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trans people being forced by doctors to conform to gender roles and present as their gender for 2 years to get evaluated to transition but somehow we are the ones enforcing gender roles

imagine a politician that fight for equal payment, for women rights and protection, bodily autonomy and just because the politician did a pro trans policy this very same person is thrown under the bus and now is suddenly against women by the TERF crowd, even to a point of appealing to the conservatives against the pro trans law

I wasn't making shit up

This was 2022/23 Nicola Sturgeon hate campaign, TERFs all around britain were campaign against her because she was kinda pro trans, to a point of appealing to Rishi Sunak and the Tories themselves

When we say that TERFs would work with the right wing and throw any pro trans person under the bus, even the ones who are actually helping women, we aren't making shit up

They do

Radical Feminism logic

misogyny:

calling people the name they want

males wanting to be feminine (imitating/mocking women)

males wanting to be women (invading safe spaces)

males wanting to be masculine (putting down women)

males wanting to be feminist (performative)

females wanting to be feminine (gives in to the patriarchy)

females wanting to be men (gives in to the patriarchy)

feminism:

not calling people the name they want (they’re delusional hehe)

saying intersex people are just deformed perisex people (‘male’ intersex and ‘female’ intersex)

harassing minors on tumblr

harassing a minority on tumblr (the gay people website)

denying history (OF COURSE there weren’t trans people at stonewall trans people were invented in 2005 when a man wanted to see women naked)

cutting off part of a group to make the group more palatable for opponents of the group (not going to work and ostracizes some of your best allies)

Often posts would go:

*describes a bad thing that many people may go through* (Okay. Nice. Good discourse.)

*adds an addendum about how it disproportionately affects trans women* (Excellent. Important to say. Good addition.)

*adds an addendum to that addendum that specifies I'm a stinky TME and calls trans men a slur* (Why. Why did you have to say that. I get that you hate yourself. I get that you're in a competition to be the feministest. But it's so unnecessary. It also detracts attention from the group whose voices you were trying to boost.)

It might be me but I dont think tumblr user LobotomizeMen would have trans men's safety in mind

You know, the argument that saying trans men don’t have male privilege is misgendering is actually really fucking annoying because privilege is not like. Anything intrinsic to who you are. You don’t have it by default as a result of your identity. It’s something you get as a result of the systems in power.

A deeply closeted trans man who has spent every waking moment living as a “cis woman” due to not socially transitioning due to being in an actively dangerous environment that won’t allow him to is still a man. If you argue that he has to have male privilege because he’s a man then you are not basing your theory on reality but on your own imagination. If you argue he isn’t actually a man because he doesn’t have male privilege then you just don’t see trans men as men.

If you equate manhood with access to male privilege then you just don’t see trans men as men. Or, best case scenario and it only applies if you’re a trans man, you’re turning to patriarchy as a source of gender validation when we should be dismantling the patriarchy. For your own sake, you absolutely need to have a concept of what your gender means to you and a source of validation for that gender that exists outside of patriarchy. If misogyny and by extension male privilege dissolves into nothingness tomorrow, what is it that makes you a man? You don’t need to answer that immediately, but you do need to at least think about it.

i find this image rlly funny bc its so blatantly tells on itself like whoever made it thinks that marginalised men cannot be misogynists and has this thought so naturalised in their mind they typed out all these different kinds of men and never considered that they might also be misogynists

The fact that they get mad gives it away, they don't want you to speak at all.

'transandrophobia doesn't exist in trans communities' mfs when I ask if i can call it misogyny instead

It took me forever to figure out how anyone could reasonably claim that trans men weren’t directly targeted by the EO about “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” until I thought about how that phrasing would be interpreted if you’re thinking of trans women and only trans women. Now I’m slightly less irritated with people saying only trans women are gonna get hit by the EOs and switching from “are you fucking for real right now, like are you just pretending this isn’t even here” to “hey I thought about how this would apply to trans women, can you do the same for trans men?”

If your focus is solely on trans women, “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” means not letting trans women into women’s bathrooms or locker rooms, which is enforced by forcibly detransitioning them legally and socially. The idea being to “protect” cis women from trans women existing near them.

