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I hope Iskall85 understands that comparing himself, somebody who was a creep to people in his dms and who cheated on his partner, to women and marginalized people getting murdered, is disgusting.
He didn’t refute the screenshots being real, and he also put blame on the Hermitcraft server for cancelling him when they put out a neutral statement about the situation and gave him an opportunity to discuss what was happening. He’s been on Hermitcraft for eight years, he had close friends on the server. They did not think it was fun or advantageous to have this conversation. Some of the victims haven’t come out against him publicly, and there’s no motive for his moderators and team, who financially benefitted from him, to accuse him other than that being the truth. The hermits haven’t said much of anything at all, and what they did say months ago was short and precise, as well as contradictory to Doc’s statements on the hermits trying the best they could to talk to him.
If you support Iskall85 after this statement and after the evidence which has been presented then block me, because I don’t want to see you around. He very clearly guilted his former staff and threatened the people he harmed, and this is not behavior that should be tolerated in any way.
Just to add, AO3 has such a great tag system that I haven't seen in other websites. You can literally filter out all of the stuff that makes you uncomfortable and don't want to read. And it's so easy to use.
God knows the amount of stuff I filter out because they either make me uncomfortable or are just not my cup of tea; Be it either something potentially triggering or just a shipp I'm not into. It's fucking amazing, we can go straight for the stuff we love. From filtering out the ones we don't want to see, to going straight to our favorite ones.
Please, use the tag system, it exists for that very reason. And for the few fics the slip through the filtering for lack of proper tags? Just ignore them. Hell, you can even mute writers. So just keep swimming!
AO3 is such a precious gift made from fan to fan, so let's cherish it properly instead of using it for hate. It's like a buffet from the Gods; Take your favorite food and ignore the ones you don't like to eat. Cuz' you don't stop in the middle of a restaurant just to point at the food you don't like and, what? Fight the cooks for having cooked them??? NO!! You let them cook! AND EAT YOUR FAVORITE FOOD!! CUZ THEY HAVE THAT TOO!!
heard someone say archive of our own should install a "dislike" button and I thought I should say this: no, there's absolutely no need for archive of our own to install a "dislike" button.
why? because archive of our own isn't tiktok or youtube or twitter/x where users can monetize their content. archive of our own is a nonprofit site run by fans for fans, which means every content — every fanfic — you see on archive of our own was made out of pure love and passion from the artists/authors.
ao3 authors write because writing about these characters is their happiness and passion. they write for themselves, but they were generous enough to share with you their creations.
they're not "content creators" the way tiktokers or youtubers or instagram models are. they don't "make content" for views and engagements that can be monetized.
so no, you don't get to "grade their works" unless they specifically and directly ask you to.
you don't get to "say what you dislike about their works" unless they specifically and directly ask you to.
you don't get to "dislike" works that are not made specifically to please you in the first place. you're just a guest in someone's house, a house in which they let you in because they were kind, you don't get to roam around their house and say what you dislike about their furniture. you don't get to roam around their house and say you "dislike their house".
of course, you can have your opinion about the house its host invites you in. but if it's a negative one and you find yourself not liking the house, the polite things for you to do is excuse yourself and leave without telling them you dislike their house.
and just because you personally dislike the house doesn't mean the house is "ugly" either. the house you dislike could be a favorite, most luxurious place to many others.
my point is, don't be entitled by wanting the rights to voice your disapproval of things that you get to enjoy for free. don't be entitled by wanting the rights to voice your disapproval of things that were made out of love and passion — things the artists made for themselves for fun.
it makes you look like an entitled jerk with main character syndrome. the universe does not revolve around you.
now repeat after me: don't like don't read. no one forces you to continue reading a fic you don't like. quietly leave instead of being rude to authors who write for free because writing is their source of comfort.
people are so used to contents that were made because it's a trend / contents like tiktok that were made with the main purpose of reaching high engagement and making profits that they forget sometimes things can be made out of love and be made just for fun. sometimes things are supposed to just be for people to enjoy, and if some people don't enjoy them, then they can simply leave without being unnecessary unkind.
