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However, I do wonder how and why AFO came to the conclusion that he needed a vessel powered by hate to steal OFA.

Like I know it's established that the will of OFA prevents the quirk from being stoled, but how AFO even knows that info?

Isn't like there was a moment in which AFO tried to steal OFA but the will thing rule prevented it. All the times he failed on steal the quirk it was because it was already passed to someone else and the previous user was running on the embers.

The only time something like this this happens is when Nine tried to steal the quirk from Deku in the movie, yet Nine interpret it as lack of starage space in his own copy (for obvious reasons he's not aware of the existence of the vestiges).

I feel this is kind of a plot hole unless I'm missing something.

And yet despite add super regen to AFO original body was pointless (dabatable) after the face injury, not doing it before getting his skull smashed still feels like a dumb move.

Yeah body failing and all, but with regen AFO would still pretty much invencible in the meanwhile as his new body was getting ready.

Not to mention, now we have the confirmation they copied Overhaul from young Kai but instead of use its healing properties to full extent they just used the quirk to create Decay makes all the plan seem even more stupid. How tf AFO and Ujiko would waste such a god tier like Overhaul on making it more shitty by getting rid of the best effect?

What are the reasons why All For One wanting a successor before his Injury? This is a question that I have never seen before so may give some reason why I think he might have done it: One is that "Life Force" Quirk may be reaching it's end. The possibility that it may end soon is big problem for All For One so he is planning to get a younger body like Orochimaru or a better Quirk to keep him young then "Live Force". Two is, and I don't know where it comes from, but in the Wiki, it says that "All For One's body cannot properly contain Quirks of newer generations,". So he might be afraid he might not be able to gain more power anymore in the future. So what do you think?

You're half right. All For One's body was failing, both in lifespan and function, because extensively damaged by All Might. So damaged that not even "Super Regeneration" couldn't fix him and he had to be on constant life support. And it was stated by Garaki that All For One was having trouble with Quirks of the newer generation. That he had a harder time controlling the more complex Quirks. Both of those could be a factor. That All For One wanted an immortal body to rule the world forever, giving and taking whatever Quirk he wanted. However, the successor plan was in motion decades before his injury and there wasn't anyone who was a threat to his empire. The real reason was because he wanted to use Tomura's hatred to get "One For All". "One For All" was annoying at first, but was becoming a major problem to All For One, to the point that it ended up killing him. He couldn't beat the person who had it and he couldn't take it either. So he wanted to build up and use Tomura's hatred to take "One For All", finally ridding him of the biggest obstacle in his path.

Yoichi is trying to keep his brother warm.

Fun trivia: In the character page for Nine in the Volume Rising, we can see in Horikoshi sketches that the palms of his hands were supposed to have the little holes that allow an AFO user to physically steal quirks.

Same holes All For One and Shigaraki have:

Yet, in the movie itself the holes are totally absent from Nine's hands despite his gloves are clearly designed with that specific function in mind.

I guess the production just totally missed that detail in the translation from Hori sketches?

hello I recently and after going through it I would like to ask some questions if that’s ok of course and sorry if you perhaps got one of theses questions before

1.what is your general opinion on Shigaraki cause I’m curious as a shiggy fan and just curious in general what other people who don’t like him as much or just in general don’t like him think of him

2. How would you write/rewrite shigaraki just in general or if nine was the main villian and Shigaraki was like a secondary villian and or maybe him joining up with nine

3. What do you think would have happened if nine found tenko

sorry if this ask comes off as annoying or rude I’m just general curious hope you having a good/night

Hello!

It's ok, I would try to answer the question the best I can as english isn't my first lenguage so sorry if you find errors here and there. So let's go:

1_ This may sound strange as my constant comments and critiques about Shigaraki may make look like I hate him, but isn't really the case.

I think is more he's a frustrating character to me because while on paper his concept is fine, I feel his presence ends up being detrimental to the quality of the story because the mangaka didn't know how kept Shigaraki relevant and his solution was artificially increase his status sacrificing other more interesting characters with potential just to elevate Shigaraki, especially Nine and Overhaul.

