Tell Me About It. 

Interesting point and you aren’t wrong that Chloe needs the third persons or called a proper model neither Audrey nor Ladybug. The adults must have guiding her without putting any lies or sugarcoat like saint Zoe and spineless teacher like Mayor Buster (lol).

Maybe, didn’t make her as Hero nor (manipulated) Villains is the neutral way for her existence. In conclusion, she needs a good figure far from an abusive manipulative grown ass adults and sugarcoater like Marinette/Zoe which are both of them don’t have any right to help her but at least they don’t need to exacerbate her minds with half hearted love and hope.

From what I've observed with Chloe, she does follow along people she respects. It was that way with Ladybug. For a bit, it was also that way with Ms Bustier. Definitely was that way with Aubrey. And as of late, it's been that way with Lila. Its a pattern for Chloe to admire a woman or a girl she deems as a cut above the rest and is susceptible to listening to them whether they're teaching her right or wrong. YMMV if this can be interpreted as a hint of her preferences with rooted mommy issues, but one thing's for sure, she does admire all of these people... this is why I think in the early stages, I think a character like this can greatly help her. A character like this has the strongest sway on whether she can change for the better or not.

But in the long run, what I would've personally wanted most for Chloe is to learn she is enough as it is. She doesn't need their approval to call herself exceptional, whether she goes good, evil or neutral.

Chloe Bourgeois - Not a Typical Mean Girl

No, I am not going to sit here and talks about Chloe's family, or issues, or one writers seeming obsession with her. No!

I am here to discuss what I think is a very common misunderstanding about Chloe's character and the show in fandom that often crops up in discussion regarding her.

Namely that the thing Chloe needs most is to be chastised, rejected & punished for her mean behavior, that will sort her out!

As though that wasn't already a thing that happens?

Bear with me and I'll explain that claim first:

The school does not like punishing any students. The only reason Alya was punished for coordinating an effort to break into Chloe's locker is because Chloe threatened the principle. The only reason Marinette was almost expelled was because Lila framed her for cheating, theft & assault all in one day & she still needed to make a scene of the whole affair. There's one teacher that punishes students, but she does so unfairly, cruelly and haphazardly and in season 1, Chloe was not shown getting any special treatment from her. Special treatment from the faculty was not a thing unless we are counting later retcons.

So now that the faculty is out of the way, wat I mean is that Chloe is not a typical mean girl because she is not popular.

In stuff like Mean Girls, Heathers and so on, the usual standard is that the mean girls are mean, but they are also revered, beloved, popular in one way or another despite their horrible behavior.

This is not the case with Chloe.

Even in Season 1 where only Marinette & Nino seems to start the season disliking Chloe. (Her presence unpleasant but hardly traumatic given the Origins level bickering) Chloe was still not widely well liked by the class or school.

She had one friend in Sabrina and a second oh so briefly in Adrien, which did let her absorb some of his celebrity by proximity. But within 48 hours of having him she lost him; with Adrien becoming more distant to divorce himself from her behavior.

That's it and while one can say her haughty attitude and ego are the reason we know from season 2 she is aware everyone hates her & it upsets her.

S1-Chloe did get invited to some class events, but even then her presence was not largely welcomed with most far less prone to be patient with her than they were with others even if they exhibited similar behavior. Such as Kim bullying Ivan, or Nino expressing blatant frustration with Mylene, ETC.

By late season 2 she was pretty much entirely segregated from her peers, barring Sabrina, and her presence welcomed with shades of disinterest, disdain or outright hostility. Sometimes evoked on her part or just in general.

This is a big difference from the usual Mean Girls = Popular Girls trend but I often don't see it acknowledged in fandom discourse.

This especially feels to be the case given so often I see people arguing Chloe "needs" to be rejected, or told her behavior is bad, or that no one likes her... But she is, all the time, she is entirely aware people don't like her and unhappy about it.

The issue is not that her bad behavior is being rewarded in school. The issue is that bad behavior is what she was taught at home and what is encouraged there and what is shown to work for her parents. But it doesn't work for her and she doesn't know why, because no one really bothers to teach her why. hey just get angry and snap at her or ignore her.

& sure you can say its not her peers job to explain morality o empathy to someone who was explicitly taught by their father how to cheat at & win elections by intimidation. But the fact is no one at home is going to do so because they are modelling, encouraging & teaching the opposite up until it impacts 'them' personally.

Not sure if there's a greater point to this, but...