Yep! That's because it's not an actual argument or discussion. It's people trying to silence trans men and anyone who defends them.
From what I've seen, some of these people also believe that trans men are simultaneously "late transition, indistinguishable from cis men and immune to misogyny" and "Basically cis girls with D-Cups, hiding behind their femininity, and a week from detransitioning into a terf" There's so many contradictions in anti-transmasc viewpoints, it's a wonder that anyone falls for them. It's all disgustingly misogynistic and transphobic, and reeks of truscum and terf logic. I'll say what I always say, don't argue with them. Just block and move on. Most trans people ain't like that.
there are people on bluesky who proudly put on their profiles being "baeddel" like, that shit didn't work here in the 2010s tumblr (where it originated), so why the fuck are you trying to make it come back, lmao
actually i wouldn't be surprised if this-certain-group of trans ppl on bluesky are actually all baeddels but just not saying it out loud.
seeing them all still talking about "cissexual" privilege when refering to other TRANS ppl, the classic "you are trans but NOT REALLY trans like me", im just gonna say, be careful with this kind of thinking.
for context:
no, being "baeddel" is not good AT ALL. please, don't let anyone tell you otherwise bc, holy fuck, just read the whole thing and be wary. it's pretty much TERF rethoric, only trans version (also known as TIRF), lmao
i found out about this whole "baeddel" around the end of last year, and it was like "woah what the fuck??????" i had no idea this kind of shit happened. please, read it in full 😩😩
(edit: an updated version of this article is also here on tumblr!!)
My posts are all: "Hey, don't talk over trans men when they want to discuss their oppression!" "Nonbinary people aren't being treated very well right now, and we're being erased by the rest of the community." "Trans men and trans women aren't enemies." "Care about identities that aren't your own, include other trans people in your advocacy."
Which is apparently a grave enough offense to misgender me and compare me to a nazi, go figures.
It goes to show that some people are really transphobic before they transition, and they refuse to address this after their egg cracks.
Theyfab isn't a transmasc-specific slur. It's always been used against any nonbinary person assumed to be AFAB.
Though the AGAB of nonbinary people is nobody's business in the first place, it bears repeating that not every AFAB nonbinary person is transmasculine, just as not every AMAB nonbinary person is transfeminine.
These bigots aren't just transphobic towards trans men/mascs, they're exorsexist as well. We'll be stronger if we stick up for each other and push back against them together!
Edit: Just to make it clear, theyfab is being used against transmascs as well! I just want people to also acknowledge the non-transmasc nonbinary people being hurt.
So much pointless LGBT+ discourse could be avoided if people just stopped assuming they knew everything about the oppression OTHER identities face.
For example, if you’re nonbinary, you can absolutely talk about the struggles you’ve dealt with as a nonbinary person, and speak of the issues your community is dealing with. But if you’re not transfem, it’s not your place to comment on how transfem issues compare to your own.
And if you’re a trans woman, you should absolutely not be talking about how trans men “have it easier” or what transitioning is like for them, because you fundamentally don’t know! You’re not a trans man!
And it goes both ways- trans men shouldn’t speak on trans women’s issues! Binary trans people shouldn’t claim to know what it’s like to be nonbinary!
It even hearkens back to older varieties of discourse, like ace discourse. You saw non-ace people talking about what THEY thought being ace was like, because they believed that being LGBT+ themselves made them the arbiters of oppression.
Or hell, gay men claiming that lesbians had it sooo easy compared to what they went through! Like, man, how the hell would you know, you're not a lesbian!
Just. Stop! Stop talking about the assumed experiences of other people! Being one flavor of queer doesn’t mean you’re the expert on ALL queer oppression! LISTEN to other people, stop talking over them!
I think if people accepted this, 90% of stupid online identity discourse would vanish overnight.
I think at the end of the day, my opinion on all flavors of LGBT+ label discourse will always be: “If you do not belong to a community, you do not get to decide what words that community gets to coin and use.”
If you’re not ace, you shouldn't tell ace people they’re not allowed to use aspec or aphobia.
