One day I might post something but I have to gather the confidence, I believe in redemption and atonement (and if creators refuse there is always fanon)
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So, apparently, an adult supervillain whose been terrorizing a city for years, rarely actually shows remorse for his actions and is also a neglectful and controlling parent because of the “death” of his wife is “sympathetic” and “redeemable”
but a teenage girl whose a bully because she has an abusive mother who constantly belittled her and can’t even remember her own name that she so desperately wants the approval of and a father who just spoils her to death, who showed remorse for her actions at times and was actually on the road to changing and becoming a better person after becoming a superhero before it was taken all away from her at the last second is “irredeemable” and “absolutely evil”.
Thomas Astruc’s logic is absolutely ridiculous.
Interesting point and you aren’t wrong that Chloe needs the third persons or called a proper model neither Audrey nor Ladybug. The adults must have guiding her without putting any lies or sugarcoat like saint Zoe and spineless teacher like Mayor Buster (lol).
Maybe, didn’t make her as Hero nor (manipulated) Villains is the neutral way for her existence. In conclusion, she needs a good figure far from an abusive manipulative grown ass adults and sugarcoater like Marinette/Zoe which are both of them don’t have any right to help her but at least they don’t need to exacerbate her minds with half hearted love and hope.
From what I've observed with Chloe, she does follow along people she respects. It was that way with Ladybug. For a bit, it was also that way with Ms Bustier. Definitely was that way with Aubrey. And as of late, it's been that way with Lila. Its a pattern for Chloe to admire a woman or a girl she deems as a cut above the rest and is susceptible to listening to them whether they're teaching her right or wrong. YMMV if this can be interpreted as a hint of her preferences with rooted mommy issues, but one thing's for sure, she does admire all of these people... this is why I think in the early stages, I think a character like this can greatly help her. A character like this has the strongest sway on whether she can change for the better or not.
But in the long run, what I would've personally wanted most for Chloe is to learn she is enough as it is. She doesn't need their approval to call herself exceptional, whether she goes good, evil or neutral.
No, I am not going to sit here and talks about Chloe's family, or issues, or one writers seeming obsession with her. No!
I am here to discuss what I think is a very common misunderstanding about Chloe's character and the show in fandom that often crops up in discussion regarding her.
Namely that the thing Chloe needs most is to be chastised, rejected & punished for her mean behavior, that will sort her out!
As though that wasn't already a thing that happens?
Bear with me and I'll explain that claim first:
The school does not like punishing any students. The only reason Alya was punished for coordinating an effort to break into Chloe's locker is because Chloe threatened the principle. The only reason Marinette was almost expelled was because Lila framed her for cheating, theft & assault all in one day & she still needed to make a scene of the whole affair. There's one teacher that punishes students, but she does so unfairly, cruelly and haphazardly and in season 1, Chloe was not shown getting any special treatment from her. Special treatment from the faculty was not a thing unless we are counting later retcons.
So now that the faculty is out of the way, wat I mean is that Chloe is not a typical mean girl because she is not popular.
In stuff like Mean Girls, Heathers and so on, the usual standard is that the mean girls are mean, but they are also revered, beloved, popular in one way or another despite their horrible behavior.
This is not the case with Chloe.
Even in Season 1 where only Marinette & Nino seems to start the season disliking Chloe. (Her presence unpleasant but hardly traumatic given the Origins level bickering) Chloe was still not widely well liked by the class or school.
She had one friend in Sabrina and a second oh so briefly in Adrien, which did let her absorb some of his celebrity by proximity. But within 48 hours of having him she lost him; with Adrien becoming more distant to divorce himself from her behavior.
That's it and while one can say her haughty attitude and ego are the reason we know from season 2 she is aware everyone hates her & it upsets her.
S1-Chloe did get invited to some class events, but even then her presence was not largely welcomed with most far less prone to be patient with her than they were with others even if they exhibited similar behavior. Such as Kim bullying Ivan, or Nino expressing blatant frustration with Mylene, ETC.
