Asking Sincerely. Do You See A Romance Between Jayce And Viktor? Do You Think They Ended Up Being Something

asking sincerely. do you see a romance between jayce and viktor? do you think they ended up being something romantic at the end?

With apologies I am going to only half talk about the thing you are asking me, since I have something else on my mind and you happened to hit the button that makes me vomit it into words.

Coming at this from an aromantic perspective, I obviously don't experience the state of absurd obsessive delusion that you bizarre romantic freaks fetishize so feverishly*, but I am often annoyed by the idea that friendship and romance are either opposites or mutually exclusive. From my perspective, the boundary between the two is at best thin, and more realistically not actually a boundary at all except by cultural construction.

*i am taking an excessively hostile, crass tone for my own amusement i do not mean this seriously please be normal at me, weird allo freaks

I won't get into my full feelings about the end of Arcane, but it seems perfectly plain to me that the script, the imagery and the animation presents Jayce and Viktor as two halves of a whole, not opposing forces but alike to yin and yang: opposites which each contain the other. And at the climax of the show, the greatest peril to life and peace in the narrative is resolved by these two men literally joining their bodies and souls together, and going into eternity holding one another for comfort and strength. They are quite literally soulmates, quite literally the most important people in one another's lives.

I don't think that that kind of intimate emotional connection between men must necessarily be either romantic or sexual - I am aromantic, and plenty of ace people exist, and there is nothing in our natures excluding us from intense connections of love with other people of any gender.

I also think it is willfully ignorant (and genuinely homophobic) to act as though these deep connections are mutually exclusive with sex and romance. As though if Viktor and Jayce fucked nasty and made out sloppy style, suddenly their intimacy is less pure or valid, or tainted somehow.

"If these two men who are emotionally close to one another also fuck or get romantically involved, then friendship is dead, murdered on the floor by a dick-shaped knife; vile sexuality corrupts and debases the true, pure and virtuous love of ✨friendship✨" <- This shit is homophobic at a baseline, queerphobic in general, and frankly as an aromantic man I find it pretty fucking insulting as well.

What, are my friendships with other men just inherently more pure and divine, more meaningful and true than a gay man's can ever be, because I will never suffer the vile temptation of adding romance to my affection? Is that how I should think of myself? And is an aroace man more pure than me still, the only source of TRUE male friendship that a man can ever experience, free from the pustulant corruption of sexuality and romantic desire?

You get this pathetic defensiveness (especially from men, but other genders aren't immune) wherein sex and sexuality and romance between men is perceived as a threat to men's right and ability to experience deep connection to each other. But the emotional castration of men comes not from people imagining sex and romance as a component of our relationships - it comes from people who insist that our emotional lives must be ruled by strict binaries. Sex and romance, OR ELSE friendship. Deep romantic connection OR ELSE deep platonic connection. Pick one and do not dare to imagine both, nor act as though the boundary between them is something that we built by cultural fiat, and which can be dismantled just the same.

And yes, yes, yes, I know there are cultural forces literally illuminati-style conspiring to systemically erase the entire existence of explicitly romantic, sexual male love from media, and I know that homophobic puritanism is on the rise and there are material concerns and a real necessity for explicit representation in fiction, yes I know. Everything is more complicated than a tumblr post can cover, I am not trying to Solve Rainbow Capitalism™ over here, I am trying to express frustration as an aromantic man that this stupid fucking binary keeps getting culturally reinforced by both my enemies and my well-meaning allies, when I think the binary is what's fucking killing us in the first place.

So anyway. My position is that Viktor and Jayce can be entirely aromantic no-homo friends, and they can fuck nasty in the throes of mutual need and obsession, and I refuse to entertain the idea that there is an irresolvable contradiction between those things. Each of those can contain the other, or become the other given time and circumstance.

