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Shinso also got the waist reduction lol

And the most obvious example of this trend is Dabi

His body is totally different in the anime than what it is in the manga.

I find funny how the anime constantly makes Shigaraki look like Lou Ferrigno in terms of muscles, in some cases his head looks like it doesn't belong to his own body:

But then you have Horikoshi drawing him like this...

Like sure, the muscles are still there but he's not this giant hulk with biceps the size of his head.

Even the manga in the first war arc doesn't have him looked like the anime does:

And I remember even the wiki copes with the idea that the surgery was supposed to give him extra muscles, but that was never stated officially and in any case his natural muscles came from the training in MVA.

Idk what's this obssesion the anime has for making all male characters buff as hell, even Dabi when canonically he's also a pipsqueak.

I haven't seen anyone commenting about something weird on how AFO is represented in the recent art by Horikoshi:

That being the fact this is the "prime" version of him with his face restored, but wearing the final war outfit and maskless. Something clearly not possible in the story itself, as obviously that outfit was gone when he used rewind on himself for avoid die by the fire of Endeavor.

But the interesting part is that this isn't the first time Horikoshi draw AFO in this particular way, mixing his restored look with the purple jacket outfit.

The other time was in that cover in which he's facing Deku (a battle that never happened in the story, or at least not directly against his main body).

In that other art AFO also has a unique look for his mask not being seen in the story, that looks vaguely like it was still broken and almost melted by Endeavor but pieced together again while still being red hot.

Also do you notice in neither of those arts AFO has the rewind effects over him? Considering it was the plot reason he recovered his face in the first place, is a bit weird that the art of Horikoshi doesn't present him being under rewind.

And yeah I know all this can be attributed to simple creative freedom and Horikoshi though mix both designs was cool or something.

But I can't help and make my theories about this.

Can these arts be a sort of "what if" scenario?

As I said before is interesting to remember that Deku never actually fight against AFO directly on his real body, they never even encouter each other in that state for that matter, they only interacted via ShigAFO.

So maybe Horikoshi at some point had a totally different display for the final battle? One that involved Deku vs AFO and a different use of rewind.

Considering in both arts "prime" AFO appears maskless with his outfit intact, I wonder if the real revelation moment when the heroes managed to destroy his new mask wasn't seeing his potato face, but he already got his face restored offscreen.

Which could also explain why Horikoshi didn't drawn AFO with the rewind effects in the art. As probably the idea of him being on a time counter that will banish him wasn't originally part of the story and only was a leter addition.

So in this alternative scenario rather than go back to fight ShigAFO directly, Deku instead for some reason ends up in front of the original AFO and they have a real battle, just as it was represented in the cover art.

Don't know how the story should continue from that point, as it probably would change a lot more of how the rest of the final battle will play.

"Incorrect" basically means what you said, that being ships that piss off the fun police of the fandom lol. For me there's no such thing a incorrect ships, is just fiction and people is free to enjoy whatever they want.

Anyway, I made a quick comparision between manga and anime design for Kokichi:

It's a subtle difference, but is funny how in the anime Mahito give him a 4 pack and small pecs while in the manga Muta is still a stick figure.

And what a work of art 😅 Kokichi looks hot as hell either form.

And wherever there's tension, sparks fly. Those are just the rules, right?

Of course! And your own analysis on the ship it's really on point ☝️

They not only look delicious together, but the pair is surprisingly rich in themes and concepts despite their limited interactions. It even gives the chance to explore other angles for Mahito than most of his ships.

As you said this situation is clearly fucked up, and poor Kokichi might feel guilty because the first 'person' to give him the chance to experience such emotions and pleasure is Mahito. But given the chance it can also allow Kokichi to explore his own darkess desires.

I imagine something like he deeps inside would have a spin for being a bit rude to others due his own way to live all his life, but he could never do something like that to Miwa who is so sweet and pure that he would repress any kind of thinking about it.

But with Mahito? No problem!

All the opposite, Mahito would tell Kokichi during sex "Pull my hair" or "Harder!!!" so Muta can unleash all his repressed desires without any guilt about it.

Mahito may be ended up being adictive lol.

The way his CT gave kokichi the ability to enjoy the moonlight on his skin. Ughhh. I'm just imagining mahito being obsessed with kokichi's new found abilities to enjoy the body he is in.

Who knows? Maybe the first thing they could do together is take a bath in the nearest lake just being covered by the moonlight 😌 Mahito wanting to clean Kokichi of all the medical solutions and chemicals of his old bathtub, so he washes him kindly while Muta is a bit overwhelmed by all the sensations.