By late season 2 she was pretty much entirely segregated from her peers, barring Sabrina, and her presence welcomed with shades of disinterest, disdain or outright hostility. Sometimes evoked on her part or just in general.
This is a big difference from the usual Mean Girls = Popular Girls trend but I often don't see it acknowledged in fandom discourse.
This especially feels to be the case given so often I see people arguing Chloe "needs" to be rejected, or told her behavior is bad, or that no one likes her... But she is, all the time, she is entirely aware people don't like her and unhappy about it.
The issue is not that her bad behavior is being rewarded in school. The issue is that bad behavior is what she was taught at home and what is encouraged there and what is shown to work for her parents. But it doesn't work for her and she doesn't know why, because no one really bothers to teach her why. hey just get angry and snap at her or ignore her.
& sure you can say its not her peers job to explain morality o empathy to someone who was explicitly taught by their father how to cheat at & win elections by intimidation. But the fact is no one at home is going to do so because they are modelling, encouraging & teaching the opposite up until it impacts 'them' personally.
Not sure if there's a greater point to this, but...
I often find people acting like the thing Chloe needs is for her bad behavior not to be 'rewarded' or 'indulged' by her class and to instead be 'rejected' and for her to face 'consequences'.
But she does! That's basically all she does; & When she doesn't usually an Akuma tries to murder her anyway!
So yeah, Chloe isn't a typical mean girl.
She's actually deeply unpopular among classmates and the school has a discipline issue all over, it didn't come from her.
More negativity is not going to magically make her "better".
I'm still tired of Miraculous Ladybug. However, I got bored, so I made this. Enjoy this meme.
Mortality box kwami idea:
A barn owl parasite kwami with themes of dreams/nightmares mixed with some crystal ball(/seance) elements
Okay, so the black eyes got me like immediately, I couldn't not pick it first XD
Chloe a.k.a. Cornelia as Strixelle! Not a 100% satisfied with the costume, but it'll do for now
Hey do you ever heard of sym bionic titan? If you haven't, I thought you should watch that show on ITunes
I have and I think I use to watch it.
I will check it out.
Apologies for late response
Do You think all the rumors that Chloe is not coming back for season 6 of miraculous ladybug is true or not? Maybe she'll come back as cameos, flashbacks or mentioning her name in future
Oh I hope so. Because someone has a picture of a red hair girl that might be our girl's new look. They destroyed her reputation on screen enough they don't need to do it if she not going to be there. Seriously the way the series did her was just cruel.
But it would take a lot to properly reinsert into the show without being a over the top. But in the end it's up to the creator and writers so.... Cross fingers.
Endless TLOVM
She is a selfish, gaslighting, manipulative young girl who twist the narrative in order to play the victim.
She is one of those people who think that being liked gives her leverage to be a closet jerk. Her sweet smile and good advice is only permitted to those she likes.
I've always noticed how the show would twist the narrative to make everyone else wrong just so Marinette aka Ladybug could swoop in and save the day. (Nevermind the fact that she caused half the problems and she rarely made any amends to the people she hurt)
But the people she wronged they are supposed to kiss her ass and be her friends. What kind of world is that?!
A world that caters to a double standard myopic heroine. This season proved how selfish and petty Marinette is and how much of a FUBAR this show is.
Chloe was the only good thing in this series. Was she nice? No. Good? She wanted to be. But she was a interesting character with a lot of depth and could have been something more then.... this tragedy.
I will take a interesting character like Chloe over the flavors of blah, bland, and boring that are Marinette and Co.
Wip that im really proud of!! Dk when or if I’m going to finish it lmao so Imma post this rn,, if you couldnt tell I’m practing bgs and yes the perspective is wonky as fuck but its a start
Reblogs are appreciated! ^^
A line quoted by the main protagonist and our titular heroine in season 1. Marinette aka Ladybug
And yet when evil was unmasked she chose to turn a blind eye to his actions.
