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One tried, didn't quite work out well for him. He tried but was killed by people saying his abuse didn't matter anymore, and he died in a tank to keep him alive long enough for his abuser to spout bullshit.
The other was too mentally ill, nihilistic, self-destructive, too much of a (more or less self-righteous) moron like lunatic, no goal/no grind, and groomed by the worst human being in the universe to know what proper feelings actually were. He died, too.
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