And thank you for take your time for answer! Glad you also liked this really obscure and unknown ship.

P.S: I also try to figure how the ship should be called. MechaHito? Is hard to came with a good name lol

Speaking of incorrect ships: there's a lot of Mahito/Junpei but not so much Mahito/Mechamaru, considering Muta is his other well know victim and they have that very sus scene in the bathtub.

Lol you have to love how the anime unlike the manga made Mahito give Kokichi a body with some nice muscle lines. Any reason in particular?

I think about this ship as some kind of "enemies with benefits" in which both can get something good from the other despite not like each other.

Kokichi never experience real pleasure obviously, and Mahito might as well have some kind of awakening after repair Muta's body. A kind of "usually I despise humans, but you're my creation and feel different somehow 😏" mentality on Mahito part.

So instead of fight to death, Mahito give Kokichi an offer of experience each others bodies and he ends up accepting but full of doubts. Inside he wants to live and reunite with his friends and gf, but if the strategy works he might get a good experience out of it.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by incorrect ships, I'm guessing you're referring to the ships dubbed wrong-bad-wrong by the puritanical fandom goers because otherwise I don't subscribe to an idea of correct/incorrect ships. (This got rambly but I wasn't sure what you meant by it, and I'm genuinely perplexed)

But you've opened my eyes! I know that junpei/mahito is an obvious ship even though there's very few fic but I never even thought of mahito/kokichi. They are so delicious!

I haven't paid much attention to the changes in kokichi's muscles in the anime and manga when idle transfiguration gives him a body, so I'll take your word for it lol.

I absolutely LOVE the enemies with benefits thing you pointed out!! Idk if you can tell but I'm very excited about this ship. Firstly because it's something new to me, I never thought of them. So thank you for showing me the way, lol. And secondly because they are just so so soooo good together!! Kokichi striking that deal with kenjaku and mahito knowing what he is signing up for, and then getting his body and honestly that battle with mahito was a very tense watch. And a read! And wherever there's tension, sparks fly. Those are just the rules, right?

I love that dynamic of being something because someone else shaped you into it and the mutual obsession rising from that. I absolutely adore mahito being obsessed with his creation. Something that he didn't distort and twist into something abhorrent, something that is whole. The first thing he created that didn't put misery out into the world. The way his CT gave kokichi the ability to enjoy the moonlight on his skin. Ughhh. I'm just imagining mahito being obsessed with kokichi's new found abilities to enjoy the body he is in. Zeroing in on the sensations and the pleasures that kokichi can feel for the first time. Feeling some kinda way about being the one who made it possible for him to feel them. It's all so goooood and fucked up. I love it.

Thank you so much for putting this on my radar! I'm going to be thinking of them for a long looooong time.

I mean, for Dabi in particular he totally could have been a vigilantes of sorts if he actually had some kind of heroic interest despite his own selfish motivations like revenge.

That was my initial point, and as I said is quite ironic how a guy like Dabi which introduction was him saying he will "fullfil Stain ideals" about kill fake heroes and such. But as I said in other post in retrospective that scene can be seen as just a performance to cover Dabi's real intentions when he needed to fit in a group.

I guess this is a hot take on my part considering most the fandom seems to think the opposite but... I think Dabi didn't deserve to be a hero, no matter how bad of a parents Enji and Rei were.

My reasoning behind this is simple: Dabi (or Touya) always was an extremely selfish individual and never show any sign of wanting to be a hero for noble reason, he never go beyond his fixated mentallity of "this is what I was born for and dad will love me because of it".

It's quite what this scene tries to show:

Touya's reason to be a hero can be sumed as "me, me, me, me and dad" he doesn't want to be one because is a noble thing to do and he could help people. For him being a hero is just the easy way to get all the attention from Enji he thinks he deserves, which is also implied he wants more than anyone else, that possibly includes think his brothers don't deserve Enji as much as he does.

Kinda of ironic for a supposed Stain fanboy to be a selfish asshole who never shows any real heroic desire. Like hell even other villains show to have more noble qualities than Dabi, even Shigaraki of all persons seemed more genuine when he was a child wanting to be a hero just because it is correct.

Dabi is also a great contrast to Shoto, who was forced into being a hero but learned that he could be something better than what his father expects from him.

And no one can say Rei didn't at least tried equally to be a good guide for both of them, isn't like she made a difference on that.