What the imagery, storytelling and script of Arcane makes clear is that Viktor and Jayce love each other more than life itself. To say that that love must be shoved into the box of either "platonic" or "romantic" is to miss out on almost everything that is beautiful about love. It can be both and neither! It can be a secret third, ninth or fifteenth thing that they haven't invented a tag for on Ao3 yet.

They are giving each other whatever the spiritual mind-ghost equivalent of sloppy backshots are on the ethereal plain forever, they are the most romantic lovers in the cosmos, and they are also the most chaste and platonic life-partner friends you have ever seen, effortlessly intimate and unashamedly tender. They are men who love one another, in every way that love matters.

You can pick whichever interpretation brings you joy, and resonates with what your heart needs, the text of the show is eminently and explicity open to it, and anyone who says otherwise either failed to pay attention, or refused to pay attention on purpose.

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Thank you @mangobronypower for voting for Oakie and spreading the word! This is a digital piece we did featuring a lady beetle :)


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1 year ago

Vote for Oakie in SUNY Mascot Madness!

This round will be the hardest yet! Oakie Acorn (they/them) is up against last year’s champion, and we’ll need every vote we can get!

An image of Oakie the Acorn, a yellow acorn mascot with big green eyes, green arms and legs, and a smile. Text on the bottom of the image reads "SUNY Mascot Madness."

[Image description from alt text: An image of Oakie the Acorn, a yellow acorn mascot with big green eyes, green arms and legs, and a smile. Text on the bottom of the image reads "SUNY Mascot Madness." End ID.]

Vote for Oakie here!

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Oakie’s opponent is also… not the nicest. "Wolfie the Seawolf" from Stony Brook University, is quoted as saying these things on the official Mascot Madness webpage.

A screenshot showing an interview with Wolfie Seawolf.
Interviewer: Read any good books lately? 
Wolfie: I just finished rereading The Art of War. I think using some of the tactics included will help me to win Mascot Madness for the third time in a row. After that, you might as well crown me the supreme ruler of SUNY Mascots. Why even have the other ones? 
Interviewer: Favorite pizza topping? 
Wolfie: I've recently grown fond of devouring acorns, I bet they would go particularly well on pizza…

[Image description from alt text:

A screenshot showing an interview with Wolfie Seawolf. Interviewer: Read any good books lately? Wolfie: I just finished rereading The Art of War. I think using some of the tactics included will help me to win Mascot Madness for the third time in a row. After that, you might as well crown me the supreme ruler of SUNY Mascots. Why even have the other ones? Interviewer: Favorite pizza topping? Wolfie: I've recently grown fond of devouring acorns, I bet they would go particularly well on pizza…

End ID.]

Oakie, by contrast, is:

all about sustainability

the only officially queer mascot in the tournament

also the only plant

Their commentary on their opponents is much kinder!

A screenshot of an interview with Oakie Acorn.
Interviewer: How would you celebrate being named SUNY Mascot Madness Champion in 2024?
Oakie: The same way I celebrated in 2017 when I won the title – surrounded by the best students, faculty, and staff ever! We had a party that the whole campus attended. My friend, Victor E. Knight from SUNY Geneseo, was gracious enough to come and present me with the trophy and join the festivities. I think it would be great to host Wolfie on campus this year.

[Image description from alt text:

A screenshot of an interview with Oakie Acorn. Interviewer: How would you celebrate being named SUNY Mascot Madness Champion in 2024? Oakie: The same way I celebrated in 2017 when I won the title – surrounded by the best students, faculty, and staff ever! We had a party that the whole campus attended. My friend, Victor E. Knight from SUNY Geneseo, was gracious enough to come and present me with the trophy and join the festivities. I think it would be great to host Wolfie on campus this year.

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You can vote every 12 hours on each browser and device you have access to until the round ends at 3pm on Tuesday. If you vote for Oakie (and like this post, reply, message me, reblog, or otherwise let me know) I will post an original art piece, as I have before!


