I'm gonna say it.
It's unhinged to assume that someone's taste in fiction equates to what they believe is moral or good, or is something they want to see or experience in real life.
That is a bonkers assumption to make.
I'm tired of humoring people with long arguments about it when the simple fact is it is a totally fucking absurd reach to accuse someone who enjoys something in fiction of being in favor of it in real life.
I'm tired of pretending like this is a legitimate position to hold-- that they should be afraid of fiction's dire influence on a reader's moral decay or that it's a sign of what the author secretly wants for realsies in real life.
Idk, I always found the "proship is bad because it supports illegal ships" to be funny because, you guys know murder is illegal too right. stop supporting illegal fiction.
i understand people who have periods wanting to learn more about how the menstrual cycle affects their body and being mindful of certain things, what i hate is turning it into something divine and transcendent. it's just a bodily function! what's next? finding the divine in my piss? me and my feminine piss.
People seem to have forgotten that "proship" was the Fandom norm for the longest time.
Only, it wasn't called proship. It was called ship and let ship. Or minding your own buisness.
If someone had a ship you didn't like or thought was gross, you would avoid them. If they drew art or wrote stories you didn't agree with or like, you would ignore them.
There were tags like smut, whump, and angst to tell people about things they might not want to read. And then dead dove: do not eat for taboo subjects and especially gritty fic.
Then people started to ignore that. Younger fans started to bully people because they disagreed with shipping certain characters. Whether it be because it "wasn't canon", they thought it was gross, or they just didn't like it.
These people began calling themselves "anti-ship"
Pro-ship became a label to show that someone was against anti-ship.
Eventually, the anti-ship movement began to die down. So do you know what they did? They started accusing people. Of being pedophiles, groomers, rape supporters, and more. All because they wrote or drew things that these people didn't like.
They began claiming that THEY were the Fandom norm, and that these "proshippers" were the bad people. They started claiming that proship stood for "problematic shipping"
Due to this, the term "pro-ship" is often misconstrued as to what it means. Many people don't even KNOW what it means.
It means "anti-censorship".
It means that we support someone's right to produce art, no matter how gross, no matter how taboo, no matter how "problematic"
Because it's not hurting anyone.
If it's something you don't want to see? Block the person. Block the tag. Say in your bio that you don't like it. That's what they're FOR!
This was discussed in earlier days of fandom.
"I wonder why people would read a story in a genre they don't care for, then take the time to let the writer know that sure enough, they didn't care for it. That would be like me going to a restaurant, ordering a slice of cherry pie, then asking that the chef be brought out so I can say "I don't like cherry pie, and I didn't like yours either." To continue this analogy into its usual fannish outcome, the chef would say "Well gee, lady, why did you order it?" And I'd say, "Are you questioning my right to order cherry pie?"
-Unknown 2002
Except now, it would be like the person who didn't like the cherry pie and ordered it anyways then demanded that no restaurant serve cherry pie because it was poison. Not only is it a ridiculous request, it's blatantly untrue.
I'm gonna say it.
It's unhinged to assume that someone's taste in fiction equates to what they believe is moral or good, or is something they want to see or experience in real life.
That is a bonkers assumption to make.
I'm tired of humoring people with long arguments about it when the simple fact is it is a totally fucking absurd reach to accuse someone who enjoys something in fiction of being in favor of it in real life.
I'm tired of pretending like this is a legitimate position to hold-- that they should be afraid of fiction's dire influence on a reader's moral decay or that it's a sign of what the author secretly wants for realsies in real life.
i like when ventposts self censor in a way thats completely incomprehensible to anyone else like 'im so sick of ****** ******* ******' . im sorry that youre going through it. can i buy a vowel
A little advice from someone studying extremist groups: if you’re in a social media environment where the daily ubiquitous message is that you have no hope of any kind of future and you can’t possibly achieve anything without a violent overthrow of society, you’re being radicalized, and not in the good way.
"dni if you engage with irredeemable media! dni to kill a mockingbird stans" ok well CLEARLY you have never read to kill a mockingbird if you think it's irredeemable media and also having a book that was published in 1960 on your dni stan list is kinda ridiculous actually
Why do you believe that people have such fragile morals they will be corrupted by a piece of fiction?
Are your morals that fragile?
