@shortmania Thank You So Much For Answering My Ask! (I Don’t Know Why I Even Did The Ask Anonymously
@shortmania Thank you so much for answering my ask! (I don’t know why I even did the ask anonymously in the first place if I’m just going to reveal myself? I mean, it’s not like I asked anything necessarily awkward anyway.) I came to you for your opinions because I like how your choices for headcanons are mostly grounded within reality (at least of the show’s reality) or to satisfy the “Rule of Funny” trope. I was really in need of some help for this height headcanon thing because this definitely puts my own headcanon height chart to shame (which is what I was hoping for mind you).
While I mostly agree with your choices and reasoning for why you made your choices; however, I do have at least one or two changes in mind. I think I will make Rhonda the height of Arnold because I personally picture her to be slightly taller than Helga like she was as a child (plus I find it hard to believe that she would be the same size as Phoebe). Also, I may or may not make Phoebe smaller for petty, fan character reasons (a fan character of mine is 5′3″ at 15 but gets a 1.5″ growth spurt between the ages of 16-17). Although, I’m leaning towards not so my fc can have a petty moment of patting herself on the back for finally being a half an inch taller than Phoebe. Got to follow that rule of funny after all.
I do like the idea of short Harold given the size comparison between him and Torvald (which he is supposedly around the same age as Harold). I originally made Sid an inch shorter in my own chart. It sadistically delights me to see that proboscis monkey being in the low end of the height chart. Although, the sizes actually work in favor of my headcanon that Stinky, Sid, and Harold will take the places of Mr. Hyunh, Oskar, and Ernie at the boarding house when they are out of school. So Sid being taller than Harold actually works for me.
This is very helpful, thank you again for doing this. I’m also glad I could help by providing an extra resource for you. I don’t even remember how I found it in the first place? It was probably from a reblogged art resource post on here. Also, it wasn’t that long since I last made that ask so don’t worry about. I understand real life and mental health comes first. I’m in no hurry, take all the time you need.
Have a good day everybody!
Hi Shortmania! I send this ask for character design reasons. Do you have any headcanon heights for any of the HA! characters at their "The Patakis" age? I don't need all of them. Just Arnold and Helga will do nicely as a starting point. You can google mrinitialman if you want to look for something to have a better visual representation of what you have in mind Thank you for taking the time to read this regardless.
Well, first of all, thank you for the neat new resource, whoa. That is super helpful and I will definitely be using that in the future.
As for my headcanons, I’m a little nervous to say because I know they’re unpopular, lol. So little disclaimer there, but.
At age 15 (and likely the rest of their lives since growth spurts after 14 (female) and 16 (male) are rare):
FOR COMPARISON:US MALE AVERAGE: 5'9"US FEMALE AVERAGE: 5'4"
Arnold: 5'7"Helga: 5'6"Gerald: 5'10"Phoebe: 5'4"Harold: 5'5"Patty: 5'11"Stinky: 6'3"Sid: 5'6"Rhonda: 5'4"Curly: 5'12"Eugene: 5'3"
And those are the ones I’ve thought about and stand behind. I think most of these are pretty self-explanatory, they’re just based off their parents, but I’ll explain the ones I know most other fans are likely to be confused by. You can skip anything you’re uninterested in, Anon. ❤️I just like to be thorough.
It is controversial to propose Arnold and Helga end up about the same height–most everybody prefer one of them to be significantly taller than the other–but it’s… just not my preference, for a few reasons. The Shortmans are a tall folk, Craig has confirmed that, but I like to think the males on Stella’s side of the family run a little smaller just because the idea of Arnold tall seems strange. He’s been consistently small throughout his childhood, and even at age eleven didn’t really grow more than maybe an inch or two since the fourth grade. Specifically, I think Arnold’s namesake, Stella’s dad, was the same. That is to say, I think he was a shorter than average dude, and I like to think Arnold strongly resembles him. That’s a baseless personal headcanon, and I acknowledge that. Arnold could be a late bloomer. I just like him a little smol.
