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Not that one person in chat when everyone is talking about how cute Khalid is (facts) saying “Irenicus didn’t think he was so cute”
Tracy Wiles reading the My Dearest Wife letter (from this stream) :')
The stream is 2 and a half hours… I’ll do it for you Tracy!
So far: hard agree with Jen if you kill jaheira why do you hate women?
Tracy Wiles reading the My Dearest Wife letter (from this stream) :')
This is canon in my mind :)
Just realized I never posted this drawing I did of Jaheira and Khalid but like haha omg what if Khalid didn't die and they got to grow old together hahahahahhahha im gonna go cry now
I know Orin is a changing so I’m pretty sure she lacks the mind reading ability that doppelgängers have and I don’t remember her having the mind reader ability which may be a good thing because if she knew what Khalid looked like she would be going CRAZY
Oh, you easily got around my trap at the dancing axe? Time for psychological damage
Obviously jaheira would win but come on that’s a premise right there
AAAAAAAA SHE LOVES HIM SO MUCH I CRY I LOVE THEM VRGYJUHTFRC THANK YOU FOR THIS
Tracy Wiles reading the My Dearest Wife letter (from this stream) :')
NOT THE LIGHTBULB LMAOOO
Queen
(source: x)
I miss making animatics but I’m too much of a perfectionist + too damn busy now to get any done
The lack of animatics for Baldurs gate is not helping lmao
I had a fantasy about making an animatic for jaheira talking about Khalid, minsc talking about dynaheir, and a “I still love him” animatic which I did storyboard and it made me sad lol
Khalid
canon means nothing when I can shelter my blorbo and keep him alive through the power of archive of our own
May or may not be cooking something up
Something I think about is Khalid’s mother
Because in the first game in Khalid’s background she is not mentioned at all, and in siege of dragonspear she is mentioned as ‘not thinking much of him’ but to a lesser extent than his father did who we all agree was a POS
1. What was she like?
like her life probably sucked a lot.
She was an elven concubine in a country that is pretty much devoid of any other elves, and so she was seen as exotic, which is probably why Khalid‘s father had her as a concubine in the first place.
She would always be below his actual wife and I won’t get into all of the horrible things that could’ve happened to her prior or during this time
And then on top of everything, she has a illegitimate kid with the dude!
I doubt Khalid’s father or his wife (mother of Khalid’s half brothers) was particularly interested in raising him, so it was probably all on her.
So now on top of her life already probably sucking, she has this kid in a world that is guaranteed to be hostile towards him because he is considered lower by default.
There’s no way she could protect him from that even if she did try.
Maybe there was a combination of resentment of having another thing on her plate to take care of but also guilt about having this kid that she feels is guaranteed to have a miserable life
2. Was their relationship purely indifference and neglect or was there some love?
Is it possible that she walled herself off from him so that when he was inevitably hurt it didn’t hurt her as much? Like self protection so she only had to feel her own hurt
Were there good moments? Where she would protect him or comfort him in ways she felt she could?
Maybe she held some hope that because his father was of the merchant class Khalid would get further than she could only to have those hopes crushed within her lifetime
3. How does Khalid feel about her?
Maybe he is a bit overly forgiving of her actions because of he knows her circumstances (Which probably annoys Jaheira lol)
Maybe there’s some resentment for not being the mother he needed but he feels guilty about having those feelings
Maybe she just fades into the background of his childhood
There’s so many possibilities because we know nothing about her so we get to fill in the blanks!
HELLO I AM HERE WITH RESULTS
I found a save file in SoD right before the temple of bhaal so I decided to record all of Madele’s lines I could find to piece together a timeline for the temple I’ve tried my best to make things clear I’m so sorry if something doesn’t make sense. Madele’s lines will be colored blue, Gorions ward (GW) will be colored pink, Jaheira is green.
Anything with a 1. Is a dialogue choice, 1: is the result of that dialogue choice
I present:
ALL OF MADELE’S DIALOGUE AND TEMPLE TIMELINE
FIRST MEETING
Who's there? My eyes are gone, but I can hear you... smell you. My dark lord sends me company! Speak to me, you who smells of sunlight and blood. Tell me who it is that visits my dusty prison.
