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Call me crazy, but considering how manipulative Dabi showed he can be I wouldn't discard his whole Stain fanboy persona is just a performance.

I mean put that scene of him saying "I'll fulfill Stain will" in context: in that moment the recruits actually believed Stain was actively working with Shigaraki and the LOV was a group that would follow the ideals of Chizome.

That obviously wasn't the case, but Dabi probably make up the story just for fit in the organization and later after seeing not even Spinner (the biggest Stain fanboy) give a crap about the ideals of the hero killer, Dabi just dropped the act completely and acted more like himself.

Which isn't very different from his usual self. Let's be real when he actually put in practice any of Stain actual ideals or there was some sort of callback between both characters?

I think it's actually Fanon Dabi the version that always exaggerate his supposed Stain fanboy persona, generally in an attempt to make him more sympathetic and an antihero of sorts. Coincidentally most of this fanon material cames from the era when we didn't have much context of him and people still believed for some reason that Dabi could have been trying to help his family (for some reason).

Ah btw Dabi in the manga is still comically skinny and not really that different from his debut and many times he looks like he float inside his own clothes, but the anime for some reason makes him look super ripped despite it doesn't make any sense for his character.

I much prefer Dabi's body in the manga btw, not every guy needs to have a super bulky physique to be attactive.

Hi, I did a big mulling (lol) on the whole moral aspect of Dabi and his killings. Especially considering my own au.

Look let's not kid ourselves here. It would be impossible for Besties au or canon for dabi to be "pure" aka never kill anyone. Boy was on the streets after waking up from a coma in a creepy hospital.

"a good Samaritan in the villain side took him in" ok maybe but even this good Samaritan would still be a villain and Dabi wouldn't be save of killing. Even if is self defense.

The discourse I mentioned in my channel on....ironically called Discord was about how dabi killing bad peoples works better than killing innocent people. I get the fallacy of this logic. I get the appeal.

We see characters like Punisher and we root for him bc "he is killing bad people" which makes him good in comparison. I used to like that, who didn't? But consider this idea: One villain killed the anti-hero's wife. One, and the anti hero responds by going on a rampage.

"he is angry she is dead, it's grief" he still kills a lot of people and shows no remorse.

(nothing against Anti heroes characters per se. I do love Jason Todd even if I agree how DC mistreated him, I like Bucky. I can't like Punisher through)

The thing here is if Dabi only killed bad people how we would know if the people he killed were bad to warrant the death penalty?

"dabi only killed rapist and pedos" ok. How he would know if a person committed those crimes? Waiting for the person to shout to the world all the horrible things he did on this fine Tuesday?

(this all is making me think of a case of lynching in my country, a person was accused of committed a crime, a group of the small city wanted justice and ....went to make on their own hands....turns out the person was Innocent. They killed an innocent person)

Besides killing is killing. Even if Dabi has concrete proof the people he killed are EVIL. He still took a life, he is still unaffected about it (not saying if dabi kills a rapist he should weep, but you can't exactly be so blase about it)

(I even think if Dabi goes around killing only bad people, in this case, villains....wouldn't that make others villains wry of LoV for keeping dabi? If we have a hero killer. What if we have a villain killer?)

My point on this long ass thread is how in besties au dabi has killed, ofc he did, even if is for survival...and that sticks with him. He doesn't like killing. It weights on him.

"and Endy?" Yes. He wants to kill Dabi. He wants to destroy Endy and in besties he is doing a good job. He is proactive (unlike Mr. Possum)

But the killing weights on him.

Smth I don't think it does on the heroes who kill in canon. They are sure the villains they kill are evil (I mean, I get why) and no need to think twice, right hawks?

But it's odd seeing villain stans defending dabi killing any villain without remorse and try to justify "they are evil"

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If that was the case...all the LoV deserved their fates as they are terrorists who killed lots of people, wage a war and more.

Hi @mikeellee 👋

Agreed! There is no way within Canon that dabi has never killed anyone at all. Actually, we only see dabi physically kill people after he joins the league of villains, whether that be with failed lov recruits or heroes dabi has killed.

However, in chapter 290, dabi states that he has cannonically killed over 30 innocent people. Now, I have talked about this in the @sapphic-agent post, but the framing of that panel seems to be there to humanise enji while dehumanising dabi.

How does dabi know these people are innocent?

Why did he mention the fact that they were innocent? Why didn't he just say he killed thirty people?

All of this makes me think that dabi thinks that he accidentally killed the people in the hospital.

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What if dabi thinks he killed all of the individuals in the hospital?