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2 years ago

Happy Easter to all of you who celebrate! 🐰🪺💐

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Respect the weeds. Appreciate the odd little spaces. And laugh at life :)

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2 years ago

Remember: Other people’s pain does not negate your own, even if their pain is “worse.” The reverse is also true: your pain doesn’t negate anyone else’s. While in some cases it might be upsetting to hear other people complain about “problems” that seem minor to you, saying things like “you haven’t really been hurt” is counterproductive; if a person says in good faith that something is painful to them or a struggle for them, it is. Comparing issues based on who has it worst usually leads to more hurt.

The queer community is full of hurt people.

This can lead to a knee-jerk reaction when we hear someone else say "I am hurt". We look at them and say "shut up, you're not as hurt as me because you have X privilege".

This leads to femme afab queers being told "you can pass and hide as cishet, you're not as hurt as queer women who look queer, you're just complying with the patriarchy's ideals for beauty, you're hurting the queer community, you're anti feminist."

It leads to masc afab people, whether trans men or nonbinary or genderqueer etc, being told everything from "you're not as hurt, you can pass as a cis man" to "you have no desire to transition, you still look like a girl, shut up".

It leads to trans amab people who are nonbinary or genderqueer or agender etc, who still dress or look "masculine", being told that they are "unsafe" for queer spaces, that they don't belong at a "women and nonbinary meeting", that they are "basically just cis men trying to escape accountability".

It leads to asexuals being told "you don't even feel sexual attraction, the thing we're ostracized for! how could you possibly be oppressed? You're just straight and a prude" and aromantics being told "you're just straight and like casual sex, get over yourself" and both being told "you're just a cishet who wants to steal resources".

I have heard every single kind of queer person say "I have been harmed and ostracized by the queer community". Lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and mspec people, trans people, aroace people - every single one of us has expressed feeling ostracized by our own community.

On the plus side, this means you're not alone. Your group isn't the only one facing this. You have allies!! Other queer people who have gone through what you've gone through!

We need queer unity. We need to stop attacking each other. If you feel the urge to say "shut up, my group has been hurt MORE", go take a walk. Remember that every single one of us has been hurt.


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1 year ago

Italian, German, Swedish, Polish, Hungarian and English and I only really know my ancestry up to my great-grandparents 🤷 Sadly the only one I currently speak fluently is English, growing up “white” in the US… I heard somewhere that being considered white in the USA often means giving up aspects of one’s culture and heritage in order to fit in, and knowing that so much never got passed down in the generations between my great-grandparents and me makes me really feel like there’s some truth to that.

Reblog with what languages.


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1 year ago

On Hallownest in your Hollow Knight AU, what is it like and is it a rural or urban town?

I picture it as a kinda small town, but not particularly rural, having more suburban-type neighborhoods. I don’t have an incredibly defined idea of it though. (Characters are usually my favorite part of stories, lol.)


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2 years ago

Please vote for Miriel, I like Sully and all but Miriel is personally relatable to me as an autistic, awkward nerd lol

Like, everything is science to her, from the study of magic to the study of her friends’ social behavior, and she has to approach socializing in a detached and logical way because her social skills are pretty much nil 😆

Also she hyperfocuses extremely hard when she’s reading (just like meeee), shown in her support with Henry when she entirely fails to notice a snake dropping onto her from a tree and in her support with Lon’qu when he has to stop her from accidentally walking off a cliff because she’s just that into her book.

And yeah Sully is a feminist icon but in my opinion Miriel is also feminist and cool. We support women in STEM here lol

Edit: I made a typo and so I had to go back and fix it because I thought “Miriel would not stand for this.” 😆😆😆

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2 years ago

This is a little drawing I did in order to stick it to my laptop because I don’t have enough stickers as many stickers as I want :)

After I stuck it to my laptop, it tore, so I decided to fix it and make it look intentional. It’s a Shade from Hollow Knight- I love these funky little blobs of void

This Is A Little Drawing I Did In Order To Stick It To My Laptop Because I Don’t Have Enough Stickers

Thank you @printerpenguin for voting for Oakie :)


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2 years ago

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