On Helga’s end of things, my reasoning is just that… Well, there isn’t really any wrong way to calculate Helga’s height because we know basically nothing about her roots apart from Bob and Miriam. And Miriam appears to be average-ish, maybe above, Bob actually isn’t too too much taller (maybe 3-4 inches, and 2-4 inches shorter than Phil who I imagine is about 5'12"-6'0"), and Olga’s either average or below since she’s noticeably shorter than Miriam, so it’s just easiest for me to headcanon Helga as a couple inches over 5'4". It’s safe, it’s comfortable, it’s funny because it subverts expectations a bit. But I will say this: Miriam’s family is from South Dakota, Bob’s probably is as well, and South Dakota boasts some of the tallest folks in the US. Bob is also some form of Scandinavian – Hungarian, German, Ukrainian, Polish, who knows – and men in those countries tend to float around the benchmark of 5'10", and women an inch or two below the US average. So, Helga could easily be tall. Helga could also be pretty short. I do enjoy it when people portray her as this hulking powerhouse of a woman who could lift Arnold with just one arm, it’s a high quality option I would like to see more of, but my thing is that I’m always trying to a) be realistic, and b) leave room for funny scenarios. And Arnold being literally just one inch taller than Helga and Helga being endlessly salty about it is hilarious to me.
Apart from all that, I hate to mention this, but: Helga isn’t consistently fed, and when she is fed, it’s usually with crap, so. When kids aren’t fed well or often, they don’t tend to grow quite as much as they might have otherwise. So, that is something to take into account. Moving on now.
About Gerald: thing is, there’s that stereotype of black men being absolute mountains because of basketball and I think that’s probably why most people see Gerald being like six feet, but… Gerald’s dad is a frugal numbers-obsessed business man. He’s nerdy. He’s kinda short. It makes a little bit of sense to me that Gerald might be tall-ish because for a nine-year-old boy, he is fairly big? But eh. I just try to split the difference, to honor both his genes and his onscreen rate of development, and I arrive at a little above average because the thought of Gerald being the sole Tol of his immediate family (taller than Jamie-O, especially) is funny to me, and I will always pick the option that is funny to me.
Aaaand both of Harold’s parents are tiny. I don’t really know why people always draw/write him tall–I guess it’s more attractive? he always refers to himself as big? he’s a part of the hulking bully/gentle giant archetype?–but people forget he’s 13 in-show and actually pretty small for his age. At least compared to, like, fifth and sixth graders. Wolfgang is at least twice his height, and I’m pretty sure Harold is older than him. This show is ridiculously confusing and inconsistent about age and child development, but, well. These are the only points of reference we have, so. Yep.
I love Patty… That’s it. That’s my reasoning. Let her tower over us all as she rightfully deserves.
I hope this was helpful! You don’t have to agree with me, of course, but I hope I at least gave a fair baseline for you to form your own conclusions. Thanks for caring about my dumb opinion, lol, and best wishes on all your projects.
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Aww, thanks! I don't know if I would call a song that inserted the word, "diarrhea" in it beautiful but that's what I chose regardless because I thought it fit the Bob's Burgers humor. lol I made a sequel to it as well. This time it's a poem pretending to be a song from the perspective of Tina singing it to Zeke. Like the last one, it's basically a free song if you want to use it in a BB fanfic or something. I'm open to edits if you can find a better stanza than what I have been doing. All I ask is for a shout-out to me for the original poem. Basically, the song hypothetically would have taken a year after Zeke's song in my story. It just seems about the right amount of time for Tina to be fully committed to the Zekina relationship, ready to say the L word, and everything. Anyway, enough chitchat! Time for part two!
When I was two or maybe three
I was always drawn to a certain physique
To my younger self, I now say I strongly disagree
Cause I found the one who makes my knees go weak
Some say his breath may reek
Or that he’s a messed up, twisted freak
They can all take back their lousy critiques
Because there isn’t anything that I would tweak
I don’t need a body built like the Ancient Greeks
I just need those four embraceable cheeks
An intelligent mind full of wit and mystique
It pales to one that supports me when I can’t speak
I once believed in someday my prince would come
How could I ever have been so dumb
Cause I thought if I ever earned a boy that chic
I’d be free from feeling I’m just a messed up, twisted freak
If they say that I reached my peak
That’s something I can easily eke
Even if the whole world calls me a geek
I know to you I’ll always be unique
I don’t need a body built like the Ancient Greeks
I just need those four embraceable cheeks
I’m done chasing boys with fancy dancing techniques
They will never light a candle to your smile when things get bleak
So if the zombie apocalypse comes in less than a week
Before my bones become earths humble antique
I need to tell you this now, no matter how meek
I love you…. (momentarily stops as she's being kissed by you know who) Zeke
Fanfiction Prompt Idea! Inspiration struck me like a bolt of lightning and I leaped at the chance before it went away. I was drawn to making song lyrics from the pov of Zeke singing to Tina (really just wanted to rhyme things a lot of things with TinaXD). It's just lyrics, no musical notes. So it's useless unless you want to use it for fanfiction. So that's why I'm submitting this. Here's a free song for you that Zeke could sing in your fanfiction to Tina. I'm extremely open to edits if you think you can find a way to make it better for your story. All I ask is credit be given to me for my original lyrics. I tried to make the lyrics fit the show's brand of humor. So I hope you like it. I also like to clarify you're free to edit it as you wish if you want to use it for a fanfiction idea.