She chose to turn a blind eye and turn of all sense of logic and sense of reason.
She chose to ignore her own conscious and all the cruel and psychopathic manipulative actions PAST AND PRESENT.
And she gave evil exactly what he wanted. She gave Hawkmoth/Monarch aka Gabriel Agreste what he wanted!
Did she forget how he emotional and psychologically terrorized her, her family and her friends. How he manipulated all of them. Did those events get erased from history?
No. She found someone else to blame.
She couldn't allow her love one's father name to be sullied so why not scapegoat the girl no one likes as the bad guy?
Why? Because she had so many chances to change and everyone around her has "tried" to "help" her. (Lies always make hypocrites feel better about their double standard morality.) But as her once close friend said "You'll never change."
Evil doesn't triumph when good people do nothing. It triumphs when "good" people play favorites on who deserves redemption and who is beyond it.
Marinette you are not a hero in my book. You are selfish, entitled, manipulative young girl who thinks because she's nice and people like you she can get away with bias behavior and playing favorites. You did nothing to help Chloe when she was suffering and instead you pushed her into the arms of her abuser. You knew Chloe was falling behind in class and you did nothing.
"Evil triumphs when good people do nothing" Without good people to hold us accountable or help us become better we fall victim to the sway of vices that we know.
That is exactly what happened. Evil triumphed because their were no good people to stop them.
Just complicit and blind eyed fools.
After seeing the leaks, I think Marinette should just not butt into any abused child's situation with their abusive parents. Ever. Not again.
She's just not equipped to properly deal with the complexities of it and help them reach a satisfying conclusion. There is no neat solution to this where nobody gets hurt like she would've liked. Her solutions so far had been: a.) letting the child bond with parent through being mean and embrace their toxic influence or b.) keeping the child out of the loop by building a bubble of lies to keep him happy.
No salt to Marinette, but this ain't one of her strong points.
Zoe is a wasp. She is the human embodiment of a wasp.
She came to Paris and slowly inserted herself into Chloe's life all while pushing her out of it.
She took away the one thing that made Chloe feel like she was something special. Her hero mantle. Then has the arrogance to brag.
She took away her father (who by the way chose to disown is own daughter because the other one is nicer.) I'm pretty sure that's not how the chain of custody works between parents especially seeing as he isn't hers! I am sure her actually father would have an actual say. (But given the lack laws involving theft, stalking, harassment, etc. (all from the main protagonist by the way) maybe not.
That whole speech about how much she loved her sister was like her. Fake and nothing else less. She told Chloe what she wanted to hear something her sister is used to and played on her sister need for her Mother's affection and love.
She is a wasp. Zoe Lee may look pretty but at the end of the day she is nothing more then a pretty wasp.
A pretty parasitic wasp. And like what a wasp does to a bee. It devours and steals all it has until it is forced out of its own hive.
Zoe Lee aka Vesperia you are unneeded character at best and useless in general.
First off and pardon thou french
THE FUCK!
How dare they!
Marinette you did nothing to help Chloe. You told her to bond with her Emotionally abusive mother because she was no different. That was the one time you should have butted out.
You and your friends make rude and snide comments whenever Chloe used her Father power to get what she wanted (but no problem doing yourself as ladybug)
You were the Class Rep it was your job to look out for all your classmates to just the ones you like. The fact that you knew what Chloe was doing shows how irresponsible and favoritism you are.
Ms. Bustier you did nothing but expect the her classmates to teach her better. It's not her classmates job to.
And finally Andre Bourgeois
You neglectful ass. You are her father, her guide to becoming a good person. You knew what kind of person Audrey is and let Chloe emulate that toxic behavior. You taught Chloe her behavior she is this way because you never enforced any type of guidance or structure. You never told her no.
But now that you have your perfectly sweet vanilla daughter Zoe you can rid yourself of the one you and your monster of a wife screwed up!
All of you did nothing but contribute to Chloe downfall. Is Chloe a bully. Yes. But to call that justice is just cruel and hateful.