I agree dabi's kill count feels incredibly forced almost as if its just there to demonise dabi and make the audience more sympathetic toward

Ultimately, dabi would have realistically had to kill in self-defense. Imagine a young teenage boy obviously covered in major scaring, roaming the streets for scraps or anything to survive. That would be an easy target for people to use, rob, or do whatever they think of doing to him. Dabi would have had to quickly learn self-defense and how to survive on the street, and it shows that he did learn by his appearance.

The first time we see dabi in chapter 68, we see just how scrawny and skinny he is. He ends up gaining weight and muscle after joining the league, yet his first appearance definitely depicts him as malnourished and the increased burn scars definitely mean that he has been using his quirks ever since he was on the street for various reasons.

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A lot of Endeavor's dramatics (for lack of a word) seems to come from his privilege. He says he's willing to dance in hell, but his version

Dabi killing bad people or who he views as a bad person makes sense and is actually very in character for him. A dominant characteristic of dabi that fanon seems to undermine is that he is a huge Stain fanboy/follower. His first introduction, he announces that he plans to make the hero killers will a reality.

However, we do fall into the problem of dabi pushing his own moral views (which let's be real dabi has some very concerning views) that would be a problem. Or how does he know that this specific individual he is killing is a bad person? There's so much this is the same character who was shown to have some very misogynistic and victim blaming views, so that would be a rocky hill for him to go down on.

All of this could definitely be a great idea to explore and could easily dive deep into dabi's mentality and how that might change over the course of the series.

It is absolutely a great idea to make dabi killing weigh on him whether they're innocent or evil. Those are still people. They are still lives, they breathe, weep, form complex thoughts, bleed red etc they are people, they could be dabi and his body or the body of his loved ones could be next.

While Canon doesn't truly focus on it, it does highlight the fact that dabi does feel regret to a certain extent. Dabi is upset, and he knows, realises, and accepts that he is a bad person. It is exactly why he believes that he belongs in gell with his father. It is why all of his conversations with enji mention BOTH of them suffering and being in hell together for their sins.

There is an anime only scene with a hero cornering dabi asking him if he regrets killing and dabi doesn't respond directly, but we are shown a scene of a bloody tear falling from his face.

There is also a manga page where dabi remembers snatch and directly says that killing him drove him crazy thinking about it with a tear coming from his eye.

Is more like back in the day the only way to watch Naruto was on TV, but the cable networks in my country only had the first parts of Naruto and follow the anime on pirate sites wasn't really an option with middle 2000s internet lol.

I should watch it some day though cause I have good memories of early Naruto.

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Cider totally knows Izumi/Izuku looks at him and goes crazy, so he actually play with that and maybe accidentally He drops water on shirt as an excuse to take it off in front of our fav boy/girl.

Mizunami is a bit diabolical sometimes.

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You know? I never made the comparison between Cider and Compress but it makes a lot of sense.

Is funny how Cider intro is him saying they planned the steal operations for months to get the most cash without deal with heroes, but is notorious how neither him or his gang harm any civilians in the process. And not even after escape prison Cider attemps to harms anyone unlike almost all the other jailbreakers.

You also have Gentle as the well made version of Compress, because also a thief who tries to create spectacle but not harm civilians in the process.

Is ironic how lov fans always put Compress as the "sane" from the group, but that dude showed a lot of times to have sadistic tendencies and unlike his friends he has zero reasons to act that way.

Also tf was that scene of he putting Bakugou and Tokoyami on his mouth?

Tbh the whole idea of "my grandpa was robin hood" Horikoshi forced into Compress feels like a concept for a totally different character reporpused into the backstory of the only lov member without any background.

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Also the Humiras sure have an app like Tinder for selling their members, probably is on the playstore.

The whole cinderIzu is great and I welcome with open arms. For my au, I have an idea for them meet.

Again, BK is a footnote in her life and Izumi is not dedicating all her time and energy in thinking of him. (She hears how his quirk remains the same, no quirk awakening bs, how bk's attitude got worse and how Aizawa is sure BK is the future)

Izumi hears about the mpa here and there and ...is not impressed. She needs money, her group can't work by luck...they need ration and more, and Izumi is not happy ReDestro has "schools" for kids to learn their quirks...its just a camp where the kid learns how to use their quirk AND NOTHING ELSE (Geten my be alliterate here)

Stealing from Redestro is not something she can pull off on her own. She needs help to do this heist.

(the quirk schools aren't illegal, per se, but it rubs Izumi in the wrong way. She is right)

Enters Cinder. He shows up with his helmet, all gear up and...well, he too needs money and Mr. Youtsubashi is loaded and if he wants to make quirk schools, fine...let's rob the fucker.