1. I am (character name). Who are you?
2. Which dark lord is yours? There are so many these days...
3. Be silent, woman. If I would hear your voice, I will let you know when I wish it.
1: Faithful! Though my name has withered to dust in this endless night, still I may be called FAITHFUL. Lone travelers walked too close, fell into our nets, and we cut out their hearts. Blood ran down my arms, and I felt the Lord of Murder's blessing!
2: The lord of Murder, he who was lord here before treachery and deceit ended him. Still, though I lost both my sight and freedom that fateful day, I remain faithful.
3: my fate was written long ago. now… I rest. (End convo)
1-2 to lead to:
Faithful! Though my name has withered to dust in this endless night, still I may be called FAITHFUL. Lone travelers walked too close, fell into our nets, and we cut out their hearts. Blood ran down my arms, and I felt the Lord of Murder's blessing!
1. The temple lies in ruin now, and you are caged, your eyes gouged from your skull. How did this come to pass?
2. I am one of Bhaal's children.
3. The days of Bhaal are long past.
4. I don't care who you are. Bother me no more.
1: The base god of treachery now rules here, his mocking laugh sears my brain. I will not say his name. She can never make me say his name! A new age of Bhaal will be upon us, and soon. The Harpers stole and slew our children, but still I remain faithful. The Lord of Murder will rise again.
2: *gasp* that a child of murder should stand before me! All is ordained. It is no chance that brings you here, divine one.
3: same as 1
4: my fate was written long ago. Now… I rest (end convo)
1-2-3 lead to:
The base god of treachery now rules here, his mocking laugh sears my brain. I will not say his name. She can never make me say his name! A new age of Bhaal will be upon us, and soon. The Harpers stole and slew our children, but still I remain faithful. The Lord of Murder will rise again.
1. The Harpers stole children? I do not believe you.
2. Tell me exactly what happened here.
3. Speak no more of Bhaal, or of anything else for that matter.
1: (if you have jaheira with you)
J: “Stole” is not the proper word. “Liberated” is more accurate. Harpers sometimes rescue innocents from cults prepared to sacrifice them.
A: What tale shall I spin for you? That of our stolen children, or of our collapse?
(If not skip straight to) “What tale shall I spin for you? That of our stolen children, or of our collapse?”
2: What tale shall I spin for you? That of our stolen children, or of our collapse?
3: my fate was written long ago. Now… I rest (end convo)
1-2 lead to:
What tale shall I spin for you? That of our stolen children, or of our collapse?
1. I would hear about the children.
2. Tell me of the temple’s fall.
3. There is nothing you can tell me, if you have truly been locked up for years.
1: A priestess and a Harper spy, meeting in darkness. Hiding their passion. Oh, but WE saw; WE knew. His passion let him to careless speech, and she brought his words back to the temple. He thought his love could be stronger than the will of murder! Ha!
When the Harpers raided the temple, he came upon his lover with a dagger raised over her living child. Her GIFT to raise our slain master. How he pleaded with her not to send her own flesh to the Lord of Murder. An arrow from one of his allies pierced her throat even as she laughed at his folly.
They took our children, the blood we would have used to return Bhaal to power. I, I didn't give up!
My faith holds strong! Before we could try again, though, the others came.
2: We plotted and planned, wailing in the darkness for our lost god. Then they came, the followers of… I will NOT say his name. They came for us, gloating and preening, their shiny knives raised
I got the best of HER, though. I said I would slay them all in Bhaal’s name, while my followers fled. Even the Lord of Murder keeps his promises! I broke their teeth with my dagger-blade, and gouged out their throats while their bloody gums gnawed at my hand! HeheheheeeeHAHAHAHA…
But she caught me in the end, yes. My faithful were safe, but I was trapped. Dusty bones in a rusty cage. Powerful wards to keep me alive long after I should have died. She took my eyes and tells me tales of her lord’s power. She says Bhaal is gone, and Cyr… no. I will not say his name. I will NEVER say his name!