Why do you believe that reading fiction about harm will cause the people who read it to do harm?
Are you that easily willing to harm people?
Why do you believe that writing or reading nasty fiction will cause people to think that it's alright to hurt and abuse people?
Are you that easily corrupted and changed by fiction?
Why are you worrying that reading fiction will change a person's morality like some kind of evil spell?
👉 You sound like a baptist preacher claiming Pokemon will make children worship the devil.
👉 You sound like a Victorian phrenologist claiming that reading novels will cause women to lose their virtue.
I'm gonna say it.
It's unhinged to assume that someone's taste in fiction equates to what they believe is moral or good, or is something they want to see or experience in real life.
That is a bonkers assumption to make.
I'm tired of humoring people with long arguments about it when the simple fact is it is a totally fucking absurd reach to accuse someone who enjoys something in fiction of being in favor of it in real life.
I'm tired of pretending like this is a legitimate position to hold-- that they should be afraid of fiction's dire influence on a reader's moral decay or that it's a sign of what the author secretly wants for realsies in real life.
I don’t wanna get too into fandom discourse but this is the funniest, most embarrassing shit I’ve ever read lmao
kys stands for kissing your sister
I keep seeing people saying things like, “If you like this you need therapy cause it makes me uncomfortable!!” And the most COMMON retaliation I’ve seen to this is, “Well you’re assuming everyone can get therapy/therapy is for everybody!” And actually I don’t think that’s the right comeback to that
I think the right comeback to that is, “are you saying you support conversion therapy?”
I’ve gone to therapy for YEARS. A good therapists job is not to make you “normal” but to make you the best version of yourself. There is a REASON that in order to be diagnosed with a mental illness it must cause some amount of distress and disruption to your life, personally. People don’t to go therapy just for being weird, they go because something about their life or their brain is making things difficult and upsetting for them, and they want to learn how to deal with that.
If your version of therapy is just “this harmless thing you like makes me, personally, uncomfortable, and therefore must be wrong - so you must go to therapy to become more like me” - than you don’t want people to be their best selves. You want them to go to conversion therapy, so they will be more like you, because you think that you’re the pinnacle of normalcy and anyone who is not like you must be Bad™️ and require Fixing™️.
I've seen a surge of antis calling themselves punk/alt, and I just wanna make this clear:
Book-burning conservatives are not punk, sorry... :/
Fandom Problem #4580:
Even if you got your wish, and every website ever stopped allowing "problematic" content or ships, good luck with arguing until the end of goddamn time about just where the lines should be drawn. Because no matter how "wholesome" you think your stuff is, SOMEONE will end up having a problem with it. I don't care how progressive you think you are, you played directly into the hands of all these right-wing evangelicals with their mass book bannings to "protect the kids" because you thought you were grown enough to go online but not grown enough to learn to just not fucking look at things you don't like. You get mad when people say you're conservatives in a gay hat but that's really what you are. Own it and accept the reality you're trying to help create.
1. You are responsible for your own media experience.
2. There is such a thing as a healthy level of avoidance towards topics that make you feel unwell or even (in a real-life clinical definition of the term) trigger you - but you are the one to actively take care of what you view.
3. Avoiding does not mean policing others.
4. You have no right to tell artists to censor themselves - you may criticize what others do, you may dislike it, that’s fine - but actively asking for censorship when you could easily unfollow or block a person just makes you look incompetent in your use of the internet.
5. Do not give people on tumblr or /any/ website the responsibility for your emotional well-being. Because these people do not even know you so no, you have no right to ask them to take care of you.
I'm gonna say it.
It's unhinged to assume that someone's taste in fiction equates to what they believe is moral or good, or is something they want to see or experience in real life.
That is a bonkers assumption to make.
I'm tired of humoring people with long arguments about it when the simple fact is it is a totally fucking absurd reach to accuse someone who enjoys something in fiction of being in favor of it in real life.
I'm tired of pretending like this is a legitimate position to hold-- that they should be afraid of fiction's dire influence on a reader's moral decay or that it's a sign of what the author secretly wants for realsies in real life.
I actually like it when ships hurt each other in long lasting and unforgiveable ways. I like it when they leave vicious, glaring scars. I like when they leave traumas. I like when they stab each other and torture each other and ruin each other’s lives and violate every inch of each other’s values. and I like it when they fucking kill each other permanently dead.