She needs counseling, therapy, meds. The last thing she needs is to be left alone with her Abusive mother.
You called out Chloe for bullying Marinette but this is not the first time she has displayed such before but now that Marinette is girlfriend now you make your "annoyance" known
I'm curious where this high and mighty golden morality was when Chloe was bullying the class season 1-4.
When Marinette and Chloe were both harassing Kagami and you during your date? You didn't really do much and your date went home.
Is it selective depending on circumstances? Or does it depend on who's in the room?
#Weapons #awesome
Early 17th Century Combination warhammer and warpick/six shot gun.
Has six barrels concealed on it for six shots. The head contains five barrels, their muzzles concealed by a hinged cover forming the edge of the hammer. The topmost barrel is ignited by a matchlock fitted on one side of the head, its mechanism concealed by a brass plate cut out and engraved in the form of a lion. The second barrel has a wheellock ignition system, the mechanism of which occupies most of the outer surface of the opposite side of the axe-head. There is a tubular extension to the pan of the wheellock intended to hold a length of match which would be ignited by the flash of the priming and then withdrawn to ignite the three remaining barrels. A sixth barrel, also hand-ignited, is concealed within the haft.
Part of the Royal Armouries Collection, on display at the Tower of London.
Cute lil kitty!
Just a thought and shooting it out there but if Keyleth hadn't been able to get the Sun Tree to create that light to help break Cassandra and Vax out of Sylas control Vex and Percy might have been killed by their own siblings.
Keyleth at that saved both Cassandra and Vax from doing something they would have regretted in the end.
I always like to imagine what would happen if just one thing was different if one thing had happen in a scene. How that would change the outcome of the fight, of the entire arc? Would it began it's spiral down on a darker path or would the heroes find a way to prevail?
What do you all think?
Though I have seen little of the original series I have fallen in love with this one. From the moment I saw the pictures posted that inspired me to go and find out what it was and the characters. I have fallen and love with each character and their story. But particularly the Briarwoods and there is a small part of me that wanted the NecRomantic couple to win. (They might have been the villains everything they did was for each other, and both are willing to sacrifice so much to ensure they can be together that makes their love is so touching)
Also Vax got charmed twice by Sylas. Both times was my favorite each episode and the fight that took place between Vax and his sister was awesome and I love fact that he knew who he was fighting her but knew he couldn’t disobey the charm place on him. Also just a thought and I am just putting it out there what if Vax while under that Charm had killed Vex while Keyleth was to exhausted (note this is just a thought) and Cassandra had managed to incapacitate her brother. Could one of them maybe had been that sacrifice.
If this offends or annoys anyone then I’m sorry but I just wanted to share my thoughts. Looking forward to season 2....Dragons!
I would be happy to read the different perspectives of sexual gratifications that various characters getting oral from Hiccup.
Another kink question, hehe (it's fun!). Getting oral sex from Hiccup is the prompt for the characters... everybody in the Riders (Hiccup inclusive), Dagur, Viggo. Also: getting oral sex from Astrid for Heather.
This is really fun! Thank you!
Astrid: Astrid arched her hips into Hiccup's eager mouth, head tilting back, hands clawing at his hair. "Yes, Hiccup. Fucking gods!" His tongue was vigorously working at her swollen clit, and she felt like she was going to come.
Fishlegs: Fishlegs squeaked at the sight of Hiccup taking his cock into his mouth. He was nervous about the size of his cock sometimes, but Hiccup took most of it into his mouth almost easily. He hummed around it, and Fishlegs began to relax, letting out a moan. One hand went to gently cradle Hiccup's head.
Snotlout: Snotlout was more than flattered when Hiccup told him he wanted to suck his cock. Snotlout didn't think he had a cock that was good for sucking, but Hiccup got on his knees anyway and pulled his pants down. Snotlout moaned as he took the head into his mouth and sucked. "Mm, Hiccup..."