If you’re not intersex, you shouldn't tell intersex people they’re not allowed to use intersexism or CAGAB.
If you're not a trans woman, you shouldn't tell trans women they can't use the word transmisogyny.
If you’re not a trans man or transmasc, you’re not allowed to tell them they can’t use transandrophobia. And you certainly can’t redefine the word to suit your arguments against it.
Hell, even if you are a part of a community, you don’t get to decide what words OTHER PEOPLE can use.
I’m agender. I don’t like it when people refer to me as an “enby” bc I’m not a huge fan of the word, but it’s not my place to tell other nonbinary people they’re not allowed to use it just because I personally dislike it.
You’d have to be a grade-a asshole to think otherwise.
Trans men don’t have to be personally useful to you for them to be valuable members of the community. Stop treating them like tools.
Stop asking trans men to throw themselves on the sword so you can be shielded from transphobia.
Stop acting like it’s their job to protect you, just because they’re men.
Don’t ask trans men to defend you or speak up for you if you’re not willing to return the favor.
We’re supposed to protect each other regardless of identity; it needs to be a two-way street. That’s the whole fucking point of this community.
Transgender transphobes on tumblr:
“Trans men are subhuman! I hope all TMEs get cancer and die! Forced pregnancy isn’t that bad, these whiny bitches should be grateful they can get pregnant!”
The same trans transphobes in their personal posts: “IDK why, It’s like, I have no trans friends… I just feel so miserable all the time… everyone hates me…”
Gee, I wonder if there’s a correlation here. Maybe log off until you’ve learned to be a halfway decent person.
It does go to show that the majority of the LGBT+ community isn't like this, however. It's just a handful of deeply miserable and self-loathing people who prefer hurting others over trying to fix their own issues. Their word should never be taken as gospel, or a reflection of what the rest of us think
Don't talk to tar pits, just report, block, and move on.
The cycle of “invisible” oppression in the LBGT+ community:
You face sexual abuse, workplace discrimination, medical discrimination, and violence
It never gets reported, or is lumped in with the statistics of a different oppressed group.
Data and “proof” regarding your discrimination is spotty or nonexistent as best, so nobody advocates for you or talks about it in the media
Other LGBT+ people don’t personally hear about it, so they claim it doesn’t exist/they have it worse while dismissing and denying your personal experiences.
The discrimination continues to happen unopposed
This isn’t me arguing that hypervisibility is any better. It goes without saying that the hypervisibility of certain groups (Trans women, gay men, etc) contributes to their oppression, and has made things incredibly dangerous for them right now.
I just want people to acknowledge the dangers of invisibility as well.
Trans men, intersex people, nonbinary people, asexual people… There are so many groups in the LGBT+ community who get left behind and ignored while society tries to eradicate us.
You need to care about people like us, too. Please include other identities in your advocacy. We can't have trans/queer unity until you acknowledge and support ALL of us.
"Nix, you're not even a trans man, why do you care so much about transandrophobia?" Because we're supposed to care about each other??? Because the whole point of the LGBT+ community isn't to section ourselves off into neat little groups; it's to stick up for each other and uplift the voices of marginalized identities?
Seriously, when I see people being bigoted towards trans guys, my blood boils. How can other queer people stand by while it happens, or even perpetuate it when we're supposed to be protecting each other?
Trans men are forgotten by the rest of the community far too often. It's disgusting that many people on here have gotten so comfortable shitting on y'all- people who are ALSO marginalized, who should know better.
You deserve a safe place with the rest of us, and you have a right to create whatever words you wish to use to discuss your oppression.
The trans men in my life had my back when I was being hurt and excluded, so I'm gonna have your backs in return.
Hello, here to remind people that this discourse is hurting nonbinary people as well, especially nonbinary transmascs.
Please include your nonbinary siblings in your advocacy, and don’t forget to uplift their voices as well. The assholes calling people “theyfabs” and denying the existence of transandrophobia aren’t just out to get trans men.