I'm gonna say it.
It's unhinged to assume that someone's taste in fiction equates to what they believe is moral or good, or is something they want to see or experience in real life.
That is a bonkers assumption to make.
I'm tired of humoring people with long arguments about it when the simple fact is it is a totally fucking absurd reach to accuse someone who enjoys something in fiction of being in favor of it in real life.
I'm tired of pretending like this is a legitimate position to hold-- that they should be afraid of fiction's dire influence on a reader's moral decay or that it's a sign of what the author secretly wants for realsies in real life.
➡️ Content warnings on fiction are a courtesy.
➡️ Not every medium of fiction and storytelling has or is expected to have content warnings or extensive tagging.
➡️ Print novels do not traditionally warn for content in any way.
➡️ Until AO3 came along, fanfiction did not traditionally warn for content in any significant way.
➡️ An author is only obligated to warn for content to the degree mandated by the format they publish their fiction on.
➡️ Content warnings beyond the minimum are a courtesy, not an obligation.
➡️ 'Creator chose not to warn' is a valid tag that authors are allowed to use on AO3. It means there could be anything in there and you have accepted the risk. 'May contain peanuts!'
➡️ Writers are allowed to use 'Creator chose not to warn' for any reason, including to maintain surprise and avoid spoilers.
➡️ 'Creator chose not to warn' is not the same thing as 'no archive warnings apply'.
➡️ It is your responsibility to protect yourself and close a book, or hit the back button if you find something in fiction that you're reading that upsets you.
➡️ You are responsible for protecting yourself from fiction that causes you discomfort.
Nobody better ever fucking tell me the fight for rights is over.
I think one of the biggest things about being proship is just. Not. Fucking caring about things
Like oh my god nobody talks about how FREEING it feels! Like holy shit! I really DONT have to spend all my time obsessing over what other people do all the time! I DONT have to give a shit if I don’t want to! I have so much more time to myself now! Do you know how awesome that is? To be able to not care?
It's time for the sebaciel renaissance when the new season drops ✨
💖 You don't have to justify the types of romantic relationships that you write or enjoy in fiction.
💖 To restate the above-- you do not have to justify your 'ships'.
💖 The types of romantic relationships you write or enjoy in fiction do not indicate your real life preferences.
💖 It's typical and valid to write or enjoy romances in fiction that contain more turmoil, darkness, drama and taboo than you would actually want in your real life.
💖 Fictional relationships do not erode your sense of morality or what's desirable in a real relationship.
💖 It's normal to imagine dark and unpleasant ideas in fiction that you would never want to happen in real life.
💖 Romanticizing the darkness, turmoil and taboo in relationships in fiction has been done for eons and it hasn't destroyed civilization or humanity's moral fiber yet.
💖 If you tell people that dark romantic fiction will erode their morals or is indicative or personal moral weakness it makes you sound like a Victorian era misogynist worrying over girls reading novels.
💖 You don't have to justify the types of romantic relationships that you write or enjoy in fiction.
I´ve lately seen many young peeps in fandom spaces, worrying about openly shipping their ships because of what antis might do
so let me tell you something:
antis are huge losers who are gonna find something to hate you for no matter what you do
even if you ship EXACTLY what they ship, theyre gonna yell at you for "not shipping it right"
so, my piece of advice: just do whatever you want and tear up the house! antis are gonna hate no matter what, so ignore them and find some good companions by being yourself
yes! i do like [problematic thing]! and unfortunately i am under no obligation to defend my interests to strangers on the internet. good day and thank you for your time
Being into commentary YouTube as a proshipper is so funny because it’s like oh this person is cool and I agree with most of what they say! Oh wait, you viscerally hate me and others like me for no reason and are wildly misinformed on who we are and didn’t bother to do research other than take sources from antis? Okay nevermind lol
I hate you shipping discourse I hate you unnecessarily aggressive DNI banners I hate you dehumanization of those you disagree with I hate you harassment over ships or favorite characters I hate you purposeful lack of nuance I hate you false equivalencies I hate you policing how people engage in fandom I hate you actively trying to make fandom spaces hostile I hate you refusal to filter your feed I hate you making it everyone else’s problem