Ruffnut: Ruffnut watched happily as Hiccup ate her out. He was good at it, and she let him know this, her fingers threaded through his hair. "Damn, Hiccup! You know how to make a girl have a good time!"
Tuffnut: "You're sucking my cock."
"I am."
Tuffnut hadn't expected this for some reason, hadn't expected much foreplay, but here it was. Hiccup just looked up from between his legs.
"May I continue?"
Tuffnut smiled. "Fuck yeah."
Dagur: "That's it, baby! Fuck, fuck!" Dagur had Hiccup's face pressed against his pelvis, his cock in his throat, and he was taking him like an expert. "Where'd you learn how to do this?"
Hiccup pulled off of him with a pop, filling the empty space his mouth had been with his hand, and Dagur let out a low groan.
"You're assuming I'm a virgin." Hiccup licked the tip of Dagur's cock, smiled. "I'm not."
Viggo: "Mm, my dear, your tongue is like silk," Viggo purred. He sat in his throne with Hiccup on his knees before him, eagerly licking at his cock. He had one hand in Hiccup's hair and the other around a goblet of wine. He tilted his head back and sipped the last of it, letting out a very small moan as Hiccup began to suck him. Yes, this was the perfect way to spend his night.
Heather: Heather grabbed violently at Astrid's hair, tugging on it till the point that Astrid was releasing a sound of shock into her cunt. Astrid didn't ask her to let go though, and Heather didn't think she could stop herself. She just felt so good. "Shit, Astrid!" This woman knew how to use her tongue!
linkin park, melanie martinez, three days grace, panic! at the disco, Ali Project and Korn.
Reblog and put in the tags an artist who you like every single song from
I am looking forward to seeing which badniks Sonic spindashes into. This is going to so awesome. The tornado...Yay!
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT-
WE’RE GETTING NEWS ABOUT THE NEW GAME AND THE MOVIE TRAILER TOMORROW?!??!?
I would like to see a “Evil Within” or a Outlast movie.
What about you?
Tell me about it.
Chloe is like making Homemade Chocolate chip Cookies. Sure you have some trouble, you might have to ask for help but at the end of the day it’s worth it to see your work turn into something delicious.
Zoe is like a pack of Chips Ahoy. Sure they taste sweet but it’s not the same.
The difference one you actually had to work to make and the other came already wrapped in neat package.
I like to compare Chloe’s character development to making a homemade Cake, Sure it’s messy, sometimes frustrating, you might want a quit aftera few failures but when its done it one of the most delicious things ever. And I compare Zoe to someone giving up after step 2 of The Chloe Cake and just buying an overly sweet, overly decorated store bought cake that everyone just automatically loves even though
#Chloe bourgeois #Chloe Sugar #Chloe’s the Best #The Only Queen Bee we need
I love this.
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My biggest mistake wasn’t falling in love with you. It was thinking you had fallen for me too.
Unknown (via thoughtkick)
“My mistake wasn’t that I fell in love but that by the time I learned how you where gone.”
Doing nothing is doing something. What I’m doing while doing nothing is for me. Nobody likes last minute invites. They force you to change your plans just to accommodate whoever invited you to them. When you say your doing nothing that does not mean you are available to do whatever the other wants. Doing Nothing is for your moment for you.
Don’t invite me anywhere last minute I enjoy doing nothing so I need to know ahead of time if my plan to do nothing needs to be changed
Hello it has been a while since I posted anything and after careful thought I have decided to post about why I am against Adrinette or more specific why I do not support Adrinette.
(Note if you are a shipper of this couple that is good and I think that is wonderful. But I am not.)
Now here are my reasons why
Marinette does not respect boundries. In several episodes Marinette has invade Adrien's privacy (Chat Blanc, Party Crasher,Copycat)
Chat Blanc: She broke into his room as Ladybug, walked all over his room, and sniffed his pillow. Just to leave him a present. Question?
She saw him beore a few minutes before doing that in his limo. Why couldn't she just run to his house (and wait until he got home) or call out to him and give him the gift?
