, but his version

Dabi killing bad people or who he views as a bad person makes sense and is actually very in character for him. A dominant characteristic of dabi that fanon seems to undermine is that he is a huge Stain fanboy/follower. His first introduction, he announces that he plans to make the hero killers will a reality.

However, we do fall into the problem of dabi pushing his own moral views (which let's be real dabi has some very concerning views) that would be a problem. Or how does he know that this specific individual he is killing is a bad person? There's so much this is the same character who was shown to have some very misogynistic and victim blaming views, so that would be a rocky hill for him to go down on.

All of this could definitely be a great idea to explore and could easily dive deep into dabi's mentality and how that might change over the course of the series.

It is absolutely a great idea to make dabi killing weigh on him whether they're innocent or evil. Those are still people. They are still lives, they breathe, weep, form complex thoughts, bleed red etc they are people, they could be dabi and his body or the body of his loved ones could be next.

While Canon doesn't truly focus on it, it does highlight the fact that dabi does feel regret to a certain extent. Dabi is upset, and he knows, realises, and accepts that he is a bad person. It is exactly why he believes that he belongs in gell with his father. It is why all of his conversations with enji mention BOTH of them suffering and being in hell together for their sins.

There is an anime only scene with a hero cornering dabi asking him if he regrets killing and dabi doesn't respond directly, but we are shown a scene of a bloody tear falling from his face.

There is also a manga page where dabi remembers snatch and directly says that killing him drove him crazy thinking about it with a tear coming from his eye.

There's no other quirks which explicit purpose is heal like R.G but I guess we can count quirks with a secondary use for heal.

Eri and Chisaki are the most obvious examples of having perfect quirks for healing if used in the proper way, despite Rewind and Overhaul can be used for much more.

In the 2nd movie we have Katsuma and his dad, they both have a Cell Activation quirk which is often mistaken as a healing quirk (because Nine wants it to fix his contition) but as Katsuma sister says they weren't sure if his quirk could be used for heal, and the dad of the kids isn't even a doctor.

That being said Cell Activation can indeed be used for heal wounds and such, but its primary effect is stabilize cells and even can unleash the potential inside them which serves as a big power boost, reason why Nine wanted it so much.

Now based on what we seen in the series about medicine, is safe to assume the reason of why even people with healing quirks aren't prominent doctors is because technology makes such quirks less useful.

I mean think about this for a moment, even if we don't count Garaki's crazy ass tech to bring people back from death and crete bioweapons on AM level, the general medical tech in MHA is ridiculously good. They can heal almost everything in short time and get people back in action in less than a month as we seen after the first war.

Recovery Girl probably became a well know doctor and was relevant back in the day because when she was young medical tech wasn't good enough, but in the current time of the series it evolved enough to the point a person like Katsuma dad despite having an excellent quirk for healing didn't bother on persue a medical career.

I see your rank about water based quirks, and it's quite interesting because I've commented the same thing on reddit before and people seem to agree on the fact water quirks have little representation of MHA.

Not only because they are portrayed as way weaker that any other elemental quirk, but usually pure water quirks (not ice ones) only belong to minor and diposable character.

You have:

-Manual "the normal hero" which is sort of a joke character which most prominent moment was keep Aizawa and Monoma's eyes hydratated.

-The firefighter hero from the first episode which I don't think appears ever again and he's only there to extinsguish fire.

-Kota parents are dead imao, and Kota himself is just a child so his quirk doesn't really come into play.

-There was an unnamed villain in the USJ attack who controls water but he's fooder.

While other elemental quirks have a lot of characters which are depicted as really overpower by MHA standards. For example:

-Fire has Endeavor, Dabi and Bakugou to an extent. Self explanatory in this case.

-Air has Inasa, who was probably the most powerful student of his generation before any quirk awakening bs from Class A. Inasa even was stopping Sad Man Parade by himself at one point.

-Earth has Cementoss who was described as op in urban enviorenments, Shindo who is way more powerful than people give him credit for, and if we count metal here Wolfram from the first movie was a really powerful fighter.

So yeah, the difference between water with the rest of the elements is kinda big. Even ice users aren't treated as particulary powerful in the story.

Geten needed to train his whole life without go to school and have a quirk awakening but had problems with a Dabi who was holding back, and he lose against Cementoss for some reason despite there wasn't concrete during their battle.

Shoto is a special case, because notice how the story always treats his fire side as the real powerhouse and not his ice. I mean even Endeavor thinks on the ice quirk as just a way to baypass the overheat rather than a power Shoto can make shine on it's own, isn't that ironic? The ice in Shoto is just a patch for the weakness of his strong side, not this perfect balance between elements.

Perhaps the only truly badass water quirk user we have (despite he's treated as fooder as well) is the nameless leader of the Cider House gang.

Seriously I love this guy for some reason. His design and quirk are awesome, and he's such a fun minor villain.

Wish we had more content of him and his real name, despite calling him Cider is funny.

Hi @nyc3

So before I answer your ask...let me ask you this: where is the others' healing quirks? Is R.G the only one who has this quirk? Bc if so that raises some questions...so are all the doctors quirkless? I´m especualting here as Hori has no desire to do worldbuilding but if we take this as true...then Izu could have been a doctor.

"Quirkless doctors face discrimination" its something I can see someone saying IF the quirkless are the doctors and this is so supremely dumb. I don't think quirkless discrimination IS a thing in the text, what we have is IZU BEING ABUSED.