If you focus on trans men tho, “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” means denying them any sort of medical transition and then forcibly detransitioning them legally and socially because the “women” you’re trying to “protect” are both the trans men themselves and the egg transmascs near them who might consider transitioning because they now see it as an option. (See: the common rhetoric of trans men perpetuating a “social contagion” and giving your “daughters” “ROGD.”). This is also why it mentions FGM; they’re not talking about actual female genital mutilation, they’re talking about transmasculine bottom surgery. Phalloplasty is like +$100k and no insurance covers it, so basically anyone who was saving up for it just got told to go fuck themselves.

Not to mention no matter what their ASAB was, nonbinary people are going to be hit but in a way that lumps them in with trans women and trans men based on ASAB. They are just as screwed as the rest of us.

I’m just saying, it would help so much if y’all would just read something and think about how it affects multiple different types of people.

So here's a "transgender activist". Hello!

Reject the reality of biological sex

No one actually rejects the idea that biological sex exists, the ideas that are rejected are:

a) that biological sex as simple as it is claimed, as in exclusively male or female, XX and XY;

b) it matters to the point where we need to structure our entire society around it, and

c) the idea that biological sex should have a determining role on how each individual is allowed to live their life and construct their identity.

All three of these ideas are exclusively found as justifications for a system that oppresses all people, with female, transgender, intersex, and gender non-conforming individuals being hurt the most.

accept the legitimacy of gender roles

This stems from the previous point; try to think about it for a second. If "transgender activists" accepted the legitimacy of gender roles, what would be the point of not identifying as their AGAB? The first, most important, and most oppressive, part of gender roles is the idea that whatever genitals a person is born with must determine their entire lifestyle from the moment of their birth. Penis equals male, vagina equals female, and any mixed or ambiguous genitalia must be surgically mutilated according to the doctor's decision that an individual must be either male or female.

EVEN IF people were being made to transition based on not conforming to gender roles associated with their assigned sex, the idea that they can transition contradicts gender roles as constructed. If "transgender activists" accepted the legitimacy of gender roles, why should someone assigned male at birth be able to call herself a woman, if gender roles dictate that she should either be content with living as a man, or disappear?

If "transgender activists" accepted the legitimacy of gender roles, then transgender activism would solely consist of conversion therapy!

If gender criticals were as critical as they claim, we would be in agreement. Unfortunately the only "criticism" they offer to gender as constructed in patriarchical societies is in the way of hate, to the point of allying themselves with the most vicious "Conservatives/Religionists" to push policies that infringe on the rights of trans, GNC, and intersex people.

But hey, "at least the Taliban knows what a woman is", right?

*gripping my hands so hard on a young trans persons shoulders that their bones are about to break*

do not log on to 4chan.com. do not get involved in passing olympics. you will always lose. do not put afab/amab/tma/tme, that is cisgender society trying to know your “real” gender. you do not exist to please cisgender people. there is no ‘right’ way to be trans. learn your goddamn history, listen to your elders. listen to other disenfranchised groups. listen to intersex people and check yourself for intersexism. listen to trans poc and check yourself for racism. listen to disabled people and check yourself for ableism. be open to learning always. labels are meant to fit you, not the other way around. you are not weird or predatory for simply being attracted to others. you’re fine if you’re not a skinny white twink or a barbie doll. you’re fine if your body is ‘weird’. you’re fine if you don’t have heavy or any dysphoria. it’s okay if you actually don’t want to transition or anything like that. life is worth living at any stage, you deserve to be happy. I SWEAR THAT YOU ARE OKAY!!!!!

If you rrrrreally truly believe in the "evil" of transmascs and their "grabs for gendered power," if you legitimately fear trans men, that's a lot worse for you because it's like, okay, well, good luck with that. I don't really care and no one really should, get over your bizarre personal issues on your own time and then when you're done you can intern for the people agitating for actual transfeminist change in the world since you seem far enough behind that fetching me coffee seems like it might be the zenth of your potential until we can catch you up on remedial praxis.

And don't even start saying I must mean it's ridiculous to be scared of trans men in a bioessentialist way, as though this is me ranking physical strength via AGAB. Any individual transmasc could shoot me or stab me or strangle me with piano wire or indeed, beat me to death with their fists, so could a lot of people, and yet trans men are overwhelmingly supportive allies.

I like it black btw.