Party Crasher: Adrien wanted to have a guys only party. Instead of respecting that she puts on a awful disguise to get in just so she can be near him. It's selfish on her par because she ditched her other friends to go to a party she was not supposed to be at. Question?
Was this fair of Marinette to do to her friends or Adrien. My answer No.
Copycat: She stole his phone. She phone because she left an embarassing message. Question?
Why couldn't she just call him and explain what happened or why couldn't she just confront him at school explain what happen and ask him to delete the message.
She does't trust him around other people (specifically other girls) (examples: volpina, ikari gozen, onii-chan)
Volpina: She didn't say anything say about Lila lies until Adrien came in the picture. For half the episode she followed Adrien and Lila around. Then when Lila was getting close to Adrien she chose to transform in Ladybug just to call out Lila. Question?
Why didn't she just confront them both in the library? Why didn't she as Marinette just take the book and go. (Even tikki called her out on her jealousy.) I do not approve of Lila lying but if it was a big deal why didn't she say anything to her other friends? She told them several lies all of which could have been debunked with research.
Ikari Gozen: (This mainly focuses on Kagami) She joined teams with her for the sole purpose of sabotaging her. She didn't join her in that friendship scavenger hunt to be a good person but to ensure that Kagami won't be able to be with Adrien. Then throughout she talk bad behind Kagami back to Alya as if Kagami was the bad guy. Then come the selfie challenge: when given Kagami phone instead of completing said task she proceed to snoop around in the hopes of finding something. Question?
Why did she join with Kagami if she didn't want her to win. Why couldn't she just tell her the truth? Why couldn't Marinette swallow her pride and actually helped Kagami? Who knows Kagami might have insisted Marinette go with Adrien as a thanks for her help. But no instead it ends with Marinette and Kagami becoming friends. That is not realistic in any sense (atleast in my opinion).
Onii-chan: She tried to break into Adrien house just to spy on him because Lila was there. Marinette knows that Adrien knows that she is a liar so she knows that can handle himself around her. (I am more upset with the firefighter). Question?
Why?
The schedule book and pull down schedule. Kagami even stated that she know Adrien schedule for the next three years. That is not normal. She knows where he is going to be 24/7 and where he should and will be in the future unless the schedule changes. Question?
Why does she need these things? She is not his family, his assistant, photographer, or any thing that would require her having it so why? Why does she need to know where Adrien is all time? Does she think something is going to happen if she doesn't know where his next photoshoot is?
She does not know him. She fantasizes about. only a handful of episodes has she actually spend time with him genuinely. However from what I have seen she mostly fantasizes about him. I do not think she really knows him. She only spends time with him as Ladybug and Chat Noir. She has only spent time with him because of something else. She never tries to get to know Adrien as a person but only sees an image of the "perfect" boy that she has created in her head.
Above I do not believe a relationship would work between Adrien and Marinette. She does not respect him or his privacy. She shows a lack of trust in him (by not trusting any female his age around him she thinks something is going to happen). She stalks him and has a warped idea of their relationship (or what she thinks is their relationship: Volpina: calling Adrien "the love of her life." I know it was probably made as a joke but her behavior around him and Lila seemed somewhat possessive. That is a trait that is never good in a relationship. Her behavior around Adrien when she teamed up with Chloe in Animaestro. The fact that she not only willingly teamed up with someone she does not like just to sabotage another a girl (Kagami) all because she was with Adrien. Now Chloe definitely played a role here but no one made Marinette and the fact that she did this speaks to her level of insecurity.
I think in order for Adrien and Marinette relationship to work they would have to spend genuine time together. She would have to get to him as person and he would have to get to her. Find out the things they have in common and bond that. They could bond over the fashion industry (her being a designer, him being a model) or they could bond over videogames. Or they find something they both lie and just talk about it.
If anything I said offended anyone I apologize. These are opinions. Just as I will respect yours I hope that you will respect mine.
If I missed anything please let me know
Stay safe out everyone.