The Thing About Fandom’s Framing Of Steve As This Rebel Without A Cause Type Of Reckless Idiot Who

the thing about fandom’s framing of steve as this rebel without a cause type of reckless idiot who is just incapable of following orders is that, like “angry chihuahua” pre-serum steve, i get where it comes from. it’s funny and meme-able, and, most importantly, it’s a way to distance steve from the boyscout image so many people associate him with, and that so many of his fans hate.

but, just as angry chihuaha steve, reckless idiot steve is also upsetting because it takes the most sincere, earnest, good things steve has done in the mcu and twists them to be not the actions of a noble hero, but the stupidity of a manchild who challenges everything and everyone for no reason. it bastardizes the very core of steve’s character, and, above all, equates making steve more cynic/less idealistic with making steve better and cooler.

and that sucks because, no, he’s not a boyscout, but, guys, the very core of steve’s character is cheesy. steve as a character represents an ideal, and he does so in the most sincere, earnest way possible. steve’s superpower is his heart and his bravery. he’s a hero because he’s a good person, not because he’s snarky, because he’s a genius, because he’s super powerful or because he was chosen by fate or a prophecy. he’s just… the ultimate Good Guy. it doesn’t get much cheesier than that, unless your name is Clark Kent. 

and if that isn’t interesting to you, it’s cool. anti-heroes are the norm in the mcu and in most superhero movies for a reason: they’re fun to watch and very relatable. but, i’m sorry, steve is just not one of them. steve is that guy who walks old ladies to cross the street, not the guy who cracks a bunch of jokes while kicking a villain’s ass. and you’re free to find this boring and lame as much as you want to, but that’s IT. that’s the character. and i feel like a lot of people are not comfortable just letting steve be that way - they need to twist his actions to make him seem much more of a rebel badass than he actually is, and since i’m so attached to this stupidly sincere portrayal of sheer goodness and bravery, it becomes upsetting.

like… streve crashed the Valkyrie into the water not because he’s an Extra™, Dramatic Bitch or whatever, but because it was the only chance to land the plane without killing tons of innocent people. TFA is the ONLY origin movie in the mcu that doesn’t end with a triumph, but with a tragedy, and fandom somehow thinks it’s fun to turn steve’s sacrifice into a laughing stock, to act like he did so because he’s stupid or missed bucky’s dick too much or anything of the sort, instead of seeing the fact that steve did what he did because he valued other people’s lives above his own, because he valued doing the right thing over getting what he, personally, wanted.

and i guess to me it’s upsetting because this is something that resonates so deeply with my values and the person i want to be, and so to see fandom turning it into something small and petty just hurts, even if it’s just a joking shitpost. because when you act like steve is just some insolent dude who challenges everything and everyone just because he can, you end up turning his character from a hero to an idiot with poor impulse control. when you make headcanons of his friends being annoyed and bored by his constant idealism and desire to do the right thing, you turn him into a burden to sam or bucky or natasha or whoever, ignoring how he’s actually a leader and an inspiration to the people around him - you ignore how he broke through bucky’s brainwashing through sheer loyalty, how he made sam want to suit up for the first time in years, how he gave natasha trust when no one else would have. 

basically, you take away the beautiful things about his character and turn into something that, yeah, might be funnier, but it’s just so cynical it’s almost depressing. it turns something that is genuinely idealistic and optimistic into a pessimistic, shallow thing, and that’s just not what steve rogers is meant to be.

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7 years ago

What I don’t understand is why would he be suicidal in TFA? He obviously had plans for the future. He had a mission (there still was war and people who needed saving), he had a team, there was an amazing woman who he could have a future with. He was grieving after Bucky's death but he didn't want to die, he wanted to fight.

Ugh. If I read one more post in the Cap tag about Steve crashing the Valkyrie being about him wanting to commit suicide I may scream. So, in that vein…

Friendly reminder that the Valkyrie (aircraft, not character) was powered by the tesseract, which had, inside of it, the space gem, an infinity gem we’re about to get up close and personal with again here pretty quickly. As such it moved at extraordinary speed and stealth with technology completely unknown during the 1940′s. Hell, it would probably be unknown even in this time, through SHIELD tried their best to harness that power, re: Avengers. And it was made clear in Avengers that SHIELD didn’t know what the heck they were doing even in 2012.

Friendly reminder that the controls of the Valkyrie were damaged during Steve’s fight with the Skull.

Friendly reminder that Steve had no idea how to operate the aircraft nor did he understand it’s systems. Trying to figure out who to fly it in seconds (see again: extraordinary speeds) was simply not an option. Don’t believe me, the Marvel/MCU wiki describes the scene exactly that way here. 

Anyone who thinks that Steve could have done anything other than crash it is severely cherry picking. 

Steve Rogers sacrificed himself to save countless lives and I resent anyone trying to take that sacrifice away from him.

As a side note, here is the power of the space gem, described by Marvel themselves:

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…do you see the part about increased speed? Okay then. I’m glad we had this talk.