2_ Honestly I never thought on an in deep rewrite of Shigaraki overall character.

But If I have to say something he did works as a early antagonist considering the initial states of MHA and while I'm not fan of having a singular main villain (because in my ideal story multiple major villains should fight for the power) I think Shigaraki and Nine surely can coexist in the same story. They can even influence each other in fact.

After all an important part of Shigaraki as a character is how he develops a sense camaraderie and tries to became a better leader (even if there's a lot of problems with the execution if that idea in canon).

But Nine already had those qualities since the beginning, he's a good leader who always cared about his teamates and tried his best to protect them. He was a hero for them basically.

So why not make Nine a figure which inspires Shigaraki rather than his rival and Tomura attemps to became a better version of himself while looking what makes Nine a beloved leader, while at the same it time creates a contrast with AFO who was the only prominent figure on his life before.

It would also be funny if AFO didn't see coming how his two attempts of "successors" would became closer allies rather than rivals and join forces, eventually opposing him. Nine would never follow AFO selfish ideals, and he probably will fight to free Shigaraki from his control.

3_ This one is interesting, because I don't think Nine and Shigaraki have a big age difference in the first place.

Despite Nine got a more adult vibe he probably is at best middle 20s, which would make him 4-5 years older than Shigaraki in terms of canon age.

So in a scenario where Nine found Tenko after what happened to his family that day they both will still be kids.

But despite Nine seem to only care about people with stronger quirks and you can think "why he would care about a random kid in the streets?" I actually think Nine has this unconsious instict to protect others in a vulnerable situation regardless of their actual power. After all how he could guess people like Slice and Mummy were strong but he helped them anyway?

That being said I think Nine would do exactly the same for Tenko if he found him that day, extending a hand to him (metaphorically at least lol) and both would escape together while trying to survive on the cruel world of the streets as two orphans without any place to go.

Think about it as Nine being the big bro who tries to protect Tenko the best he can, because he knows Tenko can be a really strong person and both could take on the world someday. Of course Nine won't try to fuel Tenko's trauma unlike AFO, perhaps he will attempt to heal him and Tenko will recover a bit of his own selfless and sweet self with time.

While they grown together as a found family they eventually will meet Chimera, Slice and Mummy like Nine did in canon.

Idk how their lives should continue from there, but pretty sure all them will still fight for create the ideal world Nine always wanted for all of them.

So that's it, I tried my best to answer each question but probably I could've added a lot more but didn't want to make this too long either.

Perhaps one day I will do more post with ideas about how I would like the story to be. It's very fun write about Nine and Shigaraki actually.

Thank you for ask and read!

Oh I'm familiar with Naruto, is just I didn't watch the full series. Never get into Naruto shippuden in fact 😅

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And of course Izu deserves to enjoy the view of a good men as much she likes.

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Quirk marriages as a whole is one of these cool ideas that Horikoshi only uses as background for an very specific character but never expanded beyond the presentation. There's countless examples of concepts like that in MHA, but quirk marriage is the basis of the most important subplot in the series yet barely explained other than "oh yeah... is old and bad but happens and no one cares".

We really needed to see a bit more of the Himuras, I just loved the twist of them being way more fucked up than Enji was. And what shonen inspired by Naruto doesn't have an evil clan? Horikoshi dropped the ball with that one...

The whole cinderIzu is great and I welcome with open arms. For my au, I have an idea for them meet.

Again, BK is a footnote in her life and Izumi is not dedicating all her time and energy in thinking of him. (She hears how his quirk remains the same, no quirk awakening bs, how bk's attitude got worse and how Aizawa is sure BK is the future)

Izumi hears about the mpa here and there and ...is not impressed. She needs money, her group can't work by luck...they need ration and more, and Izumi is not happy ReDestro has "schools" for kids to learn their quirks...its just a camp where the kid learns how to use their quirk AND NOTHING ELSE (Geten my be alliterate here)

Stealing from Redestro is not something she can pull off on her own. She needs help to do this heist.

