Tell Me More About Miguel And How They Did Him Dirty

tell me more about miguel and how they did him dirty

Miguel O'Hara aka Spider-Man 2099 was a part of the 90s Marvel effort to create future and edgy heroes for the 1990s. There were heroes like Doctor Strange 2099 and Hulk 2099, but Spider-Man 2099 is the only one who kept any real interest past the 1990s.

His origin comics were the first three issues of his 1992 run. We open with Spider-Man of the future! He's cool, in a black and red suit (yes the inking just looks off, it was originally black and red.) In the year 2099, Alchemax, the company everyone remembers from Into the Spiderverse, owns nearly everything. Including the cops. The police are no longer state owned, but instead owned directly by the corporation itself. It's also implied very early on that the US government in 2099 is ALSO owned by Alchemax.

Pictured above is Miguel O'Hara.

Lyla, Miguel's holo-agent (who he did NOT make but that's the least of our Spiderverse woes at this point) plays messages for him. It's quickly understood Miguel doesn't communicate, likes to isolate and ignores his problems until he HAS to deal with them.

We find out later in the comic that this man, Tyler Stone, has seemingly drugged Miguel with a drug called Rapture, an incredibly addictive future drug that binds to your DNA and it's impossible to lose the addiction. Tyler drugs Miguel because after all of the really awful scientific experiments and inhumane things Tyler's made Miguel do at Alchemax, Miguel decided to quit. But Stone doesn't want Miguel to leave the company, so he drugs him.

Later, muuuuch later, we find out this guy is his biological dad.

Pretty awful stuff.

This guy is Gabriel O'Hara, Miguel's half-brother. He doesn't trust Alchemax or any of the genetic experimentation they've got going on. He knows his brother is involved, and he doesn't want his brother involved anymore. It's interesting to note that Gabriel, after telling his brother how disappointed he is in him, says he still loves him. But Miguel doesn't want to hear that (super well-adjusted not depressed man here, you see) and turns it off.

Miguel in the comics is a geneticist and studies biology. He famously doesn't do well with technology. And so what solution does he find to his drug problem? Biology.

(You can see how saying he's an unnatural Spider is going to start being a problem. At least, depending on what your definition of the word "natural" is.)

In the comic, we flashback a bit to pre-Spider-Man 2099 times to figure out exactly how Miguel got like this.

Miguel is the head of the Genetics Division of Alchemax and isn't exactly the most popular guy around (he's very self-entitled and self-assured). The entire purpose of their project is to recreate Spider-Man in the year 2099, to become the perfect lapdog to Alchemax to keep the city in "order."

Miguel O'Hara at this point is pretty much the worst of the worst, tbh.

Sure, Miguel wants to genetically recreate Spider-Man. But they aren't ready for human subjects, and Tyler Stone and his co-worker Aaron Delgato (actually kind of important for later) push ahead on the project. Long story short, their test subject dies and Miguel quits.

Tyler doesn't like that so he drugs him.

Miguel doesn't want to be addicted to Rapture the rest of his life, or at Tyler Stone's mercy either, so he decides to try to rewrite his genetic code to get rid of the Rapture addiction.

Delgato, who hates Miguel, was also still in the lab, and decided to rewrite his DNA even further to put him as half a spider. His intention was to kill him, but Miguel survives and becomes genetically half-man, half-spider.

Across the Spider-Verse seems to directly go against this both with whatever drug Miguel is injecting into his system and the fact they say he cannot shot organic webs, but instead tech-based ones. This would lead us to assume his talons and fangs are also a result of his "Spider" potion.

When in reality, Miguel now permanently has fangs, and has to mumble whenever he talks to loved ones. He CAN retract his talons, but only if he's actively thinking about it. He shoots organic web out of the top of his wrists. Those fangs? He can paralyze people with them, just like a spider bite could.

So with more and more confirmation that this adaptation of Miguel is not "really" a spider, it shows how little time they took to look in his comics.

It's concerning as well because it seems as if the only backstory they want for him is the made-for-the-movie daughter, and not his brother (pictured above), his mother or even Dana or Xina, two of his love interests/childhood best friend in Xina's case. It shows us that there many not have been any research into the character besides seeing that he can be a "scary" adversary to Miles.

I'm also going to link a previous post I made about Miguel and Gabriel's home life and domestic abuse that directly impacts how Miguel interacts in his world, and probably how he engages with the other Spiders. If it was at all discussed.

The 2012 turtles would love the Rise turtles and here's why

"The 2012 turtles would be appalled at how childish the Rise turtles are" this "The 2012 gang would look down on the Rise gang because of how they deal with things" that

ALL of you are wrong!!!! The 2012 turtles would take one look at the Rise tots and kill anyone that LOOKED at them wrong!! The 12 tots may be 18 and traumatized and more serious and battle-hardened than the Rise boys but as someone who grew up with the 12 boys I can confidently say they would hold them gently and protect them from anything that tried to take their lighthearted nature away from them. Hell they'd probably try and kill Big Mama for the shit she's pulled with the boys! This extends to Splints too, they would SO threaten Draxum within an inch of his life for the shit he's done to both Splints AND the boys AND humanity. 12!Mikey may not have a Dr Delicate Touch alter ego but he'd TEAR into the Rise boys enemies, specifically Meatsweats for TRYING TO EAT THEM.