Well that was a little rank from my part, but need to say it as for years was a pretty annoying seeing the same idea floating everywhere about "Dabi could've been the greatest hero if it wasn't for Endeavor".

But for me the question isn't about he could, more like "he should?"

Hi @nyc3

First off, let's address the elephant in the room, everyone in MHA who wants to he a hero wants fame...(Ofc izu won't get bc fuck you Izu) My point is, hero IS a job and it's natural to want to he recognized and praised for your good job. I know bc I do like when my boss compliment on my job and ...its SMTH really smaller considering what heroes do in MHA.

I also want to say...many kids would want to be a hero for the attractive reasons such as fame and money, no one would be so selfless. Izu was, but hori says fuck him. Izu is someone who helps others selfless and is punished for that. (He wanted to be part of a group, and never will be. He is the forever odd duck, you know, some retelling of Cinderella are sort mean bc carry the message "don't marry above your station" and that's not the core of the story. Its a sentiment I see on Izu's story. "Don't try to be what you can't")

I think is normal, considering the situation, for Toya wanting to be a hero for selfish reasons. He is a kid in a toxic environment...his dad is not a hero for pure reasons either.

Could he have change? Maybe. That would require Endy to be a parent and same for Rei. Its unfair to expect Toya to move on from his dream-smth he was created for- just bc his quirk is not perfect.

Seeing a parallel with Endy and Inko here. Both parents did nothing for their kids but hurt them...through in different ways.

As for dabi, he wants revenge which is a selfish goal but is also a very understandable one.

Could he have became a hero as dabi? Maybe. The vigilantes are a grey area that isn't explored much.

I don't like when people suggest Izu or dabi to be vigilantes as if that would be the biggest catch. They could work as such but god that would come with many hurdles. Especially for Izu, and again, what any of them would do as a vigilantes? Beat up bad guys???

Isnt that what villains and heroes do?

I kinda get what point you're trying to make here, but this is more about Kai character arc that the Hassaikai arc itself.

For Kai as a character I do agree on him not being as fleshed out as he could be (but disagree on the love part, I love him anyway so...).

The Overhaul arc as a storyline feels pretty consistent overall outside of thay specific part.

Besides you have to put this in the context of how it was published in the manga. Because by that point the Overhaul arc was at the time the longest arc of the series and go on for over a year which was a huge difference compared to everything else the manga had previously.

Besides is a known fact that Horikoshi wasn't emotionally okay during that time, and writing the arc with a very dark tone was not doing very good to his mental health as he said on interviews.

With that in mind it's totally possible that Horikoshi just wanted to be done with an arc that was going on forever and pass to something lighter in tone (main reason of why the school festival is almost cartoonish in comparison). That was at the cost of not expand on Chisaki as a character sadly.

As for the rest of your questions, it sounds like you don't finished the stoey of the manga so it might be spoiler so I couldn't talk about them without spoil some things.

ok so tell me if I'm wrong or overthinking this, but....

Does anyone else think Overhaul's ark was rushed and kinda half-finished? Why does every character have a fully explained back story that makes you love them no matter what, but we still don't know anything about Overhaul? Where did he come from? who are his parents? why does Pops' daughter not want anything to do with him? Is it just me? I feel like Pops neglected Kai as a kid. He's obviously mentally ill, and he had no care for that. where did he get his quirk theory from? When he said it, it sounded drilled into his head like he had heard it somewhere else. how is he connected to any of the AFO ark? he seems to be the adult version of Eri if she was never saved right? why did Pops find him wandering the streets? WHY?

The term ugly hot exist, but hey who really decides who is ugly and who isn't?

There's also different kinds of beauty... and I like variety rather to stick to a very specific kind of men.

Fellas, it is weird to find collarbones to be extremely attractive?

Cause I do like them...

I wish I have more collarbone pics of Nine...

And not from MHA but Eren certainly has some sexy looking collarbones:

My mind goes crazy right now.

I love how my two favorite secondary characters from MHA and JJK are saved and carried bride style by the m.c at some point.

Got a new favorite trope right there.

Feel free to use any of my ideas for your AU if you want! And adapt them to your style, as you probably would put a better use than me.

That includes the names for Cider.

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I already love your own ideas for develop their relationship since their meet. Their teamwork and the way the gain mutual respect.

And the whole concept of Cider/Mizunami having a "Oh no, he's hot" moment is pure gold.

Just imagine if his mask breaks and he takes the parts off showing his face cover in dirt, sweat and a bit of blood after a that fight which he wins. All this in front of of Izumi who will be dying inside by the view of so much testosterone lol.