Izumi gawks as Cinder removes his helmet. He is handsome and cute...she wasn't expecting this.

Lol

(I love a good mask reveal!)

I also live for the moments when a character takes of their mask and reveals to be hot, and Cider isn't the exception. I mean can you blame Midoriya for what him?

Note: Izu probably loves in particular the little scar Cider got in his eyebrown, he/her found that detail to be especially sexy.

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Is funny you mention the whole plot of Cider helping Izu to steal stuff from Re-Destro company, as I also have this idea of him making an operation to steal from a werehouse full of valuable tech and support items that Detnerant (I think that's the company name) sells into the black market.

They would have success stealing a lot of merch they later sell to get money, but also Cider found a particularly expensive prototype of a high tech glider he decides to keep for himself and use to compliment his surfing style. As Mizunami is really into surfing in my AU, like he seems to be in canon.

Oh I forgot to mention before but the vigilante name Cider/Mizunami will use for my AU will be "Splashdown". Be free to use it if you like the name.

And since you mentioned Geten here, do you think he will have some role in the story? As I mentioned before I love the idea of Cider being a Himura, but also he probably was rejected by his clan because his quirk is water instead of ice and the Himuras seems to be the kind of elitist jerks to would dishonor a child for born with a "imperfect" quirk.

Which would create a lot of tension between Cider and Geten, especially is they reconogice each other. Geten hating Cider for being "a failed Himura" and Cider will hate Geten because he's just a "an attack dog" for Re-Destro.

If you talk about deep comic lore about X-Men, then I don't really know.

While I love X-Men as a concept for a superhero group (probably my favorites on that sense) my only experience with them are the live action movies and some of the animated series. So I don't know that specific character you mention there, but there's other similar characters to Shigaraki with similar decay powers that are much better writen than him, for example Polka-Dot Man (from the James Gunn S.S movie at least).

I wish we could get more of the gay twincest between AFO and Yoichi, but well don't think Shonen Jump would allow HK to get away with that even if he wants.

Nine and Midoriya really are perfect foils for each other in canon. I wonder how your version will play out.

And one of the funniest part abot Bakugou fans is how obviously they're mostly new anime fans and Bakugou is super dope for them only because they don't know anything better. But the rest of the anitweet community always make fun of them because there's tons of characters that do the same as Bakugou but far better.

Canon possum is a joke but one thing I never forget is how decay IS powerful, sure a powerful quirk with an idiot is not a good thing in many fronts but...

Cinder (I'm loving him already) has to know a guy who can decay stuff with one touch even if he is an idiot.

Would cinder be worried about the quirk ?

Again, shig is an idiot and a bad leader and all that but one thing we can't deny is he knows how to fight.

So I think cinder would make a point to avoid him like the plague.

In canon Cider is the kind of person who knows he shouldn't bite off more than he can chew, since after all his plan during his debut was to steal during a very specific moment in which heroes aren't present, so is more reward without having to fight and less risk.

It was just a coincidence that A.M was there with Bakugou and Todoroki.

I guess his mentality also applies to fight dangerous villains, and the lov had some big names attached them. Their reputation probably was enough for Cider to not have his gang involved with such group of psychos.

But... I disagree on Shigaraki being a good fighter.

Maybe before all the bs power ups given by the doctor he at least knew how do surprise attacks and such, but Decay being such a one-dimensional quirk also means the user doesn't require a lot of skill to put it in use. It is basically just run towards the enemy and touch for instakill.

Which became even more braindead post awakening. Like even Overhaul has more room to be creative and need skill to put in use.

Decay is just a broken and boring quirk that requieres nothing to be effective. Crusty asshole somehow manages to be more plain than he already was at first, is like he evolves in reverse.

Never read that story, but there's the movie "I Spit On Your Grave" which is basically glorification of revenge from a woman perspective. Or also arguably Shinobu story is also a revenge that the narrative puts in a good light, despite Shinobu has her problems.

Anyways I get the point you tried to make there.

Would be funny if all that bad marketing for U.A cause many parents to take their kids out of that school. Well at least if the parents are smarter in this AU than they're in canon (cause after so many assesination attemps how nobody question why they still send their childrens to a death trap?).

Mizunami would get hooked into Izu the first second he sees her, but a slow burn will be fun to read and see how the sexual tension between them growns.

He can totally take Compress, since he's not really anything special in terms in fight skills and as far we know he can't compress non solid objects, so a water user would ironically be a big problem especially since Cider is a medium to long range fighter. The fight would be quite easy to Muzunami, who will also hate the annoying "magician" act of Compress.