3: The years do not matter, they did not break me, did not end my devotion! Ah heh. Heehee.HeeheeheehahaHAHAHAHAAAaaa...
(If you asked the Children question)
1. Tell me about the temple's collapse.
2. You've been locked up for almost a decade, then?
(If you asked Temple question)
1. Tell me about the stolen children
2. You've been locked up for almost a decade, then?
(You can repeatedly ask questions however many times you want to continue the conversation you must choose 2)
Both 2: The years do not matter, they did not break me, did not end my devotion! Ah heh. Heehee.HeeheeheehahaHAHAHAHAAAaaa...
The years do not matter, they did not break me, did not end my devotion! Ah heh. Heehee.HeeheeheehahaHAHAHAHAAAaaa...
1. I need to get you out of that cage.
2. I've come here seeking a wardstone stolen by a priest of Cyric. Do you know where I might find such a thing?
3. Well, then. I'll just be going as far away from you as possible now.
4. Be silent, woman, lest you attract the attention of your captors.
1: Out? To get out I… ugh. UGGGGGH. My head… MY HEAD!
2: You… you can… ugh. UGGGGGH. My head… MY HEAD…!
3: same as 2
4: same as 2
All lead to:
Tired… so tired. Ziatar knows, she has… what you need. I must rest now… almost over. Almost done.
1. What’s almost done? What do you mean?
2. I’ll find ziatar and then return to free you.
3. You and that cage deserve one another. I will find Ziatar and leave you to your fate.
1: The voice, it tells me… this is almost at an end. Soon, I shall rest.
2: Go. I shall rest.
3: my fate was written long ago. Now… I rest.
1 leads to:
The voice, it tells me… this is almost at an end. Soon, I shall rest.
1. I’ll find Ziatar and then return to free you.
2. Well, that was cryptic. Farewell.
3. I’ll find Ziatar and leave you to your fate. It’s no more than you deserve.
1: Go. I shall rest.
2: same as 1
3: my fate was written long ago. Now… I rest.
End
IF YOU TALK TO HER AGAIN AFTER GOING THROUGH THE FULL CONVERSATION
Alone in the dust. Alone in the rust. Hahahahaha! Forgotten servant of a forgotten god.
1. I will return once I have the means to free you.
2. Rot in your cell. You deserve no better.
Both: Go, then. GO.
IF YOU TALK TO HER AGAIN AFTER YOU DISMISSED HER BEFORE GETTING THROUGH THE FULL CONVERSATION marked with (end convo)
Alone in the dust. Alone in the rust. Hahahahaha! Forgotten servant of a forgotten god.
1. What forgotten god do you serve?
2. I will return once I have the means to free you.
3. Rot in your cell. You deserve no better.
1: The lord of Murder, he who was lord here before treachery and deceit ended him. Still, though I lost both my sight and freedom that fateful day, I remain faithful. (Starts convo over)
2: Go, then. GO.
3: same as 2
IF YOU RECRUIT KHALID BEFORE TALKING TO HER BY DESTROYING THE CRUSADE AT THE BRIDGE
No changes, if jaheira is dead he doesn’t comment on the Harpers taking the kids because I’m sure the developers did not expect you to do it this way lol
FREEING HER (NOT CLEARING TEMPLE)
1. I am here to free you. I found the key to your cell.
1: Free? I will never be free, I am bound to the Lord of Murder. He guides me even when he is silent... so silent. I AM HERE, I DO AS YOU WILL.
1. I am a child of Bhaal. I command you to leave this place and find a way to amend for your misdeeds in life,
2. I am a child of Bhaal. I command you to leave this place and uphold my father's teachings. Murder any who offend you. Make all mortals fear the Lord of Murder even in death.
3. Stay or go, it makes no difference to me.
1: Your orders contradict everything my lord has taught me... but you are his child! How can I deny you? But how can I defy him? I.. I will try, child of murder.
2: Your words are like cold water on a parched throat. For you, child of murder! I will kill in your name!
3: Perhaps one day my lord will hear my prayers once more.