(the quirk schools aren't illegal, per se, but it rubs Izumi in the wrong way. She is right)

Enters Cinder. He shows up with his helmet, all gear up and...well, he too needs money and Mr. Youtsubashi is loaded and if he wants to make quirk schools, fine...let's rob the fucker.

Izumi gawks as Cinder removes his helmet. He is handsome and cute...she wasn't expecting this.

Lol

(I love a good mask reveal!)

I also live for the moments when a character takes of their mask and reveals to be hot, and Cider isn't the exception. I mean can you blame Midoriya for what him?

Note: Izu probably loves in particular the little scar Cider got in his eyebrown, he/her found that detail to be especially sexy.

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Is funny you mention the whole plot of Cider helping Izu to steal stuff from Re-Destro company, as I also have this idea of him making an operation to steal from a werehouse full of valuable tech and support items that Detnerant (I think that's the company name) sells into the black market.

They would have success stealing a lot of merch they later sell to get money, but also Cider found a particularly expensive prototype of a high tech glider he decides to keep for himself and use to compliment his surfing style. As Mizunami is really into surfing in my AU, like he seems to be in canon.

Oh I forgot to mention before but the vigilante name Cider/Mizunami will use for my AU will be "Splashdown". Be free to use it if you like the name.

And since you mentioned Geten here, do you think he will have some role in the story? As I mentioned before I love the idea of Cider being a Himura, but also he probably was rejected by his clan because his quirk is water instead of ice and the Himuras seems to be the kind of elitist jerks to would dishonor a child for born with a "imperfect" quirk.

Which would create a lot of tension between Cider and Geten, especially is they reconogice each other. Geten hating Cider for being "a failed Himura" and Cider will hate Geten because he's just a "an attack dog" for Re-Destro.

It makes him pathetic in my opinion.

Kind of ironic how most of his major victories are always against enemies that were already defeated by heroes and he didn't have to do anything. Shigaraki fans literally celebrate him being a looser who steals the credit from other persons.

That even extend to the defeat of AFO.

I mean look at the panel Shigaraki fans pretend is a triumphant victory.

Dude literally died some chapter before, was saved offscreen by his grandma and his only contribution to the defeat of AFO was punch him along ten more people as part of a plan he didn't help to create.

That's the real "I got invited by a friend"

Hey I have a question. I never saw the movie nor I want to see it +Nine sounds cool as fuck but....bk is in the movie) my question here is......why shig killed Nine?

When that scene was reblogged on Twitter I had the impression it was smth like "nine was using his name and shig wasn't pleased" ...can't be that bc this makes sense. Too much sense.

So did shig just kill the guy bc yes?

Maybe afo or the Dr evil asked shig to do so... which is plausible but damn...what waste. And it cements once again shig as a npc.

I'll try to explain this the best I can, because tbh nothing about this situation makes sense to me even today. And some context of the movie as well.

The movie starts with a scene of the LOV transporting Nine while he was still on a medical capsule inside a truck. There's a reference to this situation in the manga when the doctor request Shigaraki to deliver "something" for him.

But here's a thing: neither the movie or the prequel chapter Horikoshi made explain where Nine was being delivered or what the doctor intended to do with him in case he arrived to destiny. It feel that missing context is important.

In any case, the heroes attack the truck trying to arrest the league. The truck is destroyed in the battle and this allows Nine to escape and go back with his team.

Then we got a couple of scenes were Shigaraki seem to be tracking Nine activities, also using Hawks to do the research job for them (it's worth mentioning the events of the movie are supposed to happen at some point after MVA).

And after all this... nothing really, the movie drops this subplot and Shigaraki only appears again in the end when he comes out of literally nowhere to kill Nine. Allow me to ask how they even know his exact location? The black goo teleportation quirk doesn't even work like that btw.

Just like you my first assumption was Garaki ordered him to do so, maybe because after the spectacle Nine did in the island the doctor decided to eliminate him for security reasons. But we never got any indication of this being the case, in fact there's a scene when Garaki explicitly tells Shigaraki to not touch "it" (Nine).

Things became more confusing because in MVA when Shigaraki gives Garaki one of his edgy speeches about destroying everything he hates, there's a small cameo of Nine among the things crusty boy hates.