I really don't care about Momo, so whatever happens to her is fine for me.

His line "I'm a man who lives for the thrill" lives in my mind now. Rent free. He is a bold but smart man.

I was wondering...what it he goes to steal smth in UA? Not sure on what he could steal but hey why not? That would be a huge blow to their egos.

Plot twist. Izumi beats him first and she is the one to invade UA and stole SMTH - it was crucial for her plans- BK tried to downplayed so hard but hates how everyone is impressed.

No idea of what he would steal, but if he and Izu converge the same day with the same plan of steal some shit and they're like "wtf are you doing here?".

They almost start fighting but then Bakugou appears and tries to capture them screaming "Die!" as usual, but then Izu and Cider join forces and humilliate BK in public in the U.A grounds. A hard hit for his ego.

That would be also a moment for fall into a spiral of love and horniness for our thiefs.

I mean, for Dabi in particular he totally could have been a vigilantes of sorts if he actually had some kind of heroic interest despite his own selfish motivations like revenge.

That was my initial point, and as I said is quite ironic how a guy like Dabi which introduction was him saying he will "fullfil Stain ideals" about kill fake heroes and such. But as I said in other post in retrospective that scene can be seen as just a performance to cover Dabi's real intentions when he needed to fit in a group.

I guess this is a hot take on my part considering most the fandom seems to think the opposite but... I think Dabi didn't deserve to be a hero, no matter how bad of a parents Enji and Rei were.

My reasoning behind this is simple: Dabi (or Touya) always was an extremely selfish individual and never show any sign of wanting to be a hero for noble reason, he never go beyond his fixated mentallity of "this is what I was born for and dad will love me because of it".

It's quite what this scene tries to show:

Touya's reason to be a hero can be sumed as "me, me, me, me and dad" he doesn't want to be one because is a noble thing to do and he could help people. For him being a hero is just the easy way to get all the attention from Enji he thinks he deserves, which is also implied he wants more than anyone else, that possibly includes think his brothers don't deserve Enji as much as he does.

Kinda of ironic for a supposed Stain fanboy to be a selfish asshole who never shows any real heroic desire. Like hell even other villains show to have more noble qualities than Dabi, even Shigaraki of all persons seemed more genuine when he was a child wanting to be a hero just because it is correct.

Dabi is also a great contrast to Shoto, who was forced into being a hero but learned that he could be something better than what his father expects from him.

And no one can say Rei didn't at least tried equally to be a good guide for both of them, isn't like she made a difference on that.

Well that was a little rank from my part, but need to say it as for years was a pretty annoying seeing the same idea floating everywhere about "Dabi could've been the greatest hero if it wasn't for Endeavor".

But for me the question isn't about he could, more like "he should?"

Hi @nyc3

First off, let's address the elephant in the room, everyone in MHA who wants to he a hero wants fame...(Ofc izu won't get bc fuck you Izu) My point is, hero IS a job and it's natural to want to he recognized and praised for your good job. I know bc I do like when my boss compliment on my job and ...its SMTH really smaller considering what heroes do in MHA.

I also want to say...many kids would want to be a hero for the attractive reasons such as fame and money, no one would be so selfless. Izu was, but hori says fuck him. Izu is someone who helps others selfless and is punished for that. (He wanted to be part of a group, and never will be. He is the forever odd duck, you know, some retelling of Cinderella are sort mean bc carry the message "don't marry above your station" and that's not the core of the story. Its a sentiment I see on Izu's story. "Don't try to be what you can't")

I think is normal, considering the situation, for Toya wanting to be a hero for selfish reasons. He is a kid in a toxic environment...his dad is not a hero for pure reasons either.

Could he have change? Maybe. That would require Endy to be a parent and same for Rei. Its unfair to expect Toya to move on from his dream-smth he was created for- just bc his quirk is not perfect.

Seeing a parallel with Endy and Inko here. Both parents did nothing for their kids but hurt them...through in different ways.

As for dabi, he wants revenge which is a selfish goal but is also a very understandable one.

Could he have became a hero as dabi? Maybe. The vigilantes are a grey area that isn't explored much.

I don't like when people suggest Izu or dabi to be vigilantes as if that would be the biggest catch. They could work as such but god that would come with many hurdles. Especially for Izu, and again, what any of them would do as a vigilantes? Beat up bad guys???

Isnt that what villains and heroes do?

I like to think of Cider being something like that... a sheep on a wolf costume.