(She will leave and you will not be able to talk to her again)
TALKING TO HER AFTER KILLING THE MINDFLAYER
1. I found the mindflayer who had taken over the temple. It was your mind that allowed him access.
1: She thought I was POWERLESS. She thought the Lord of Murder had abandoned me. But I told it everything, EVERYTHING. I know each voice here, each step, each slamming door. I told it that SHE was the one to control. And now she's gone... gone forever! And the temple of the betrayer falls.
(She says this even if Akanna is still alive)
And that’s all the dialogue I could find, if anyone has any extra dialogue that I missed please tell me how to get it and I’ll add it
MY THOUGHTS
I believe there might be a misconception here due to the line “so you’ve been locked up for almost a decade” after asking about the harpers taking the kids. The harpers did NOT imprison Madele, the followers of Cyric did.
Something you may have noticed is that Gorions Ward says “you’ve been locked up for almost a decade” when Madele literally said nothing about that. This is correct because we know she’s been locked up for about 8 years since the followers of Cyric took over the temple as stated in Akanna’s journal:
1360 DR
We have seized the temple of the Lord of Murder. We killed many of Bhaal's clergy. Others escaped, but I claimed a prize for myself: the high priestess Madele. I have caged her while I decide what glorious things to do with her. Praise Cyric. Fear the Dark Sun.
How did GW know? You get this dialogue before reading the diary entry so not from that. Perhaps they knew when the Harpers took the kids but I doubt it, Gorion obviously didn’t tell them, jaheira seemed to know the situation but since GW is surprised harpers took kids I doubt she told them either. I know it’s not explicitly stated that the Harper described was Gorion but… It was Gorion, I feel that’s clearly the intention. Plus, when the Harper’s were there doesn’t indicate anything about how long she’s been imprisoned since they didn’t imprison her. The two events could have both happened in 1360 DR which I guess could explain the “almost a decade” after asking about the kids but again there’s no way GW could have known that.
I’m chalking this up to a mistake in the code. You can ask Madele about the kids and the temple over and over again until you select “you’ve been locked up for almost a decade” to continue the conversation. You could have already asked about the temple before you ask about the kids so the option needs to come up after asking the kids question. I hope that made sense
As for GW somehow knowing it’s been almost a decade I’m chalking that up to a writing error. Again, if anyone has any ideas as to how they knew I’d love to hear it
The million dollar question: when did the harpers take the kids?
GW had to have been born so the earliest is 1348 DR, and it happened before the followers of Cyric so the latest is 1360 DR. Serevok visited the temple sometime after because in his note he mentions his plans for the iron throne starting to gain traction, the wiki says his iron throne scheme began in 1365 so I’ll hesitantly say it was around that time without knowing where that information is from.
The wiki also says apparently serevok was left behind by the harpers during this raid and I genuinely have no idea where this comes from and contradicts serevok’s backstory in bg1 so if anyone knows please tell me
THE TIMELINE
The Harpers take the kids (1348 DR ~ 1360 DR) -> Followers of Cyric take over the temple (1360 DR) -> Serevok visits (~1365 DR) -> Seige of Dragonspear (1368 DR)
They’re so mean 😭 why are they so mean? 😭
I found a save file of mine in siege of dragonspear right before the ruined temple of bhaal, might write down all of madele’s dialogue for every option we’ll see
Angsty and angry jaheira in BG2. Going through it after losing Khalid (and NOT in the way BioWare thought she should SIDEYING THEM FOREVER)
Some Jaheira and Khalid I love them so much
Time to spend the money....
Third from Right is Jaheira... hope they made her pretty or I really need to buy that 3d printer to make my own~
I made Jaheira and Khalid in the sims 4! I’m not very good at making sims and looking at it now I think I made jaheiras head too long but eh
I don’t own the pack that has pointy ears so i found some cc ones, I can’t edit them like I’d want because of that but we make do
Also apparently base game doesn’t have scars and I really thought it did so that’s on me
They are legitimately all over each other and keep taking breaks from whatever they’re doing to kiss which is cute but also unhelpful when I’m trying to grind up their skills lol
Also have some funny moments
Canon, also sorry the quality is shit idk why
Jaheira is not beating the baby fever allegations with this one lmao
scraps of a drawing dry spell
I’m curious, does anyone have a hc about which god took Khalid’s soul after he died?