On a side note: this is technically Nine's first ever appearance, even before the movie itself was released. A sort of foreshadow for what it coming.

But going back to the point: why Shigaraki hates Nine so much in the first place? We never got a clear reason for any of this, isn't like they ever interacted, the only time before the movie they have some kind of contact was the prequel chapter focused on Nine, and that was only Shigaraki looking at Nine through a window.

Also the final scene when crusty boy kills Nine for some reason makes it sounds the situation is very personal? Like if Shigaraki hold some grudge against Nine for some reason.

And the line "I agree, there only can be one king" doesn't make any sense because isn't like Shigaraki knew about Nine's ideology and his desire of rule the world. The writers makes it seem to be like they both interacted and had a long term rivalry for some reason, but that never happened.

Oh and it's extra hilarious how Shigaraki killing Nine for no reason directly contradicts this other little scene:

If crusty a**hole always intended to be "a hero for villains" (as the story seem to pretend) what about Nine then? Idk but for me killing a defendless man while he was crawling on the ground doesn't seem too heroic.

Let's not forget Nine was a real hero for villains without presume about it. He saved the life of Chimera, Slice and Mummy in a way Shigaraki wish to be able to do with the lov.

Honestly is funny to think all this one directional hate Shigaraki feels for Nine could be just crusty boy being jaleous, which won't be surprise considering Nine is superior to him in everyway possible.

But well, thinking about this on a perspective outside the story itself an explanation of why Nine was killed maybe is because Horikoshi just needed a reason to get rid of him, as his presence might be problematic for the course of the main story. I mean it would be a bit suspicious to have another AFO possible vessel who happens to be better than Shigaraki, and Nine is the only movie main villain to be permanently killed on screen, while all the others like Wolfram and Flect survived.

Anyway, all this festival of bs let a bitter taste in my mouth.

Needless to say, such a good villain like Nine surely deserved way better than he got.

It's kinda weird, as the way that detail about the age is presented seem a bit important to be just a little discrepancy.

On a side note why in general there doesn't seem to be options for people to become heroes if they're past the high schooler age?

We know thanks to Vigilantes that isn't totally impossible became one later in life with how Koichi became one at the end (even if you can say he became a hero under USA terms not Japan).

Also isn't dumb how you only have one chance to take the exam and never again? And isn't just fail the exam what cut your hero aspirations, just not attend to the exam even by circumstances out of your control seem to be equally valid on the school eyes.

That's again how Koichi story begin, but loose the chance in one school means you don't have any chance in other different school? I don't remember if Vigilantes cover that detail, but using japanese real life education system as reference it might as well be equally unfair.

The narrative goes out of its way to hammer home the parallels between Gentle and Izuku. They both shared an impossible dream of heroism and personal acknowledgment, both coped with despair through extreme positivity, and both had to carry the weight of their parents' lack of faith in them. Both Inko and Gentle's mother's first appearances were the same: crying in self-pity because their children couldn't meet societal expectations. The burden was put on Izuku and Gentle to maintain hope on their own. (Inko did get better, but only after Izuku was given an opportunity Gentle never had)

But Gentle's backstory also shares a lot of parallels with Toga. A public incident occurred that harmed someone unintentionally, and their entirely family was targeted as a result. The unloving parents drawn without faces threw out their own school age children to escape scrutiny. Both Gentle and Toga seem to be from a similar upper middle class background given how their family homes were drawn. And both ended up seeking romantic connection after losing their family ties.

Ironic how Horikoshi seems to love body horror so much, as he tries to add it in any opportunity he has, but he fails on a very basic level of any kind of horror: believable reactions among the other characters.

Like any amateur writer that wants to create some kind of horror atmosphere already knows that as readers our mind really connect with the reaction of the characters in the story, more than just having a reaction to the gruesome images.

If the characters themselves don't care about the frankenstein esque bioweapons made out of people why should I care?

They act like if is totally normal seeing teenages or even kids turned into that.

This scene lives rent free in my head 🫣

Also I wonder why Nine is nude inside that tank but Shigaraki was using a swimsuit in the same situation:

Ujiko is such a naughty bastard lol.