"also please consider your intention when centering yourself using language like "equally threatened"" IM KILLING YOU WITH HAMMERS DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF RIGHT NOW

hate people wanting to shut down conversations about transandrophobia say that trans men and mascs "measurably" experience less violence than trans women and fems

one of the core aspects of transandrophobia is erasure. the rates of violence we face cannot be "measurably" different than anything, because the rates of violence we face are deliberately not measured and erased whenever posssible

I think all this online discourse is eroding my ability to see people in social justice spaces as potentially trustworthy allies, not that I had much of it in the first place but yeah

it's actually crazy to me the way people will just say regular 2014 style truscum shit except change "fakers" and "fetishists" and "hurting trans people" to "theyfabs" and "internalized transmisogyny" and "hurting trans women" & everyone eats that shit up like they're starving. I thought we learned but yall really are just memorizing buzzwords huh

Master List of Trans Male/Transmasc Privileges:

The privilege to be forcibly married off

The privilege of being raped and impregnated to "correct" their gender

The privilege of not being treated like a rational human being that knows their body by doctors

The privilege of having your existence erased

The privilege to have little to no studies about trans people involve your voice

The privilege to not have access to domestic violence shelters due to being a man (and not allowed in women's shelters) and not having many, if any shelters for men

The privilege of having your transition treated like you're becoming a violent, disgusting, monster

The privilege of having any sort of hormonal transition impossible to be done DIY due to heavy restrictions on testosterone.

The privilege of increased risk of cervical cancer due to reduced access to pap smears

The privilege of having abortion rights not apply to you

The privilege of being over twice as likely to be raped, compared to cis women (51%/21.3%)

The privilege of having almost 5x the chance of being sexually abused as a child, compared to cis women (50%:11.1%)

The privilege that when you are assaulted, to not have access to rape kits

The privilege of not being able to report a hate crime due to barriers

The privilege of experiencing isolation, rejection and distrust due to now presenting masculine

The privilege to have your pregnancy treated as some sort of sick joke

The privilege of a lack of credible research about how to provide adequate healthcare to transgender men undergoing medical transition

The privilege of not being invited for ovarian cancer screenings due to your gender being listed as M

The privilege of doctors not knowing how to check for breast cancer if you've had top surgery

The privilege of an increased risk of AIDS due to the most common PrEP meds such as Descovy not working on AFAB individuals

Others feel free to chime in! The list is ever growing

trans women who don't fight for trans men and nonbinary people don't care about all trans people, they only care about themselves.

trans men who don't fight for trans women and nonbinary people don't care about all trans people, they only care about themselves.

nonbinary people who don't fight for trans women and trans men don't care about all trans people, they only care about themselves.

if we want to survive and succeed, the only way is through solidarity. any trans activism that does not include all trans people has failed as trans activism.

If hatred is what fuels your activism, then your activism is probably bullshit

if you've only seen the term transandrophobia through discourse, this is your invitation to think about it outside of a discourse context (for both people for and against the term)

there are many of us who use the word to talk about real life issues, though I can excuse you not knowing that if you've only seen the discourse and not any real conversations, since queer discourse has a way of flattening these convos, which I really really dislike

I also encourage you to think about transmisogyny and oppression as a whole outside of the discourse context, just as a refresher, since I see those topics being steamrolled as well which is sad

back in the ace discourse words like aphobia and homophobia/lesbophobia also got steamrolled like this. if you do think that trans men/mascs experience a unique oppression, whether or not you like the word, I encourage you to think of us outside of a discourse context. and even if you don't believe we do, I ask you think of transmisogyny and oppression as a whole outside of a discourse context, just to keep yourself from falling into the steamrolled versions

I think we should be able to talk about trans people dying without it being a footnote in online discourse

"i have no doubts about the rich inner world of their own gender identies but it's clear they are just men trying to be predatory" how can you write something like this without realizing how transphobic it is holy mother of fucking god. maybe they feel connected to masculinity and not manhood BECAUSE THEY DO NOT IDENTIFY AS MEN. it is not some secret mask to hide behind so they can abuse you. jesus fucking christ the fearmongering has to stop. the perpetual victimhood has to stop. if you have so few braincells you think a non stealth transmasc is oppressing you then maybe you need to get off tumblr and have a fucking brain transplant

whole lotta talk about transfems being transandrophobic and not enough talk about transmascs being transandrophobic. its just as bad and definitely something that happens in irl spaces

like a lot of time transmasculine "victimhood" is not about the transmasculine person themself. it's about the abstract ideal daughter that is grafted onto their body. when people talk about protecting their daughters from themselves, they mean they must kill the evil dyke to save the fantasy of a good daughter/future wife and mother. it's the same thing that happens with ageism towards children, where your "real" identity is the value you represent to society, and you- the consciousness driving the body- can and will be punished if you are seen as threatening that hypothetical person they need you to be. transmasculine people are not seen as innocent. their body represents the sexual labor society demands of them, and the social failure inside the body has to be beaten and forced into submission to protect the body.