Cause if you pay attention to how he acts during his two appearances, is interesting that despite being a villain Cider never harms civilians and he only wants to steal money but unlike other criminals he never tried to kill or harm unless they attack him first. He seems like a decent guy deep inside.

I actually write some snipets of Cider x Deku for another blog.

Super rare pair I know, but hear me out, I love the idea of Midoriya having being friends and later having a romantic relationship with a small criminal that isn't a total lose cause. Cider fits that description and they would look very good together.

One of the small drabbles I made was about Cider protecting Midoriya from Bakugou when they were in middle school. Cider beated the shit out of Bakugou and recovered Izuku's notebook to give it back to him, and since then he waits Izu after he finish the school day just to watch for him he goes home (Cider is in love but a bit clueless about his own feelings).

Also the idea of Midoriya having a fire quirk and got with a water user like Cider makes the ship even better. I'm weak for elemental pairs.

You can't imagine how much I love the Cider House leader guy...

A minor villain has no right to look so cool, badass and handsome like he does.

Also he probably got the best water quirk of the series.

Also he got so much sassy energy on top of having such insane drip.

Being one of his like 3 fans isn't easy, but still love him.

Looking at the characters pages in the Volume Rising extras, I notice an interesting detail about Slice's background.

Now I'm aware this is a rough translation by google, but it's interesting that Horikoshi explicitly describes Slice as being used by "men".

Which could also connect with this panel from Nine's origin backstory, in which Slice is seen lying on the floor of a destroyed apartment looking totally defeated and helpless.

As far I know this is the only time a female character (and a villain for that mattter) in the series is written with an explicit background about being used and possible exploited by mens, implying a context of misoginia.

Which also makes me wish we had more context about Slice relationship with Nine and the rest of the crew.

How she pass from not trust anyone to be fully concerned about her team? (All being mens).

There's a lot of potential to developed their relationship there.

But an important note: I don't see Slice devotion to Nine and his ideals as romantic, not at all like much people like to interpret just because she's a woman. I feel that kinda goes against her characterization, considering Nine probably was the first man she ever trust but unlike others he wasn’t a lover or anything, but a savior and a true friend/family.

Horikoshi also says on Slice character page that Nine asked her about her quirk first and he values the name of it over actual names (which btw adds to Nine's own characterization considering he doesn't have a real name). I like to think it might be one of the reasons of why Slice trust so much on Nine's vision for the world, as he probably give a new meaning to her life other than being a pretty face and help her to value her own power.

I'm sorry but it needs to be said - MHA literally has a character whose whole entire quirk is fucking vibrate and I see absolutely nothing for him, the fuck kind of crime is this

Most likely yes, considering he already ruined the best villain he ever created who was Overhaul.

And even if Nine was present in the manga I can assure you Horikoshi would have used him as another cheap way to elevate crusty idiot, not any different of what happens in the movie.

Fun trivia: In the character page for Nine in the Volume Rising, we can see in Horikoshi sketches that the palms of his hands were supposed to have the little holes that allow an AFO user to physically steal quirks.

Same holes All For One and Shigaraki have:

Yet, in the movie itself the holes are totally absent from Nine's hands despite his gloves are clearly designed with that specific function in mind.

I guess the production just totally missed that detail in the translation from Hori sketches?

I didn't follow Pokemon in like 10 years, but is funny how always I see a MHA/Pokemon mashup Midoriya always have an Eevee, and I got the vibe people are going for with this pair.

On a related note, for MHA canon verse I wish the concept of animal manefesting quirks was more explored, because outside of Nezu who is functionally the same as a mutant, animals with quirks are a dope concept. Basically pokemons for that world!

Cider being Cider in every universe is a reason why I love him.

Any other character you like for this crossover? Since you know better than me about pokemon as franchise.

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Like everything else, good writing goes first but aside of that MHA for some reason works perfectly as a crossover sandbox. Heck I've never seen a franchise being used for so many crossovers like MHA.

Every franchise, character or concept you can imagine can fit in MHA like a glove. Maybe because the premise of "everything is a superpower and everyone has one" is so easy to adapt into other things.

Personally my fav crossover is MHA x KNY.

Any crossover between MHA and other franchise you like?

Hi @nyc3 funny you ask me this bc I was thinking about an au where Izumi is in a pokemon world. Srsly!

Izumi is a poke trainer, she has eevees and eeveelutions (I think it fits here. One Eevee can be anything just like Izumi)

And well Cinder menages to steal a gym becaming a gym leader (people like him better lol) and well, things happen.

On a broad side, I don't have much crossovers for mha. They work fine as they are...they just need a good writing.