My take is Silvanus but if anyone has a different idea I’m interested
I hc Khalid’s patron was ilmater when he was younger and still in Calimshan but shifted to silvanus more when he met jaheira
For anyone who doesn’t know about the afterlife in the forgotten realms:
Afterlife in the forgotten realms is kinda vague especially in later editions but my understanding of it is after someone dies they go to the fugue plane and either
a) get picked up by an agent of the deity they were associated with (if they didn’t do something in life that goes against that gods doctrine which makes the god not want them
b) make a deal with devils and go to the hells as a lemure or something else if that’s part of the deal
c) go to the city of judgment. In 3e there are the faithless and the false. The faithless are those who don’t have faith and they become the wall until they get eaten by mold. The false are those who committed some kind of infraction against their patron that they didn’t want them. They become members of the city and are punished according to whatever they did.
I believe that the faithless has changed since then because I’m pretty sure the wall doesn’t exist anymore and faithless wander the fugue plane, in Bg3 withers says the same thing so in the Baldurs gate universe we can say the wall doesn’t exist. The sword coast adventuring guide used to mention the wall but according to the wiki this mention was removed in 2020 so it’s very vague (side note bring back the detailed campaign settings I love them I want the lore) i think the new lore is either the gods will take people who are worthy even if they weren’t necessarily a worshiper or that they still go to the city but kelemvor judges them based on their life and they chill in the city. I know the gods got mad at kelemvor because he was applying mortal morals to his job (since he was mortal) which is when he became more neutral
And I’m realizing I have gone completely off topic lmao I really like lore
It hurts everytime
Githyankidanky coming in with the slam dunk as always
Also please give me both timelines I need them 🤲
Jaheira's Timeline is Fucked??
I feel like this is known. but still, what the fuck.
The original BG website (taken down) apparently listed Jaheira as being born/less than a year old during the civil war in Tethyr, also known as the Ten Black Days of Eleint. This event happened in 1347.
But if that's true, that makes Jaheira 21 as of the first game. In the first meeting with her, she states that her & Khalid were supposed to be Gorion's Ward's foster parents should anything happen to Gorion. Gorion's Ward is said to be 20 (or "of your twenty years of life") as of the beginning of the game which takes place over the course of about 5 months.
So Jaheira was supposed to be your guardian when she was maybe a year older than you at best.
Worse still, there's supposedly a dialogue between Jaheira and Glint (a companion) in Siege of Dragonspear that confirms that Jaheira had been married to Khalid for 8 years, and dated him for more than 10 years total. SoD takes place in 1368 - 1369 and is 6 months long at most.
That means she started dating Khalid at age 11 - 12, married him at 13 - 14.
Add on that Khalid's BG website bio implies that Khalid and Jaheira met through Gorion (presumably the "sorceror" Khalid asks his father to pay to teach him) & the Harpers, so she was a Harper prior to meeting him, when she was like 10.
like obviously someone fucked up on the numbers, the setting/story isn't quite dark enough to be implying an underaged/arranged marriage for one of the happier couples in the game. but still..
If Jaheira had been born in 1347 she would have been 145 years old as of BG3. Half-elves live around 120 - 180 years.
To make any of it fit, that statement has to be ignored, and at least 5 years need to be tacked onto her age.
So at the earliest:
She's born in 1342.
The civil war happens when she's 5 and she's rescued by one of her servants.
She joins/is involved/travelling with the Harpers around 13 - 15 ish.
She meets Khalid at 16 - 17, marries him at 18 - 19.
Which leaves space for Gorion to have asked her to be next-of-kin to a 14 yro when she was 20.
That way she's 26 when Gorion's Ward (20) rocks up.
As of BG3, she's 150.
But I think that's the absolute youngest she could have been, to correct the dates while still remaining true to the tone of BG & Jaheira/Khalid's relationship.
A more realistic approach would probably be to tack on 10 years:
She's born in 1337.
The civil war happens when she's 10 and she's rescued by one of her servants.
She joins/is involved/travelling with the Harpers around 15 - 19ish.
