Renethefanboi

"I remember when we used to be able to agree to disagree and didn't cut off friends and family over politics"

Okay. Let entertain this idea.

Lets act like its 'just politics' and not a difference in morals, empathy, and character. Let's pretend this isn't a matter of human rights and safety but a matter of opinion.

Theoretically speaking, lets say we 'embraced each other'

Are you going to pay for my medications if Trump cuts Medicaid?

Are you going to pay for my Dr's appointments? My specialist appointments?

If they cut the program for the home healthcare job I have are you going to pay my bills? My rent?

If this country becomes unsafe for me and my wife because we can't be married, live together, safely hold hands in public without fear of being attacked, spied on, or killed are you going to pay for us to flee the country? Are you going to pay for my pets to be safely quarantined until they can be brought over?

Or, forget the money, will you accept and admit when he is wrong?

When he says things that are blatant lies and riddled with bias? When he and those he puts in power hurt people, hurt our county, send us to war with our allies and unite us with our enemies. Will you speak out? Will you openly criticize him? Or will you stay silent because you either agree, don't care, or fall into a political sunk cost fallacy where you feel like you have to continue to support him because you've staked so much on it?

Or are you going to claim to love and care about and support me while you continue to vote against my life and watch me drown while all you offer are... thoughts and prayers?

wait i never posted this one on here whoops

This needs to be said. So, you’re telling me that amidst Russian bomb threats in vital Democratic counties, a Starlink satellite randomly crashing just five days after the election, Starlink’s connection to voting machine systems (with Musk as its owner), unusual Democratic down-ballot voting patterns in swing states. At the same time, Trump somehow tops the ticket, with strange comments from Trump and other Republicans before the election, Musk hinting he needs Trump to win to avoid jail, and now Kamala’s campaign is quietly preparing for a recount case. There’s nothing more to this?

No, this isn’t just smoke; there’s a fire here. I’m no criminal investigator, but Trump and Musk have the track records, motives, and resources to pull something like this off.

I don't know who needs to hear this but anyone saying "Just stop- You sound like Trump voters after he lost in 2020" in regards to those considering asking for a recount are either psyops or woefully ignorant of the situation.

You don't sound like a sore loser for taking note of the well documented cases of burned ballot boxes in at least three states, and multiple bomb threats to polling places in heavily democrat-populated areas in swing states, which shut them down for hours on election day.

Or taking note of other alleged voting interferences such as mail-in ballot tampering, or the case where a mail carrier has been arrested for stealing and forging mail-in ballots in Colorado.

Or for taking note of the fact that Trump constantly told us he "had a secret plan" to win the election on election day.

Or the fact that conservatives (and Trump) have a long history of cheating, and the fact that there's literally evidence that they meddled in at least the last two elections.

And no, I won't be linking sources, because I want you to look this up yourself instead of just taking my word for it.

My point is that it's reasonable to be suspicious and want to double check, especially given all that I listed above.

The reason we called Trump voters sore losers wasn't because they asked for a recount- they had every right to do so, just as we do now.

They were called sore losers because not only had there been no evidence of tampering or fraud (unlike this election), they didn't stop at asking for a recount- they got violent and started not only multiple riots, but also an attempted fucking coup where they stormed the capitol and chanted that they were going to hang Mike Pence because he refused to overturn the election.

Ask for the damn recounts if you want them. Every party has the right to ask for a recount.

Is there a good chance it changes nothing? Of course!

The worst that might happen when asking for a recount is just finding out that the count was accurate and needing to accept that and move forward.

But that still doesn't make it stupid for someone to ask for one given the fact we saw in real time several reports of election tampering. Besides, even if it doesn't change the outcome of the presidential election there's still a chance it might influence the outcome of the local elections, which are also very important!

This obsession with the left needing to appear constantly stoic and poised and unbothered, to the point of being too embarrassed to stand up for ourselves or even ask questions in fear of "looking as bad as them" is going to be the death of all of us.

I think it's important to remember, as a rule of thumb, if you take advantage of a social service, it actually makes it easier for other people who need that service to access it. Most of the time, when these services get cut, it's because politicians will look at usage and say "see, no one is really using this thing, we can afford to trim the budget for food stamps by at least half". Whereas if you decide to step up and use these programs, even if you feel like you "don't really need it", at bare minimum it's another data point advocates can use to say "hey, look, people are using this thing, this is an important service we are providing, do not cut our funding".

At the risk of sounding anti-intellectual, I think that college should be free and also not a requirement for employment outside of highly specialized career fields

Let's have the conversation about UBI.

Let the actual data and facts end the bad faith arguments.