I want to address a pitfall I see some of the transmasc advocates fall into when attempting to defend transandrophobia.
Before I get into it, you're absolutely within your right to speak out about oppression and marginalization you face and define language to articulate how these things affect you, I am not criticizing these things when I speak on this.
But when I see the focus on transfems and trans women engaging in transandrophobic behavior, it sounds like the same gender essentialist arguments used against us. Even if you're rightfully criticizing someone for having extremely bigoted views, I don't think making it about their gender identity is helpful. Anyone can be harmful and pick up harmful mindsets. It just seems to make this cyclical argument of "no YOU'RE demonizing MY gender" when nobody's behavior should be reduced to what gender they identify as.
I know transandrophobes make it difficult for us to even communicate transandrophobic behavior by denying that it even exists, but we need to keep using it to solidify its place in vernacular and keep developing on it, making sure to stay away from gender essentialist and bio essentialist mindsets. Gender/bio essentialism is baked into our society, it's yet another internalized bias we need to unlearn. When we hold people accountable for their actions and harmful ideas they're spreading, we can't present that behavior as a result of their identity. It causes the same problems that we're trying to fight against and only weakens our platform.
I think there's discussion to be had when people use their identity as a shield from criticism, which should definitely be called out, but I can't see another justified reason to focus on someone's gender identity in relation to their bigotry.
I could write 20 pages against exclusionist arguments but nothing I could say would be as efficient as this
So many people who claim to care about trans issues will see conservative transphobes rave about "cutting off healthy breast tissue" and "girls mutilating themselves," rage or clown on male pregnancy, constantly share post-op photos of top surgery scars and phallo skin grafts to illicit outrage, transvestigate male celebrities to "prove he's secretly a woman"--and then turn around and declare that the Right forgets that trans men and mascs exist. I'm so tired of it.
Tumblr is great because there are people who without a hint of irony will essentially say âbeing mean is a fundamental part of my ideologyâ and expect you to respect that
It is so annoying when people respond to "the queer community has an anti-masc problem" with "well society loves and praises masculinity!" Okay... yes... but that's not what we're talking about đ The queer community â society as a whole. Also? The society that praises masculinity does NOT praise queer masculinity. Cishet society does not praise butches, masculine trans people, or anyone who is masc in a queer way. And unfortunately, many queer people have this same problem.
"Masculinity is rewarded" have you ever spoken to a transmasc or a butch or a tomboy or any masculine woman/person perceived as a woman. Have you ever spoken to a gnc transfem.
You all realize Feminists have been critiquing "women only spaces" for decades right?
I think often about Audre Lorde's critique of a women only event that welcomed her wife and daughter, but not her son. Because she questioned it - the function and purpose of barring even the sons of Feminist women from Feminist events. Especially the barring of her young Black son, who would otherwise be left alone in the city where he would be more prone to the very violence those same Feminist women claimed to want to change.
Because what functional, forward thinking Feminist purpose does it actually serve to do that? What message does that send to women with sons, husbands, brothers, lovers, friends, who want to involve the men and boys in their lives in their activism? Who want to build a functionally better world for us all outside of the oppressive grasp of Patriarchy? Especially for the marginalized men who often sit at their own intersection violent Patriarchal oppression, that still happens to be Patriarchal oppression despite it not being distinctly misogyny?
What purpose does it truly serve to sequester yourself away into a pocket of the world, detached from those you share it with? What bright and shining future does that really promise you?
Iâm sorry , but where the hell did people hear that âtheyfabâ originated as a term to âcall out transmisogynistic afab nonbinary peopleâ đ.
Itâs from 4chan . Itâs from /tttt .
'Theyfab' was made to mock afab nonbinary ppl that they labeled as 'trenders' because they think being nonbinary was made up by 'white girls who want to be quirky'.
The term 'Theymad' is used to - to a much lesser extent then theyfab - and it's used to mock amab nonbinary people for either being 'closeted trans women' or for being 'femboys in denial'.
Itâs funny how so many of these proudly transandrophobic blogs are just. Blatantly intersexist and exorsexist as well. Literally just blocked a binary trans person who had four posts in a row whinging about nonbinary people and their âesoteric non-man gendersâ
And if they're not doing that, they're saying intersex individuals shouldnât speak up about the casual intersexism rampant in the LGBT+ community, because it makes queer perisex people sad :(
Sometimes these dumbasses even go for triple, and call every transfem whose even vaguely supportive of trans men âpick mesâ or âbrainwashed puppetsâ or even âtrans men in disguiseâ, because nothing says youâre supportive of trans women like a dose of transmisogyny!
I guess anyone who is proudly a bigot towards one group is probably gonna be a bigot to others, even if they try to pretend otherwise.
Makes em easy to block, though. One less dumbass on my dash, hope they figure their shit out bc god damn, itâs embarrassing to witness.
Hey, I may not be a trans guy, but I promise I'm in your corner. Most other LGBT+ people are on your side- they just aren't aware of how bad things are, because they don't personally experience it. Anybody worth knowing is appalled when they find out how badly you're treated on here. And those who deny it can go back to kissing our oppressor's boots- they aren't worth a second thought.
As a transgender person, I can identify with a lot of the shit you're going through.
But since I'm not transmasc or a trans man, I also acknowledge that you're facing unique struggles I've never experienced. There are issues I never knew about, until the trans men in my life pointed them out to me. Such is the nature of oppression. It's impossible to know how bad things are for a demographic you aren't a part of. That's why it's so important to listen to y'all when you bring it up.
Keep going, keep fighting, and please stay alive. I'd much rather have you here than the bigots who want you gone. They DO NOT speak for us!
No one is ever actually in trans men's corner. We're freaks and stupid little girls to the right. We're gender traitors to the left. If we say anything, we're sexist, misogynistic liars, at best. White trans men eventually die from su*cide. Trans men of color die from worse. And then we're erased from history - any impact on the world rewritten as having been done by cis women. The feminist movement seems to have moved backwards and trans men are now excluded except for being the safe punching bag. We'll eventually disappear and shut up though, not because we're were told to our entire youth or after we transition to the wrong kind of man, but because we're tired.
I'm tired.
isnt it fucked that we still have to remind people that yes, misogyny is still misogyny when it's aimed at trans men and transmascs.
Nix, They/Them, Queer, 20s Sporadically active.Do not gender me.
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