7 years ago

person: don’t go posting about how much you love steve rogers again

me:

Person: Don’t Go Posting About How Much You Love Steve Rogers Again

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7 years ago

Hahaha love this scene

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8 years ago

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6 years ago

CW is a huge letdown for all Steve fans. I’m still so angry about it. But if I remember correctly they said that RDJ wouldn’t agree to this film if his character would have too little screen time or shown in the wrong. And you can’t have CW without him. I think all they could do really is name it Avengers Civil war. Now for me there is only 2 Cap films and 4 avengers films. What a shame

And with Cap’s supposedly “big role” in the next Avengers I can’t help but think that it will be another disappointment. I so hope I’m wrong here.

how they could have kept cap 3 civil war w/o turning it into avengers 2.5

-do not open the film with action. the captain american movies have always been incredibly human. keep the pattern tfa & tws set; open with a moment//moments that add to steve rogers’ character

- scratch the tony narrative Completely. i’m sorry to any tony fans but seriously, get that out of there. follow steve’s perspective and steve’s perspective only, the exception being for plot-driven scenes only 

-given us more steve. he felt like a secondary character to his own film. how could that have been remedied? replace any time alotted by tony flashbacks and character insight with Steve flashbacks and character insight. give me steve watching the mother who had cared for him his whole life, breathing her last breaths in his arms, consumed by sickness. give me a quiet moment with sam, heartbroken and apologetic after two years of unsuccessfully searching for what, a ghost? give me steve helping a old woman carry her groceries into her apartment, and have her recognize him. have him spending the rest of the day with her, unguarded. 

-exploit thaddeus ross’ moral depravity; he is not just some hardass trying to push politics. the project he led illegally experimented on prisoners, he lied to bruce banner (and the misinformation is what led to bruce being turned into the hulk), he personally swore he’d kill bruce and hunted him to endlessly bruce saw no other option than to try to kill himself

-highlight the worst part of the accords. remind the audience that nefarious interests have infiltrated the government before. show us a flashback where steve’s actions were manipulated by a hydra controlled shield & the negative consequences. show us that the government does not always follow the moral highground. 

-let us have more time where steve interacts with bucky. let them have an actual conversation. 

-give us more sam wilson, someone who connected with steve and saw him as more than captain america when no one else would

-make us feel as desperate as steve feels. let us know just will happen if steve doesn’t come out on top this time. give us the hopelessness, make us be sided 100% with steve with no reservations because this is His story, without a single doubt, this is his struggle. we are rooting for steve no matter what as he fights an unjust world that would have killed his best friend without sure evidence, that would have imprisoned him, that would have dictated his every move and treated him and those like him as weapons and pawns

there should have never been sides. it should not have been open for interpretation. it should have just been the story of a man who keeps fighting for what he believes in and stands up against any bully, even if it means pitting him against the whole world, and yet, and yet,…. he still triumphs and refuses to be put down

8 years ago

okay I know you wrote this a year ago but, Steve DID become captain America because of Bucky. he became cap only when he saved the 107th and the reason he wanted to save the 107th is because he knew Bucky was in there. like I totally agree on not defining Steve or Bucky solely on each other, but facts are facts and Steve picking up the shield of Cap happened because he wanted to save Bucky

Look, you must know how much I adore Bucky if you’ve come at me on anon with this because you probably have seen at least a few *cough* posts on my blog about Bucky, but I’ll never see them in the (usually shippy) light of ‘they only ever do anything because of each other uwu” that a big majority of this fandom is so stuck on. (Whoa, what?? Cairi’s not in lockstep with a fandom??? So shocking.) Steve didn’t even know Bucky needed saving when he went through the serum experiment–he just wanted to join the Army despite Bucky, because it was the right thing to do and because his father died on the front lines. He too wanted to fight on the front lines and not do the little red wagon thing Bucky preferred him to do, both because of his father’s legacy and because he always had a fiesty fighting spirit twelve thousand times stronger than his frail li’l bod and so yeah, he may have been from Brooklyn but he lived in the state of Total Stubborn Denial.

But he finally found a crack in the 4F wall the Army erected in front of him and Steve became Captain America the moment he stepped out of that machine and had to chase after the HYDRA assassin. He became Captain America even before that when he threw himself on the dummy grenade and Bucky wasn’t even there. And when Phillips all but said he’d written the letter saying Bucky was KIA, Steve still wanted to save the rest of the 107th. So *maybe* we can at least agree that the Army didn’t recognize him as a combat-ready Captain America until he saved the 107th (and yay bonus Bucky was alive so he got saved too, because yes, Steve had to make sure, since he was already there rescuing the 107th). But to his own mind, far before that moment, Steve was already combat-ready and fully Captain America in the way that Dr. Erskine and Peggy intended for him to be… a fighting soldier, not just a dancing monkey in tights.

Steve has always been focused on what, to his mind, is the right thing to do… sometimes that involves Bucky and sometimes it doesn’t.

7 years ago

Wow. I’m almost crying

First Look At Evangeline Lilly As The Wasp! (x)
First Look At Evangeline Lilly As The Wasp! (x)

First look at Evangeline Lilly as The Wasp! (x)


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8 years ago

So, today, Marvel published issues of comics revealing that in fact the Nazis were always supposed to win World War 2, and the Allies invented the Cosmic Cube to rewrite history to prevent that from happening. 

That was released today. April 19th.

The anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, the largest Jewish revolt during World War 2, the first urban uprising in Nazi-occupied Europe, begun when the Nazis decided to completely wipe out the Warsaw Jews on Passover eve. Instead, the Jews held out for nearly a month, with whatever they could fight with. They’re honored to this day. 

And Marvel published their Nazi-stanning dumpster fire of a retcon today. 

7 years ago

Today

Steve Rogers returned. The real deal. And so it is a good day.

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