All of you who think there'd be tension n shit between 12 and Rise are losers if anything the Rise boys would be fed up with being babied by the 12 gang! And no don't you dare try and pull the "But 12!Raph is abusive and would-" NO shut up did you SEE how he treated Spike and Chompy and how hard he fought whenever he thought his brothers died or were in mortal danger???? He's not abusive he's emotionally constipated and holds himself to the unhealthy toxic masculinity standards and doesn't know how to deal with his own anger he is NOT abusive he is TRAUMATIZED and needs THERAPY, he would fucking baby Rise!Raph and fist fight anyone that breathed at him wrong! Don't you dare come into my house and tell me he wouldn't he babied Slash post-mutation however briefly and fucking SWOONED whenever Mona Lisa kissed him or was on screen. Don't come for my baby with your "but he's abusive!!11!11!1!!1" bullshit he is BABY and a SWEETHEART.

And 12!Leo is a dork and a NERD he takes every opportunity he can to mimic Captain Ryan and turns into a giddy fanboy and kicks his feet and giggles and twirls his bandanna whenever he watches Space Heroes, he's BABY. He's silly and messes with his brothers and teases Raph for his bugphobia and takes every opportunity to mess with them, he blows raspberries at his bros like a little shit and trips them when they walk by and aren't paying attention. He is a silly little guy and makes jokes and gets made fun of by his brothers for his catchphrases and when he mimics Captain Ryan. He has a Space Heroes comic collection and scrambles to hide it when someone walks in when he's reading it. As weird as it was when he had a crush on Karai (PRE-SISTER REVEAL) he tripped over his own goddamn feet whenever she showed up and made a FOOL of himself (and still did later when he looked up to Karai as a big sister and tried to impress her). He fought tooth and nail to protect his brothers and went into a blind rage when he thought they'd all been murdered right in front of him, he spared no expense when it came to his family's safety. This man would infodump about Captain Ryan whenever he had the chance, if he met Rise!Leo and learned about his Jupiter Jim obsession these two would spend HOURS geeking out over their hyperfixations. Do NOT tell me they wouldn't because they WOULD. He would NEVER put Rise!Leo down for his jokes and puns because he doesn't do that with his Mikey, he'd rather fight Shredder again than do that. He would be PROUD of Rise!Raph for his leader position and would even give him tips! And if it's post-movie Rise!Raph and Leo he'd hug them both and tell them he was PROUD of them. If you think he wouldn't do any of this in the slash negative way then get the fuck away from me (half joke).

12!Don would faint upon seeing Rise!Donnie's tech and run out of air asking questions about how the mystic tech works and probably even hyperventilate over the battleshell's and he would DEFINETLY do the flappy hands and bluescreen over Shelldon. 12!Don is a nerd and a science dork, he would grab Rise!Don's tech and shake it because of how excited he'd be. Would he be jealous? A bit, sure, but he'd quickly brush that off in favor of learning everything he can about this new world full of magic and advanced tech because why waste time being jealous when he can take all this knowledge home and improve his own tech back home with it? He. Would. Be. So. Proud. He'd learn Rise!Don is a softshell and be AMAZED at how he adapted, he'd probably steal some of his confidence for himself too! He would be PROUD of the Rise turts and would show them off to anyone who asked because look at these wonderful little guys! They're adorable and could kick my ass and I'm so proud of them!! LOOK AT THEM DAMMIT!!! APPRECIATE THEM!!!!!!!!!

12!Mikey would scoop the entire Rise gang up and give all of them a big ol hug and fanboy over how proud he is of them. This man looked a feral Leatherhead in the face and went "Oh he's just a little guy! You're my friend now, we're having soft tacos later :]" which just sums up everything about 12!Mikey that you need to know, nothing else needs to be said. No fuck off he would love all of them just as much as he loves his brothers, and he loves his brothers a lot. I can and will drown you in the evidence I have that he loves his brothers more than life itself and that he's just as much of a little shit to them as they are to him, he is baby and he sometimes treats his brothers like babies. How do I know? Just look at how he interacted with Raph whenever he was scared of bugs, he's a little fucking shit and I stand by that. He snapped Raph out of a bug-induced panic attack by slapping him and it WORKED and Raph THANKED him, and some of you chucklefucks ignore that when compiling evidence on why Raph is "abusive". If 12!Raph is abusive then I'm the goddamn fucking Grinch and I will die on this goddamn hill.

Do the 12!Tots have some unhealthy dynamics to their relationship with each other? Sure, but every family has that. If you try and tell me there's not at least ONE unhealthy dynamic in your family you're lying to me AND yourself. What you need to remember about the 12 brothers is they are child soldiers are were raised to treat every moment like it would be their last, they grew up fighting to survive and it shows. They're co-dependent on each other because they spent their development and formative years being told they can rely only on each other and to falter is to put each other at risk, that every choice they make could potentially threaten their family's life and to put their brothers lives above their own or all of them would fall. It's unhealthy but they can't do anything about it because they were taught that since before they could walk. To call them abusive to each other is lies and slander because they would rather die a thousand deaths than hurt their brothers. And when they do hurt their brothers - because they have and likely will again, because that is the way of love and to love someone is to admit when you have wronged them and work to right it - they work to make sure they don't do it again, and they apologize and help each other back up and never leave each other behind because to do so is to doom them all.

TLDR; Calling the 12!Turtle brothers dynamic abusive and saying they'd look down on the Rise!Boys is laughable and I do a little jig on your grave every time you say that. They would put the Rise!Tots in a pile and swaddle them like little babies and coo at them and speak to them in baby voices and get punched by the Rise!Tots for it.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk have a lovely day 😘

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