The Problem With Being An Intersex Nonbinary Person Is That You Have Experienced Both Uniquely Transmasc

i think words like transandrophobia and transmisogyny are useful in theory, but in practice they drive division and end up harmful to the wider trans struggle. (explanation in simple words at the bottom)

i think it can be useful to have words to describe different flavors of discrimination we face depending on how we are percieved by society. the problem occurs when these words stop being treated as descriptors, and instead get used as labels.

i'm sure you've seen the TMA/TME discourse. TMA = transmisogyny affected, TME = transmisogyny exempt. in practice, these terms are used as "trans women and fems" (TMA) and "everyone else who is trans" (TME). there's a few problems i have with this.

first, as a transneutral person, i would be labeled TME. but the group of drunk dudes who chased me down screaming that i'll never be a real woman, they don't care about that. they see me, a trans person, they assign their own interpretation to my gender presentation, and decide to intimidate me based on their interpretation. i have faced transmisogyny many times, despite some tumblr users insisting i am exempt from it.

second, it puts people back into a rigid binary. as a nonbinary person, i'm well aware of how restrictive and oppressive binaries are, and this one is not any different. even if it's repackaged as trans-friendly, it still denies many people the entirety of their experience and only allows a little, specific part of it.

and third, i simply do not think that any of us in this community are exempt from transmisogyny. in my experience the difference between experiencing transmisogyny or transandrophobia is what the other person percieves me as. if you really wanted to call someone exempt, make it cis people - but also keep in mind that not all of them are. think GNC people, butches, drag queens, the list goes on. i find it difficult to call these people exempt, even if they aren't trans. and i acknowledge that if you're read most of the time as your binary gender (as in you pass, but i strongly dislike that word), you will face much more of one flavor of opression than the other. but taking the experience of only binary trans people who are read as their gender and calling it universal is incredibly exorsexist. most of us will have experienced both.

all these flavors of discrimination, transmisogyny, transandrophobia, even exorsexism and intersexism, it all stems from the same narrow bioessentialist understanding of sex and gender as strictly binary.

in conclusion, i think words like transmisogyny and transandrophobia can be useful to describe experiences with different flavors of anti-trans bigotry. however some people have started treating them as a strict binary of affected-exempt, and that is not rooted in reality or helpful. i'm inclined to say at this point, these terms create infighting instead of being helpful, and make us forget that the root cause of all the discrimination we face is the same.

explanation in simple words: transandrophobia (discrimination against masculine transness) and transmisogyny (discrimination against feminine transness) can be useful words to describe own experiences. but some people use these words to divide trans community into boxes. i think that is not good. it makes us forget we all want to fight transphobia. makes us fight each other instead, and that is not helpful.

continue writing negative reviews about shinigami eyes and how transandrophobic, exorsexist, and intersexist it has become please and thank you

so i lurked a bit in 4chan trans spaces to see what's it all about...

"passoid" "softboi" "theyfab" "pooner" "dood" "brickhon" "troon" "ropefuel" "newfag" "malebrained" "luckshit" "ogremaxxing" "bonepill" i'm begging you to go for a walk anon. please. seriously, with all the sympathy in the world. feel the sun on your face, pet a dog, touch some grass, get therapy. please i'm begging you.

Aside from the compulsion to claim historical trans men as women for feminist history, I've also noticed attempts to neutralize trans men into non binary figures.

Of course, language surrounding non binary identities in the western world is relatively new, so someone from the 1800s might have had some long winded way of saying they were non binary.

But take the case of Megillus from Lucien's writings in Ancient Greece, who will say "I am entirely a man" and still have people being like, oh they're just a confused little girl product of restricted language. There is no way they really mean it when they say explicitly they are 100% a man. Obvious example of non-binary identity.

Obviously non binary people deserve to see themselves in history, but like...c'mon...

Just something I've noticed in my research into trans men of the past

Hello, here to remind people that this discourse is hurting nonbinary people as well, especially nonbinary transmascs.

Please include your nonbinary siblings in your advocacy, and don’t forget to uplift their voices as well. The assholes calling people “theyfabs” and denying the existence of transandrophobia aren’t just out to get trans men.

Half the posts I see are about "theyfab trender tme they/hes", they hate nonbinary people too.

Trans men are left out of the conversation far too often; please don't repeat the same mistake with a different group.

"Transmascs are 3 months away from becoming detrans terfs" and then all the posts about transmascs are "kill yourselves" and "transmascs are disgusting evil wannabe privileged males and they should all die" and "masculinity is disgusting and anyone who isn't a feminine person is not welcome in the community". I wonder why transmascs detransition btw. I wonder why it's so easy to radicalize a group of people who gets shit from their own community and also has to deal with transphobia from the real life world along with SAAB based oppression. One can only wonder.

The "read another book" crowd when you suggest that maaaaybe whipping girl doesn't hold up all that well in light of the author's endorsement of trans radical feminism:

Y’know how trans women have identified a phenomenon where, even though they are women and may have known themselves to be women for quite a while, accepting cis women will treat them as though they are guests to womanhood, like lesser women, or like they’re new to it, or as though they could not possibly already know what it’s like being a woman?

Some trans people do that at trans men with transness. Trans men aren’t lesser trans or guests in transness who don’t understand what it’s like to be trans.

The way some of you people treat trans men and transmascs is reprehensible.

Fascists won't spare you for kissing the boots that they're putting on your trans sibling's necks.

'The number of trans men getting killed is so low so clearly trans male murder is not as bad of an issue as trans women murder'

'So trans men aren't getting reported as being killed?

'Exactly!'

'So are they alive?'

'...? '

'Because if they're not being killed/targeted at the same rate as trans women then there should be more of them?'

'...'

'...there are less recorded alive trans men aren't there?'