Hello, Here To Remind People That This Discourse Is Hurting Nonbinary People As Well, Especially Nonbinary

"Trans men don't suffer as much because they're always forgotten and erased. So they don't have it as bad" I mean can you really argue that we are forgotten when you actively push us out of conversations and tell us we don't matter? Do we really not have it as bad, or do you just turn the other way when we are raped, beaten, brutalized, and murdered? Why is it always framed in a passive way, that we are just erased as if by accident, when we are scrubbed from history? Buried entirely or otherwise portrayed as women?

Why is our erasure discussed like there's nothing to be done about it, when all it takes to change that is to start listening to us?

the problem with being an intersex nonbinary person is that you have experienced both uniquely transmasc and transfem things, but because you are neither you can join neither conversation without being told “you’re afab you can’t have experienced this!” or “you’ve not medically transitioned so this can’t happen to you!”

intersex trans people exist. intersex nonbinary people exist. regardless of what our “agab” is, or whether we’ve taken hormones or not, we have experiences that need to be included in your conversations. by gatekeeping these conversations you’re leaving vital voices out of the narrative.

^^^^

If your argument is that transmascs had no place in trans culture in its beginning stages...

you should be WAY more concerned about what was happening to your transmasc siblings during those stages, than any kind of 'gotcha'

(Credit to @zaebeecee)

what the fuck

Me: *sees a good anti-jkr post pointing out that its still fucked up to interact with the fandom*

Me: yeah I agree it's not great and it signals to--

Post: Also I noticed it's mostly transmascs ://// I don't think there's even a single trans woman in the fandom :///// that says a lot ://////

Me:

Me: ah, you're not actually here for the discussion about jkr's hate and how it harms the community. You're just here to shit on trans guys. Damnit.

“oh it’s so misogynistic to headcanon female characters are transmasc”

wrong! more trans men and mascs in fiction, and every time you complain i forcemasc another fictional girl. i’m taking Sakura from Naruto next.

Look i don’t know where i personally stand on wether transandrophobia is a good useful term or not. But i’ve learned more valuable information about trans men/mascs (that was delivered in a genuine and kind manner) from people who use that term, than i ever have from people who despise the use of transandrophobia.

Hell i’m starting to get to a point where (even though i don’t know how to feel about the etimology) folks that hate it are getting a tentative red flag, because none of them seem to be able to be normal about trans masculine people.

Seriously if yalls first reaction to a trans masc mildly disagreeing with you or having a different interpretation about something is to immediately be a transphobic bully to all trans mascs then you are just kind of an asshole, regardless of if you’re “technically” right about the hill you’re willing to drag all of us through the mud on.

being a trans man means you grow up being belittled and mocked for the way you were born and being told that the way you were born means you're stupid and and less artistic and less funny and your interests are cringe and you're not as capable as other people

and in if you say 'hey it's actually fucked up to treat me like that' then they say 'sit down and shut up and listen to the men. we know better'

and then you come out

and you get belittled and mocked for the way you were born and being told that the way you were born means you're stupid and and less artistic and less funny and your interests are cringe and you're not as capable as other people but this time it's because 'haha men are so lame and cringe and dumb'

and in if you say 'hey it's actually fucked up to treat me like that' then they say 'sit down and shut up and listen to the women. we know better'

and you are not allowed to point this out because then a significant number of people will lose their convenient punching bag

trans men who talk about how much ~male privilege~ they have are fucking class traitors lmao. like congrats on your extremely fucking conditional shield from violence but a lot of us don't pass like that and even if we do we're still at risk of violence if anyone figures out we aren't actually what cis society considers "real men". stop throwing other trans men under the bus just because You Specifically have managed not to be clockable in cis society, lol.

someone will say “JK Rowling doesn’t affect trans men” and then you look at their blog and they’re not even british like cool so you have no idea what it’s actually like to live in this country as a trans person and your opinion means nothing to me