Yep, my dream interaction is Overhaul and Nine meeting each other and having an ideological war because both are opposite poles on that sense.

But at the same time they will have sort of a rivalry rather than being straight up enemies. They will find a common terrain and get some exchanges, because while different they can also be similar in some traits and find things they like from the other.

My reason for calling Overhaul the best Villain in the main series is because he's way more competent, driven and has a real threatening presence to him, compared to the other Villain Leaders.

AFO (Post Kamino) & Shigaraki aren't in his League.

They don't give off that feeling of dread. Shigaraki got AFO quirk to try and make him seem more imposing, but it wasn't enough since having a strong power isn't the only thing Overhaul had going for him.

AFO was decent until after his interrogation with All Might, where he became too comically evil for the sake of it (imo)

Re-Destro wasn't there for long but he did a ok job. The MLA did sell me as a competent group, considering the amount of money and connections they had. As well as their goal of free quirk use.

The only thing that was off was there belief of quirk supremacy, since the organisation's strength came from wealth and connections.

But other than that they were ok, it's too bad they were shoved to the side during the War.

Sorry for rambling

But yeah, that's my reason for Overhaul being the best Villain in MHA

Your reasoning for think that is almost the same as mine.

But also Overhaul ideals and objectives felt different and way more grounded in the sense it doesn't feel like he blames society for everything and his only answer is mindless destruction.

He actually persue change but in way that almost makes sense, and his mindset offers a very interesting perspective about quirks that this series always avoid to exploit. Like is funny how Horikoshi puts constant references to the doomsday theory being something very real, yet no one in verse tries to do something about it and any character who doesn't like quiks is treated as a crazy monster to invalidate their opinions.

Chisaki is also different to other villains in the sense that despite his life is pretty tragic he never gets victimized by the author, something I can appreciate because honestly the most annoying part about the LOV for example is how the story constantly pats them in the back and tries to pretend their are just victims when they passed that point long ago.

Kai on the other hand gets a treatment so harsh that makes me wonder if Horikoshi actually hates him with passion, because holy hell since his defeat Horikoshi really doesn't hold back on try to put him as miserable as possible and with no chance of improve his situation even a bit. It felt like a massive double standard when you see how much the LOV gets glazed.

Well... this kinda became a rant on my part, but I need to express it as Overhaul really deserved a way better treatment because in terms of villains he was the peak and MHA never had something similar again.

If nine and his gang were the ones who met Overhaul, how different would've things happened? Would they have created a successful partnership? Would nine care about eri when he discovers she's the centerpiece, especially since she has a quirk as crazy as his?

Now you're asking the real questions here.

But think about this: how good a meeting between a group who believes in quirk supremacy with another group who want to erase quirks from the world can possibly go?

Obviously if Nine and Chisaki meet each other and they both found about their real ideals and motivations it can make A.M and AFO look like best friends in comparison.

Yet at the same time I can help but think Overhaul and Nine would be the perfect rivals.

Not just because of their ideologies and the contrast in the way they treat their followers, but their personalities could make for interesting non hostile interactions between them.

I can see for example Nine actually being interested on learn shogi and play the game with Chisaki, both of them exchanging ideas and despite obviously hate each other they would enjoy try to surpass each other. A sort of enemies chemistry and that I love being used as a trope between bad guys.

Kai may also found nice the way Nine dresses up with good looking suits and keeps a mask almost all the time, ironically he might feel somewhat comfortable around Nine because of his manners which would add a fun twist to their rivalry.

And Nine will probably interested to learn to learn why Kai have such a complex with quirks and why he having a such godlike ability like Overhaul can't appreciate the "blessing" of born with that perfect quirk, at least on his eyes.

There's millions of possibilities with these two characters so different to each other interacting.

As for what Nine would think about Eri if he meets her? I guess he probably will try to free her from Chisaki and raise her into his own beliefs, since Nine would see Eri as a divine being who shouldn't be controled by anyone.

At least Nine would be more nice to Eri, but that's a very low bar lol.