She meets Khalid at 21 - 22, marries him at 23 - 24.
Which leaves space for Gorion to have asked her to be next-of-kin to a 9 yro when she was 20.
That way she's 31 when Gorion's Ward (20) rocks up.
As of BG3 she's 155.
I did entertain the possibility that she was also present with Gorion when rescuing the Bhaalspawn & adopting his Ward,
(Idk if she knows that your a Bhaalspawn prior to you finding out bc I haven't got that far in the game & haven't seen anything to suggest she does? BG veterans ur input is very much welcome here!)
but that would need her to be around at least 20 in 1348 & a competent Harper, which conflicts with her being child in need of a servants help in 1347 when the civil war begins. Her being 40ish when Gorion is killed isn't so much of an issue since she's a Half-elf and Shadowheart, who is also considered a young adult, is in her 40s in BG3. It's just the conflict with her being a child in 1347 that makes me think she wasn't involved then.
I made them (to the best of my ability) in the sims and they keep on kissing so canon
I think they should kiss more often
Evune time
I really need to draw her annoyed because while she is baby she is also a bit passive aggressive lol
If she was in Bg3 she’d be the time to tell Astarion when he’s complaining
“wait- listen-“
“…I don’t hear anything”
“Isn’t it wonderful?"
been a while since i drew on my tablet
From the supplement “Sandstorm: Mastering the Perils of Fire and Sand”
I imagined Khalid’s mother as a Wild Elf before she was enslaved and sold by merchants. But maybe a Painted Elf of the Calim Desert…!
text provided below the cut
Painted Elves
More closely related to wild elves than high elves, painted elves commonly dwell in petrified forests-which in ages past, they claim, were their ancestral homes. The painted elves take their name from the nature of the wastes in which they dwell, but also from their habit of camouflaging themselves with pigments derived from the mineral deposits found in such places. Though they rarely see visitors-since painted deserts and petrified forests offer little in the way of treasure— painted elves are extremely distrustful of outsiders, and can turn on guests at the slightest provocation.
Painted elves are in most regards identical to wild elves, as outlined in the Monster Manual (which in turn are based on the high elf detailed in the Player's Handbook).
The exceptions to the standard Player's Handbook elf are summarized below:
• +2 Dexterity, -2 Intelligence: Painted elves are every bit as graceful and agile as high elves, but they are a bit more limited in their understanding of the world around them, having experience with little more than their own petrified domains.
• Favored Class: Druid. A multiclass painted elf's druid class does not count when determining whether he takes an experience point penalty for multiclassing.
Jaheira having a small case of baby fever is now added into my brain <3
Hazel is my favorite (no I don’t have a Druid bias why would you think that?)
iiiiii am working on That Long And Terrifying Alternate Timelines Fic as we all know and in the process of writing last night i had to come up with kids for jaheira/khalid, and only one of them actually shows up in the fic, which is so fucked up that i had to create a quick and fun visual aid for all of them. my cursive is questionable in places so here they are in order of age :)
rion, harper, a little blunt but actually very sweet despite appearances (she's the one who shows up in the fic !!!)
hazel, druid, inherited a lesser version of khalid's stutter, very very very much like her dad in first-glance temperament but with a lot of her mom's marshmallow core. so basically the softest girl ever
elowen, bard, i feel like every family needs That Inexplicable Artsy One, really looks up to a family friend who never stopped singing ...
cyprus, adventurer, pretty much just a carbon copy of jaheira, genuinely professionally annoying, khalid is always calling him "the sweetest and most perfect boy" because he is Pretty Much Just A Carbon Copy Of Jaheira
liora, on god i truly do not believe jaheira/khalid would have children without having at least one of them be some sort of professional criminal
ennir, not TECHNICALLY a wizard because he's still working through a lot of issues with his stutter (which is as intense as khalid's) but he's got a real passion for the weave & a very compassionate dad who really wants to support him in an attempt to figure it out, SOOOO
and as a postscript: a snip from the fic itself to contextualize why there are so many.
"But a bard can tell you all the rest. As for all the things they cannot... well. I shall just have to keep those for myself."