Half the posts I see are about "theyfab trender tme they/hes", they hate nonbinary people too.
Trans men are left out of the conversation far too often; please don't repeat the same mistake with a different group.
If you go out of your way to harass and argue with trans women, you deny them their right to discuss their oppression, and you only ever see the worst in them, you being
Transphobic!
Now, if you go out of your way to harass and argue with trans men, you deny them their right to discuss their oppression, and you only ever see the worst in them, you are still being
Transphobic!
And of course, if you go out of your way to harass and argue with nonbinary people, you deny them their right to discuss their oppression, and you only ever see the worst in them, you are (yet again) being
Transphobic!
No, it doesn't matter if you're a trans woman, a trans man, or nonbinary yourself! You're still being a bigot. Unlearn your internalized transphobia and play nice with the other queers. The fascists hate all of us, stop doing their work for them.
Bigots in the tag, with their full chest: "Trans men only use the word transandrophobia to complain about trans women!"
Actual posts in the tag:
"My ex assaulted me when I came out as trans, because he thought getting me pregnant would make me stop taking T."
"My mom told me that transitioning would make me aggressive and sexist, because testosterone is an evil hormone."
"I wish people here were nicer to trans men. It feels like the farther along I get in my transition, the more I am excluded by the LGBT+ community."
Like, go ahead and say you've never actually listened to a trans man when he's talking about his oppression. Transandrophobia is NOT about trans women, it's about the struggles trans men and transmascs face.
Them having a word doesn't hurt you, stop being a massive pissbaby.
in the wake of genderqueerdykes transmisognistic post shall you not use it as an excuse to be anti good faith identities, or spreading the “transandrophobia truther” theory. Just because someone is a shit person doesn’t mean you get to be horrible back. and if you try arguing with me on this fuck off because i will block u.
And yes, this includes screenshots with the name cropped out!
I'm not trying to call anyone out here, or vague about fellow transmasc-friendly posters, but I really do think this is a huge problem in tumblr discourse in general.
I know, there are people being awful to trans men on tumblr, and transandrophobia is a huge fucking problem on this site. I can think of a handful of blogs who are the worst offenders- I'm sure anyone who's been on here longer than a week knows their names.
But they feed off of this attention! When you reblog their posts to argue with them, or screenshot their takes, you're just spreading their influence around. They're not going to change, they're not going to stop being cruel or transphobic, and arguing with them will only make you feel worse and give them more ammo to use against you.
Not to mention, if somebody has these blogs blocked, and you post untagged screenshots of their shit, you're making people see them whether they like it or not! Somebody who blocked a bigot so they didn't have to deal with their rancid-ass takes shouldn't have to see them screenshotted on 12 different trans-friendly blogs.
Focus more on uplifting the voices of trans men and transmascs than engaging with bullies!
Trans men do not have it easier than trans women.
Trans women do not have it easier than trans men.
Right now, trans women are dealing with hypervisibility. This means these women are the target of a shitton of gross caricatures and blatant transmisogyny in the news and in media. This means lawmakers will name trans women directly as they ban feminine transition and try to wipe them from existence. This means you can’t go a day without hearing about the horrible things happening to trans women all over the world.
Right now, trans men are dealing with invisibility. This means these men are the target of hate crimes that are never reported, or are reported as violence against women. This means lawmakers can sneakily ban masculine transition under the guise of “preserving female fertility” and “preventing young girls from mutilating themselves”. This means their stories don’t get as much attention, even when trans men get murdered in broad daylight.
No, this doesn’t mean violence against trans women never goes unreported, or that anti-transmasc caricatures don’t exist.
One group does not have it easier than the other- instead, they face transphobia that is enacted and enforced by society in different ways. Claiming that one is "better" than the other makes you a transphobe and contributes to the problem.
For the love of fuck please just TALK and LISTEN to people outside of your own community.
(I am aware this is an extremely binary take on this- I’m nonbinary myself, but I haven’t seen as many people arguing that nonbinary people have it easier. I’m sure there are plenty, if I haven’t already blocked their sorry asses.)