Now as for the question...yeah, people in MHA prefer quirks that are stronger, fire IS strong...but then again, on the same wavelength, they don´t care to know more about quirks (Izu is seen as the odd ball for analyzing quirks when this should be the obvious, everyone should have a quirk analyst)

Endy wanted a child from a woman whose quirk is ice. Still, he looks down on water type quirks...while yes, he did that to make sure his kid has a cool off system in him for the fire (HIS PLAN IS SO DUMB HOLY SHIT). I ask, ignoring the implications, if he wants to do a quirk marriage and thinks FIRE is the best, why not marry someone who already has a quirk?

Water is seen as weak and I don´t get why. Maybe Hori has some bias on the power scale.

Wind is something Inasa has but... let's be real, Inasa is an ass in canon. He is an Endy´s fanboy and hates Shoto bc Endy didn´t smile at Inasa...entitled fan much? (I HATE HOW PEOPLE MAKE IZU BE THE CREEPY FAN WHEN WE DO HAVE CANON CREEPY FANS)

Hori doesn't seem to care to make powers interesting...nor consistent.

Look at BK, how many quirk awakenings this asshole had?

To make this short, I believe is not about the power, is how you use...and no one in mha wants to think outside the box.

(on that note, why Toga is the only one who has a transformative quirk?)

That's the magic of MHA secundary characters, they're blanks ready to be filled by our own ideas.

Sadly no, we never got an official name for the Cider House members not even the leader himself despite his dope looking design and cool quirk. He really got a lot of style and good presentation for a minor villain used to glaze Shoto.

Mustard is really a case on his own. He got all the basis for being a fascinating character, yet he appears even less than Cider House leader ironically. He doesn't have a name either.

So chapter 1 is already beta, and now my beta reader is helping me with chapter 2. This weekend will post the fic

I have a question...What you think Cinder does when he´s on, hum, let´s say off days?

Cool, I'm excited to read the final version.

So about Cider hobbies, I did mention some times that he's a surfer but that doesn't limit to the sea. After all he uses his quirk to surf in land as well.

Can we call his activity urban surfing? Pretty sure he's one of the few people who can pull off such sport lol.

I can imagine him going with his friends or solo to a derelic industrial complex or a scenario like that, a place with a lot of obstacles were practice his style for fun and training at the same time.

He's also a very good graffiti artist who likes to leave his own mark in a lot of places. Very standar for a gang to do so, but Cider likes a bit more of personality for his own graffiti.

He probably has an artistic side even if he doesn't realize that. And most likely Cider is the kind of guy who consume mangas more because of the pretty art than the story itself lol.

Midoriya probably was surprised they share a common interest on some geek stuff. I can see them having lazy days of just chill and cuddling, both reading mangas of different genres with some music in the background and making comments here and there about the story and characters.

This was also the hair of a homeless man:

I saw this meme and it reminded me of them when I saw each photo😭

I hope it was just the wind that made afo’s hair like that…

I think I'm in love with Giulio Gandini already

Megumi got this for his room:

Eepy baby

It's funny cus what @thr0wnawayy mentions is sort of what happens in the fight of Cider House and Bakugou, as C.H shooting water beams at high preasure was giving BK a lot of problems and was Shoto who defeated Cider (even if there's problems with that too).

Realistically a lot of quirks should be a complete danger for everyone in the battlefield, explosions are just one example. But what about any fire quirk? Shoto almost killed Shindo once, but obviously outside that very specific case Horikoshi never make a big deal out of the dangers of using fire in the wrong situation even if that's even more dangerous than explosions if you ask me.

Or what about Mina shooting literal acid, how tf that's not dangerous in any situation? We seen that shit disolving everything in the blink of an eye, how she even uses it and not kill every villain? It's silly.

Quirks are dangerous only if Horikoshi decides to make them dangerous. Which is giant flaw in the logic to introduce the concept of "villanous quirks" that seems to be a big social issue.

What's even a "villanous quirk" then? Brainwash is super horrible but burn people with fire/acid isn't?

What bothers me the most about Izuku's character is that it seems like he can't feel anything, like because he can't be angry with what happens to him, you know why he can't have negative feelings towards Bakugou? This admiration he has for the bomb boy is not normal and healthy, it reminds me of Stockholm Syndrome. Bakugou stans say that Izuku is boring, but when talking about this thing about him not being angry with Bakugou, they keep saying that we don't understand Izuku's character. What's your opinion? Am I exaggerating?

I don't think you're exaggerating. In fact, I think it's deliberate on Horikoshi's part.

I began to realize Izuku's character was regressing the minute I first came across this scene:

This is the only scene I can justify hating Izuku's character because it was such an out of pocket line coming from him. And it kind of stuck in my head for weeks because it felt so OOC. Like, Izuku of all characters pushing for Todoroki to forgive Endeavor? It made no sense to me.

But do you see how it pans to Bakugou?

To me, this is Horikoshi indirectly attempting to absolve Bakugou. Izuku's line here is trying to communicate that that's how he feels about Bakugou.

Similarly to All Might saying Izuku doesn't hold what Bakugou did against him, this is another piece of plot manipulation from Horikoshi. Bakugou's redemption is pushed through the words of others, not through his actions. Especially when it comes to how he treated Izuku.

If Izuku, at any point, was still upset or noticeably traumatized by Bakugou's actions, Bakugou couldn't have been reasonably redeemed. Because there would be no feasible reason to even have him around Izuku and the only reason Bakugou's even relevant is due to Horikoshi sticking him onto Izuku in every arc