Oh Tina For you my heart spins like a ballerina You’ve made me laugh more than a hyena When the world says you can’t ina You say yes you cantina
Smarter than Athena Stronger than diarrhea Pretty as a gardenia Spicier than paprika Eureka, oh Tina
And oh, though the future’s unknown I may never not give you a reason to groan But no matter what, this is set in stone I’m never gonna leave you alone
So even if your sister is up to some crazy schema That lands her in a giant prison arena I’ll help you flee the country to avoid the subpoena I recommend Argentina (Tina: Wait what?) How about it Bonita?
Oh, no matter where we roam (Tina: Are we just going to brush off that last one?!) From our crimes that we must atone (Tina: Ah screw it!) One thing’s for sure, deep down in my corazon (Tina: Really leaning in with the Spanish huh?) You’ll always be my home (Tina: Aww!)
T is for your true blue heart I is for how inspiring you were from the start N is my nerves for you I’ll never grasp A is for your oh so great taste in ass
Oh, though the future’s unknown I’m never gonna stop giving you a reason to groan But no matter what, this is set in stone You’re never gonna be alone
I wish I could go on and on everyday and spill all that I need to say I can’t claim forever, I only have today So in short, oh Tina you take my breath away
(I'm showing I'm a very petty person for showing up Jimmy Jr. with his own song lyrics from "Two for Tina" oops! XD)
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Incorrect Bob's Burgers Quotes 4
Tina: What-what are you talking about?!
Zeke: Well, yeah, it was a really nice thing and all, but it made you feel really good right?
Tina: Yeah. So?
Zeke: It made you feel good, so that makes it selfish. Look, there's no unselfish good deeds, sorry.
Tina: Yes there are! There are totally good deeds that are selfless.
Zeke: Well, may I ask for one example?
Tina: Yeah, it's… Y'know there's—no you may not!
(They are standing on either side of Jimmy Jr. as they discuss the point. Jimmy Jr., meanwhile, is disgusted with the whole argument.)
Zeke: That's because all people are selfish.
Tina: Are you calling me selfish?!
Zeke: Are you calling you people? (Jimmy Jr. rolls his eyes.) Yeah, well sorry to burst that bubble, T-Bird, but selfless good deeds don't exist. Okay? And you know the deal on Santa Clause right?
Tina: I'm gonna find a selfless good dead. I'm gonna beat you, you evil genius. Tina: Hey, Zeke, when you said the deal with Santa Clause, you meant?
Zeke: That he doesn't exist.
Tina: Right. (She turns and opens her eyes in shock.)
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So Not a Pity Kiss! Couldn't think of a better title for the image, so here it is anyway. For context, Tina claimed the "Apoca-lips" was a pity kiss because she was flattered Zeke liked her, decided to throw him a bone before they all died, and nothing more.
Zeke doesn't buy it because no one gives a kiss like that out of pity. To prove him wrong, Tina tells him to reenact the kiss on her. She's so sure that it won't affect her and that she'd be able to tell the level of passion and say once and for all it was definitely pity and nothing else. Since Zeke would take any excuse to kiss Tina, he agrees to the challenge. With Tina's consent, Zeke tries to reenact the "Apoca-lips" from memory as best as he can. Tina is in trouble when she realizes that Zeke is a better kisser than she thought. So she has a very long, painful 2 seconds as she tries to not give in to the moment, remain perfectly still, and not even close her eyes. She can't let Zeke be right. It was just a pity kiss, just pity.
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I wanted to update you, thanks to "So You Stink You Can Dance", I now conclude that Zeke became a Wagstaff student in 6th grade over 5th grade. It's thanks to Leslie getting his spirit crushed by Spencer that I was able to figure it out. Given Leslie can drive, is not much taller than Jimmy Jr., and I assume around the same height as Logan, the youngest he can be is 16. He also could probably be 17 or 18 but I'm going with 16 for now. I believe he would be much taller if he was in his 20s. Leslie used to love dancing and Zeke has a video of him on his phone his cousin dancing at the age of 13. We find out that Leslie tried to take his dancing to the next level "a few years ago" so it is at least more than 2. Since this is the first time Jimmy Jr. is hearing about Leslie getting crushed by the same man that he is going to get criticism from, Leslie had to have been rejected before Zeke went to Wagstaff. If he was rejected when Zeke and Jimmy Jr were already friends, you know Zeke would have been talking about it with JJ for comfort so it wouldn't make sense for JJ not to already know the story before the episode.
