I’m Not Trying To Attack You, But Do You Know That Proshipper Means Someone Who Supports And Romanticizes

since someone wanted to be a clown and make a "transmisogyny" bingo board, i made my own transandrophobia bingo board

I love the Marxist-Leninist trend of calling anyone they don't like either a fascist or a liberal

Hey can we talk about the similarities between how this literal actual TERF describes trans men talking about transandrophobia and how the “transandrophobia isn’t real you transmisogynist*” crowd talk about trans men talking about transandrophobia?

“You want to be a man but you don’t want to be treated like a man” is something they both say!

“They want access to women’s/female spaces” is a point we’ve been arguing about for months (and none of them have a good argument for “are you talking about ones for reproductive healthcare cause I shouldn’t have to explain to you why we’re there” or “do you expect a guy who’s spent years in a social group and forming close friendships with the members to be forcibly kicked out the second he comes out as trans and not have that read as transphobic”)

“You’re claiming you’re more oppressed than trans women” is still false when a TERF is claiming we’re saying that but hey, they’re still claiming the same thing about us

“Transandrophobia is just misogyny/(transphobia)” is yet another talking point we’ve seen already

This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that those of us talking about transandrophobia have been fighting against and to see it out of the mouth of a TERF I think should be setting off alarm bells in some of you. Cause some of you have been drinking radfem juice either without knowing it or while convincing yourself that you can make it trans friendly by just including trans women as women and trans men as men, and I hate to be the one to break it to you but all you did was trade out bioessentialism for gender essentialism and both are just as toxic.

I’m not asking anyone to self flagellate over this, but I am asking you, if you find yourself agreeing with the TERF, to take a step back and ask some serious questions about what you’ve been believing about trans men and tbh trans people in general cause I can guarantee y’all have been engaging in transmisogyny and exorsexism too.

*If you characterize this group as consisting entirely of transfems and no one else when there are plenty of self identified TMEs making the same arguments and one notorious guy that stalks the transandrophobia tag to make this exact argument, please just don’t say anything on this post.

i’m not even gonna break this one down bc “male privilege isn’t a material benefit it’s just literally not being a woman” i think pretty much speaks for itself.

I can't guarantee that "the one person who understands me [OP]" is a radfem, but with how many I block it's easy to assume

can I say something mean. I think the obsession some guys have with """transandrophobia""" is just like, they thought transitioning would magically make gender not a prison. and then they continue to experience gender (which is a prison) and get confused because they stopped being a woman shouldn't it all be better now??? and it's not (because gender is a prison, even if conforming with it gives you privilege over others) but they lack the introspection and awareness to make that connection. so instead they go "no it must be the trans women who are oppressing me"

If you're going to claim that a country is evil but also threaten to harm people who have left that country, then like... what do you want?

ofc the person saying intersex people can't be trans if they don't conform to the sex binary and mtf or ftm "standard" also recommends the platform that's actively erasing us intersex and transmasc people

and to archive their latest take on us:

It took me forever to figure out how anyone could reasonably claim that trans men weren’t directly targeted by the EO about “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” until I thought about how that phrasing would be interpreted if you’re thinking of trans women and only trans women. Now I’m slightly less irritated with people saying only trans women are gonna get hit by the EOs and switching from “are you fucking for real right now, like are you just pretending this isn’t even here” to “hey I thought about how this would apply to trans women, can you do the same for trans men?”

If your focus is solely on trans women, “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” means not letting trans women into women’s bathrooms or locker rooms, which is enforced by forcibly detransitioning them legally and socially. The idea being to “protect” cis women from trans women existing near them.

If you focus on trans men tho, “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” means denying them any sort of medical transition and then forcibly detransitioning them legally and socially because the “women” you’re trying to “protect” are both the trans men themselves and the egg transmascs near them who might consider transitioning because they now see it as an option. (See: the common rhetoric of trans men perpetuating a “social contagion” and giving your “daughters” “ROGD.”). This is also why it mentions FGM; they’re not talking about actual female genital mutilation, they’re talking about transmasculine bottom surgery. Phalloplasty is like +$100k and no insurance covers it, so basically anyone who was saving up for it just got told to go fuck themselves.

Not to mention no matter what their ASAB was, nonbinary people are going to be hit but in a way that lumps them in with trans women and trans men based on ASAB. They are just as screwed as the rest of us.

I’m just saying, it would help so much if y’all would just read something and think about how it affects multiple different types of people.

It's kinda hard to not beef with your own community when people from that community are currently mad at you for existing and talking about your problems. Besides that people in the "anti-transmasculinity" crowd do talk about the issues that trans men & mascs face in society as a whole, not just from other trans people

This is the same logic as "takes two to tango". Refusing to mention intracommunity issues doesn't end those issues or unite the community, it just allows them to fester and for your experiences to be erased against. If you don't fight, yoy're sure to be beaten

If you understand as a trans man/transmasc etc. how upsetting it is to claim that trans men/transmascs etc. are especially and uniquely capable of transmisogyny you should then understand how upsetting it is to claim that trans women/transfems etc. are especially and uniquely capable of anti-transmasculinity.

Cis, perisex people are the main perpetrators of transphobia.

People are going to see "anti-transmasculinity" as transmisogynistic if you spend all your energy on your page complaining about the minority of trans women/ transfems who perpetuate it. And lets be honest, it's easier to call out trans women/ transfems because the internet loves to turn it's backs on trans women/ transfems rather than the cis people saying heinous transphobic shit. They are going to get the wrong idea of this term.

Stop engaging and feeding into the lateral violence and division of our communities. It is not helping anyone, and especially not our cause.

The drastic separation between social positions of transfems and transmascs is a theoretical invention of writers who spoke to very few transmascs and tried to fill the gap by assumptions that stem from the "opposite gender" crap.

"Transmasculine transition is respected in the society because cis people see becoming a man as stepping up" is one of the most hilarious and sad examples of that, but there's also "coming out as a trans man leads to less sexual objectification" and "trans men are simultaneously respected more because they're men and protected more because they're afab".

None of it is real. This is just a calculated inverse of what transfems go through. We should abandon this framework for the sake of something that's actually rooted in reality.