I often find people acting like the thing Chloe needs is for her bad behavior not to be 'rewarded' or 'indulged' by her class and to instead be 'rejected' and for her to face 'consequences'.

But she does! That's basically all she does; & When she doesn't usually an Akuma tries to murder her anyway!

So yeah, Chloe isn't a typical mean girl.

She's actually deeply unpopular among classmates and the school has a discipline issue all over, it didn't come from her.

More negativity is not going to magically make her "better".

"See how nature – the trees, flowers, grass – grows in silence. See the stars, the moon and the sun, how they move in silence. We need Silence to be able to touch souls." - Mother Teresa.

High School of the Dead fanfic “World of the Dead” by Rassilon001 (that where I found this)

All that was (Part 2)

All that I have cherished ensnares my dreams

Becoming tighter as I am pulled further

My hands cling to the crumbling abyss

Taking every bit of me not to fall in 

But eventually it will leave me alone

(Enjoy.)

Catherine the great.... A woman with taste.

Wow...Pamela is ripped. I see where Jason gets the muscles from. 

Camp Counselor Jason’s work out routine!

Alsooo yeah BUFF Pamela is my headcanon cus how else is she able to pull all those kills in Friday the 13th? One of them had a dead male body hanging up on the door by some arrows, Pamela would need to fuckin YOLKED to pull that off!

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Chloe’s Atonement

In the series Chloe is granted the Bee Miraculous and allowed to become a hero for a few episodes. She does a few good deeds and she seems to be on the road to redemption. But to me there is just one problem... 

 She never atones for anything she did. She does a few good deeds and we are supposed to believe that all is forgiven and that she is redeemed. That is not how it should work. While she did good things it does not erase the hurt she inflicted. 

 In fanon when Chloe is trying to be better one of the thing she does is apologize to Marinette (the girl who has been her biggest target) and works hard to prove herself a different person. She defends her from Lila onslaughts and supports her in her business as MDC. She is less brash and dismissive of her classmates' feelings but still maintains her sassy wit but it's on a nice level.

 Also she is willing to swallow her pride and attempt to make amends with certain classmates in and outside of class and can accept that they won't forgive her. Some fanworks even go as far as to give Chloe therapy in order to help her pinpoint her problems and deal with them properly.

 Through these efforts Chloe slowly but surely works towards redemption allowing her to become a better person. But instead of the series "trying" to do that all it did was tease us with false hope.

Scourge the Hedgehog 

Shades off 🕶

Do You think all the rumors that Chloe is not coming back for season 6 of miraculous ladybug is true or not? Maybe she'll come back as cameos, flashbacks or mentioning her name in future

Oh I hope so. Because someone has a picture of a red hair girl that might be our girl's new look. They destroyed her reputation on screen enough they don't need to do it if she not going to be there. Seriously the way the series did her was just cruel.

But it would take a lot to properly reinsert into the show without being a over the top. But in the end it's up to the creator and writers so.... Cross fingers.

Chloe and Zoe (Poor Unfortunate Souls)

At first I wanted to not like Zoe as I felt and I still feel like her only reason for being created was to be a better version of her sister. But it occurred to me she was in just a bad situation as Chloe only difference is how they are responded to in universe and they are depicted to the audience.

 Chloe is the daughter who's Dad who instead of giving her the attention and love that she needed would buy her gifts to compensate her when he was to busy. She is the daughter who no matter how she acted, no matter how hard she tried she could never measure up to her mother's expectations. 

 Zoe is the daughter who was bullied back home because she acted in way that nobody back home liked and she only had 1 friend. Her relationship with her Dad is unknown but it's seems distant however with Mr. Bourgeois she almost immediately bonds with him and he in turns tells her all his past dreams. (Why didn't he ever tell these things to Chloe?)

 From the characters in show perspective Zoe is this kind, forgiving, sweet girl who makes everything seem better (thus she has to have the bee miraculous) and Chloe is this girl who just a product of her environment of psychological and emotional abuse (by her mom) and unintentional neglect by her dad.

 So even though WE have seen Chloe for the person she really is and we know that she is child who is stuck in bad situation and has no idea how to get out of it because it is all she knows and nobody ever really showed her otherwise. 

 Anyway my point is that neither of these characters are bad, but the way they are depicted and the reason behind their appearance on the show. Chloe deserves a chance to get better, she deserves the opportunity to atone for her mistakes. As far as Zoe since she is still relatively new I will give her a chance but so far what I've seen doesn't appeal to me.