So my timeline is Leslie got the brutal criticism at 13 (to be fair, he could have been older when he tried out, but I think the intention of the episode was to show he tried out at the same age JJ and the rest to parallel his situation) while Zeke was 10. Zeke's family moves again when Zeke turns 11 and the scar of Leslie getting his dancing spirit crushed has faded after a year. He goes to Wagstaff in the 6th grade and meets a new friend with a passion for dancing that reminds him of the passion his cousin used to have and they immediately click, much to Tina's dismay.
I prefer 6th grade to 5th grade for Zeke anyway because it shows Tina's original disdain for Zeke in his fist appearance was fresh but not too fresh when it comes to him taking JJ's attention from her.
I have been rewatching some Bob's Burgers episodes and now I am going to show my headcanon of when Zeke first came to Wagstaff. TLDR version, I think Zeke became a student at Wagstaff between 4th and 7th grade. I think my safe bet is either 5th or 6th grade unless I find more evidence. Here's the evidence of how I came to the conclusion. So we know that Zeke wasn't there when Tina, Jocelyn, and Jimmy Jr. were in third grade because in the episode, "Can't Buy Me Math" Jocelyn immediately reveals that she remembers "the pee thing" while neither Zeke nor Tammy comment on it (Also wanted to bring up I know Darryl said 2nd grade but keep in mind he's a grade lower than Tina and the rest). Tammy doesn't because she wasn't there when it happened because she became a Wagstaff student in 8th grade. Jimmy Jr. left before we could ever find out if he remembered. Tammy and Zeke would have definitely commented on remembering it if they knew about it, one being more malicious about it than the other mind you.
So to me, I think it's safe to say that Zeke wasn't with them during third grade. I don't think Zeke was in Wagstaff in 4th grade either because in the episode, "A Fish Called Tina" We get a flashback of 9-year-old Tina with other students. Jimmy Jr. and Jocelyn are in the flashback, but not Zeke. Lastly, in the episode, "A Few Gurt Men" it is revealed by Mr. Branca that someone tried to flush down three spoons last year, which Zeke apologized for. So it's safe to say Zeke was with them during 7th grade and didn't just recently transfer to Wagstaff in the 8th grade like Tammy. So because of the evidence I gathered so far, I think between 4th and 7th grade is when Zeke moved and became a student at Wagstaff.
My guess is 5th or 6th grade until I see something that contradicts it.
My asks are officially open (That's a lie, they are closed now XD) for a limited time to ask questions specifically about my oc, Willow and Flips White Fudge. I got this list from @tnbc-thoughtsandheadcanons Anyway, let the fun begin! Hopefully, I'll be able to figure out how to do these quickly since it's my first time. XD — SHIP QUESTIONS For Willow and Flips Whitefudge
PRE-RELATIONSHIP
How did they first meet?
What was their first impression of each other?
Did any of their friends or family want them to get together?
Who felt romantic feelings first?
Did either of them try to resist their feelings?
If you had told one of them that the other would be their soulmate, what would they think?
What would their lives be like if they had never met?
GENERAL
Who initiated the relationship, and how did it go?
Did they have an official first date? If so, what was it like?
What was their first kiss like?
Were they each other’s first anything (kiss, relationship, etc.)?
What’s their height difference? Age difference?
What’s their relationship with each other’s families? Do they share a friend group?
Who takes the lead in social situations?
Who gets jealous easier?
Who whispers inappropriate things in the other’s ear?
LOVE
Who said “I love you” first?
What are their primary love languages?
Who uses cheesy pick-up lines?
How often do they cuddle/engage in PDA?
Who initiates kisses?
Who’s the big and little spoon?
What are their favorite things to do together?
Who’s better at comforting the other?
Who’s more protective?
Do they prefer verbal or physical affection?
What are some songs that apply to their relationship, in-universe or otherwise?
What kind of nicknames do they call each other?
Who remembers the little things?
DOMESTIC LIFE
If they get married, who proposes?
What’s the wedding like? Who attends?
How many kids do they have, if any? What are they like?
Do they have any pets?
Who’s the stricter parent?
Who worries the most?
Who kills the bugs in the house?
How do they celebrate holidays?
Who’s more likely to convince the other to come back to sleep in the morning?
Who’s the better cook?
Who likes to dance?
Made a playlist for the WillowxFlips ship. It’s not as intricate, long, or connected as the Debmund one but hopefully I’ll get that figured out later.
All the context you need is that all songs before Ransom is Willow before she met Flips Whitefudge
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