Galaxy brain genderfuck call yourself whatever you want cryptid neurogender fagdyke throwing up pissing and shitting himself at the transfem butch that goes by she/her

men are so whiny and sensitive about this oh my god. do you not hear how misogynistic entitled and lesbophobic this is and also just what a huge loser you sound like. "lesbians hate us because we're MEN and not sexy butch lesbians" Well yeah.. obviously.. even cis men can usually put it together that lesbians probably love lesbians more than men, so why are you so confused? you expecting some sort of special pussy treatment? No one wishes you would become a butch lesbian, you are thinking quite highly of yourself though aren't you

men are so whiny and sensitive about this oh my god. do you not hear how misogynistic entitled and lesbophobic this is and also just what a huge loser you sound like. "lesbians hate us because we're MEN and not sexy butch lesbians" Well yeah.. obviously.. even cis men can usually put it together that lesbians probably love lesbians more than men, so why are you so confused? you expecting some sort of special pussy treatment? No one wishes you would become a butch lesbian, you are thinking quite highly of yourself though aren't you

Hey y’all; would be real interested to hear from anyone willing to share and discuss, about other people’s experiences of transandrophobia specifically in fandom spaces.

I guess I’m just trying to find some more solidarity about the issue since fandom is such an escapism hobby and when that gets tainted, it really, really sucks.

Some of my own experiences include (tw: sa mention | tw: dv):

- Getting told I can’t write realistic gay mlm sex scenes because I’m a trans gay man not a cisgender gay man (but the cisgender woman who said it to me can write realistic gay mlm sex??? 🤔 make it make sense)

- Getting told it’s fetishistic for me specifically to write about male characters in anything but platonic relationships

- Getting mocked after mentioning not being able to watch an episode of a show because there was a male rape scene and as a rape survivor that identifies as male, it was too triggering. Cue the ‘men can’t be raped’ and ‘you’re not actually a man if you say you were raped’ comments. Then having a gif of the rape scene in question sent to me via PM as a ‘joke’.

- Talked about having some empathy for a character who experienced intimate partner violence because of my own experience. Getting told by someone relatively prominent in that fandom that it’s different because those are ‘two male characters’ and that I ‘deserved’ the domestic abuse I experienced with my ex because I’m a trans man who ‘tricked’ a gay man into being with me. (For the record my partner was bi and he knew I was trans before we got together, but fuck me I guess!)

It took me forever to figure out how anyone could reasonably claim that trans men weren’t directly targeted by the EO about “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” until I thought about how that phrasing would be interpreted if you’re thinking of trans women and only trans women. Now I’m slightly less irritated with people saying only trans women are gonna get hit by the EOs and switching from “are you fucking for real right now, like are you just pretending this isn’t even here” to “hey I thought about how this would apply to trans women, can you do the same for trans men?”

If your focus is solely on trans women, “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” means not letting trans women into women’s bathrooms or locker rooms, which is enforced by forcibly detransitioning them legally and socially. The idea being to “protect” cis women from trans women existing near them.

If you focus on trans men tho, “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” means denying them any sort of medical transition and then forcibly detransitioning them legally and socially because the “women” you’re trying to “protect” are both the trans men themselves and the egg transmascs near them who might consider transitioning because they now see it as an option. (See: the common rhetoric of trans men perpetuating a “social contagion” and giving your “daughters” “ROGD.”). This is also why it mentions FGM; they’re not talking about actual female genital mutilation, they’re talking about transmasculine bottom surgery. Phalloplasty is like +$100k and no insurance covers it, so basically anyone who was saving up for it just got told to go fuck themselves.

Not to mention no matter what their ASAB was, nonbinary people are going to be hit but in a way that lumps them in with trans women and trans men based on ASAB. They are just as screwed as the rest of us.

I’m just saying, it would help so much if y’all would just read something and think about how it affects multiple different types of people.