Rhaenyra After Aegon Is Crowned: “As For My Brothers And My Sweet Sister Helaena, They Have Been Led

"not all men-" you're right, jacaerys targaryen, heir to the iron throne, prince of dragonstone, the eldest son of queen rhaenyra targaryen and laenor velaryon, a dragonrider, would never treat me like this

Evidence that the Greens intended to kill Rhaenyra’s children if Aegon became king:

1. Already murdered one child.

2. Called the murder of said child “a good start” and threw a feast to celebrate.

Evidence that the Blacks intended to kill Alicent’s children if Rhaenyra became Queen:

1. It’s a convenient hypothetical to excuse the Greens usurping the throne.

2. ???

"If the writers of House of The Dragon keep gaslighting the audience into thinking Viserys was anything better than a powerful man who stole a young girls future, dreams and physical body in the quest for a son he will never love, I will riot"

Okay, I have one fundamental question for people who think that if it weren't for Viserys, Alicent would have a "future" - what kind? What kind of future would that be? If someone says "marriage and children of love <3" they're being ridiculous. I know the creators want to show that Alicent is THE victim, the truth is that you can count on the fingers of one hand the women in the world of ASOIAF who were not victims of an arranged marriage.

Alicent was the daughter of the second son, who despite being the Hand of the King (which he lost several times) had no lands or wealth, no army. Everything that belonged to the Hightower family didn't belong to Otto, but to his older brother, who was the Lord of Oldtown. If it weren't for Viserys, Otto would have married her off to some lesser lord... And that was it. There would be no wonderful "future", just the exact same life, but much less comfortable, because it would be hard to find a man who would allow Alicent so much disrespect and do whatever she wanted.

What episode did green fans watch where Aegon is a good father because all I saw from Aegon was that he: did not know anything about his son's schedule or interests, didn't greet his daughter (who in turn did not even acknowledge him), and then used his son to flex his power over Tyland.

Are we just conflating loving your children and not being completely neglectful with being a good parent?

Aegon IVs top 10 most iconic moments:

10. Naming those hills “Barba’s Teets” and then renaming them “Missy’s Teets” when Barba insults Missy’s breast size.

9. Trying to invade Dorne only to not even make it to shore because his whole fleet was wrecked by a storm.

8. Burning down 1/4 of the Kingswood and killing hundreds of people while trying to build wooden dragons for his Dornish invasion. Then immediately giving up on invading Dorne and pretending like nothing happened.

7. Showing up at Whitewalls, impregnating Lord Butterwell’s 3 daughters, and giving him a dragons egg as a reward.

6. Gifting Blackfyre to his bastard son Daemon.

5. Killing his father, Viserys II, thereby robbing the realm of potentially the best king it may have ever seen.

4. Creating Bloodraven.

3. Helping Daena escape the Maidens’ Vault and impregnating her, thereby both creating Daemon Blackfyre and also indirectly causing Baelor the Blessed to kill himself.

2. Spreading rumors that Daeron is his brother’s bastard just to undermine his own heir purely out of spite.

1. Legitimizing all his bastards on his death bed so he can keep being everyone’s problem for another 80 years.

"Sansa's wedding"

( well i kinda liked this idea in my head how she would look with Lannister colors so i made her dress red)

alicent poisoned her children and fed them lies so they could hate rhaenyra and her children. alicent abused rhaenyra so badly she had to go away to dragonstone. alicent's own hatred is what caused her son to lose his eye. alicent helped her father and her son usurp the rightful heir to the throne. alicent's hatred is what caused aemond to go after luke and killing him. alicent is the root for all of rhaenyra's suffering and problems but she's still nice and pleasant enough with that woman? she should want her head on a spike but sure, 20 years ago they were friends and that explains why she would put her own life at risk to meet with that woman and somehow make peace terms with the party that ALREADY sent shitty peace terms wtf girl bye

"History will paint you a villain"

Fourth wall breaking to make us believe what they're putting in Rhaenyra's mouth.

Alicent went to Rhaenyra's wedding wearing the colors her House use for war, which created the Green and Black teams. She knew what she was doing.

Alicent was the only one who actively hated Rhaenyra's children to be bastards. Corlys and Rhaenys didn't really care, Rhaenyra's own husband didn't care, Viserys was totally happily in denial. Cole hated it, but his opinion doesn't matter.

Alicent made it a big deal, raised Aegon to be scared of Rhaenyra when he had no true animosity towards his sister before. And telling her son to spare Rhaenyra after years of telling him he was a challenge for her and would die if she becomes queen, was silly.

She helped put Aegon on the throne, and when learnt she was wrong to do so, started to show disdain for him that led Aegon to take his dragon to battle and get burnt.

Then, at his weakest state, she accepted Rhaenyra's deal that includes the murder of her son. The very son who did not want to be king in the first place. Just so she could run away with Helaena and her daughter. She is literally fleeing what she helped causing. She could protect Helaena and Jaehaera and stay in KL to be by her sons' sides and accepts the same sentence she put on them. But no, she still wants a way out of this mess.

So, the writers telling us, through Rhaenyra of all people, "Alicent is a only a victim of patriarchy and will be paint as a villain" is so stupid. Yes, she is a victim. But it doesn't justify all she did. In season two, she marvels at how messed up her boys are, when all their life they heard her complain about Rhaenyra and her bastard children, how Aemond lost an eye and how Lucaerys should have lost his too, that Rhaenyra will murder Aegon in cold blood when she becomes queen (before he usurped her).

So, yes, she is a villain and history will rightfully paint her as such. That doesn't make her a bad character, nor does it mean all victims become villains in turn; Rhaenys is a victim of patriarchy too, Rhaenyra and her mum, the servant girl who Aegon sexually assaulted, all the women of the story are victims of that.

"At the center of the merriment, cherished and adored by all, was their only surviving child, Princess Rhaenyra, the little girl the court singers dubbed “the Realm’s Delight.” Though only six when her father came to the Iron Throne, Rhaenyra Targaryen was a precocious child, bright and bold and beautiful as only one of dragon’s blood can be beautiful."

Queen Aemma Arryn with her daughter Princess Rhaenyra