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Geten being illiterate might be actually canon, as Horikoshi explained he never go to a school and rather trained his quirk all his life. And that's kinda sad if you think about it.

He really is the perfect child soldier, coming from a family like the Himuras who are elitist jerks obssesed with status and power (and they even practice inbreeding between their clans) capable of sell their members like objects no matter the gender as both him and Rei were sold very young for different porpuse. And Geten was sold to a quirk elitist maniac who probably brainwashed him into serve to the ideology of a guy from 300 years ago, and Re-Destro is okay with Geten not having any kind of education apparently.

Yeah that's a rough life for sure...

But also a gold mine for interactions!

Especially between him and his biological family.

In my AU all the Todoroki kids, Geten and Cider are cousins by the Himura side, at some point all them should be reunited in one way or another. Think about that sweet drama...

The parallels you made between Mizunami and Geten are brilliant. Hope it can develop into a good dynamic in which both can lear from each other rather than just being enemies.

The whole cinderIzu is great and I welcome with open arms. For my au, I have an idea for them meet.

Again, BK is a footnote in her life and Izumi is not dedicating all her time and energy in thinking of him. (She hears how his quirk remains the same, no quirk awakening bs, how bk's attitude got worse and how Aizawa is sure BK is the future)

Izumi hears about the mpa here and there and ...is not impressed. She needs money, her group can't work by luck...they need ration and more, and Izumi is not happy ReDestro has "schools" for kids to learn their quirks...its just a camp where the kid learns how to use their quirk AND NOTHING ELSE (Geten my be alliterate here)

Stealing from Redestro is not something she can pull off on her own. She needs help to do this heist.

(the quirk schools aren't illegal, per se, but it rubs Izumi in the wrong way. She is right)

Enters Cinder. He shows up with his helmet, all gear up and...well, he too needs money and Mr. Youtsubashi is loaded and if he wants to make quirk schools, fine...let's rob the fucker.

Izumi gawks as Cinder removes his helmet. He is handsome and cute...she wasn't expecting this.

Lol

(I love a good mask reveal!)

I also live for the moments when a character takes of their mask and reveals to be hot, and Cider isn't the exception. I mean can you blame Midoriya for what him?

Note: Izu probably loves in particular the little scar Cider got in his eyebrown, he/her found that detail to be especially sexy.

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Is funny you mention the whole plot of Cider helping Izu to steal stuff from Re-Destro company, as I also have this idea of him making an operation to steal from a werehouse full of valuable tech and support items that Detnerant (I think that's the company name) sells into the black market.

They would have success stealing a lot of merch they later sell to get money, but also Cider found a particularly expensive prototype of a high tech glider he decides to keep for himself and use to compliment his surfing style. As Mizunami is really into surfing in my AU, like he seems to be in canon.

Oh I forgot to mention before but the vigilante name Cider/Mizunami will use for my AU will be "Splashdown". Be free to use it if you like the name.

And since you mentioned Geten here, do you think he will have some role in the story? As I mentioned before I love the idea of Cider being a Himura, but also he probably was rejected by his clan because his quirk is water instead of ice and the Himuras seems to be the kind of elitist jerks to would dishonor a child for born with a "imperfect" quirk.

Which would create a lot of tension between Cider and Geten, especially is they reconogice each other. Geten hating Cider for being "a failed Himura" and Cider will hate Geten because he's just a "an attack dog" for Re-Destro.

So chapter 1 is already beta, and now my beta reader is helping me with chapter 2. This weekend will post the fic

I have a question...What you think Cinder does when he´s on, hum, let´s say off days?

Cool, I'm excited to read the final version.

So about Cider hobbies, I did mention some times that he's a surfer but that doesn't limit to the sea. After all he uses his quirk to surf in land as well.

Can we call his activity urban surfing? Pretty sure he's one of the few people who can pull off such sport lol.

I can imagine him going with his friends or solo to a derelic industrial complex or a scenario like that, a place with a lot of obstacles were practice his style for fun and training at the same time.

He's also a very good graffiti artist who likes to leave his own mark in a lot of places. Very standar for a gang to do so, but Cider likes a bit more of personality for his own graffiti.

He probably has an artistic side even if he doesn't realize that. And most likely Cider is the kind of guy who consume mangas more because of the pretty art than the story itself lol.

Midoriya probably was surprised they share a common interest on some geek stuff. I can see them having lazy days of just chill and cuddling, both reading mangas of different genres with some music in the background and making comments here and there about the story and characters.

2020.7.26

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