I keep seeing people say shit like “I’m against transandrophobia because it’s just a way for trans men to excuse their transmisogyny!”
“Using transandrophobia just means you hate transfems!”
And I wish I could say to these people, as bluntly as possible
Trans men talking about their oppression doesn’t hurt you.
A transmasc person discussing their concerns about forced pregnancy and detransition doesn't mean they think trans women have it better.
A trans man saying “hey, I don’t pass easily, and I still experience misogyny!” doesn't mean he thinks transmisogyny is fake and you pass easily.
A trans man bringing up how invisibility means hate crimes against trans men often go unreported doesn't mean he thinks hypervisibility is any better.
A non-American trans man telling you that no, his life is not actually easier than yours, doesn't mean he thinks you are lying about your experiences.
People saying “Hey, I think trans men are oppressed!” does not mean they think trans women are NOT oppressed.
That's a whole new sentence.
Yes, there are going to be bad faith actors and bigots in every community. Transmisogyny is something we all have to watch out for, because it is so normalized in our society. No one identity is exempt from this.
No one identity is uniquely transmisogynistic, either.
You can’t insist every person who believes in transandrophobia hates transfems and is out to get you, specifically.
You want proof? Talk to the trans men and mascs who actually use the tag, listen to them for once. Hear their stories about the oppression they have experienced, and, crucially, don’t derail it and make it about you.
You don’t have to like the term. Hell, even if you’re a trans man or transmasc, you don’t have to use it! But don’t police the people who do.
It’s funny how so many of these proudly transandrophobic blogs are just. Blatantly intersexist and exorsexist as well. Literally just blocked a binary trans person who had four posts in a row whinging about nonbinary people and their “esoteric non-man genders”
And if they're not doing that, they're saying intersex individuals shouldn’t speak up about the casual intersexism rampant in the LGBT+ community, because it makes queer perisex people sad :(
Sometimes these dumbasses even go for triple, and call every transfem whose even vaguely supportive of trans men “pick mes” or “brainwashed puppets” or even “trans men in disguise”, because nothing says you’re supportive of trans women like a dose of transmisogyny!
I guess anyone who is proudly a bigot towards one group is probably gonna be a bigot to others, even if they try to pretend otherwise.
Makes em easy to block, though. One less dumbass on my dash, hope they figure their shit out bc god damn, it’s embarrassing to witness.
I was a teenager when ace and transmed discourses were at their peaks, and I can’t exaggerate how badly it affected me then.
Now trans men are the latest target, and I’m terrified for trans kids.
It’s easy to say “intracommunity discourse is an online problem! Go talk to queer people irl!”, but people forget that so many kids and teenagers do not have safe or reliable access to IRL LGBT+ communities and support groups. For many, online spaces are the only option.
We need to make sure the younger members of our community are being heard, and block out the hateful voices with messages of support and encouragement. Things are bad enough for trans people right now, and it's easy to forget that trans minors are often the ones suffering the most.
The hate you are experiencing isn’t normal, it hasn’t always been like this, and it won’t always be this way. It is bleeding out from a small, miserable group of self-absorbed jerks.
Don’t feel obligated to call them out, don’t feel like you have to interact with these people. Please don’t doomscroll through discourse tags; it will make you feel like everyone is out to get you.
If you want to speak up for your community, that’s fine, but please take a break if you feel like your mental health is worsening. Block anybody who so much as breathes rudely in your direction.
You’re just as trans as the rest of us. You are welcome here.
Oh, and if you want to seek out external resources and groups, PFLAG helped me a lot when I was younger. It is an American-based organization, however, so if anyone has recommendations for those living outside of the US, please let me know in the reblogs!
Hey we all know pronouns aren't a privilege, right?
It doesn't matter how "annoying" a trans person is, it doesn't matter if they disagree with you on some intracommunity issue-
Use the pronouns they have in their bio, or the pronouns they ask you to use. Even if you really don't like them, or you think they're problematic.
Your comfort with somebody's pronouns isn't a factor. Using ANY other pronoun for a user that prefers it/its is misgendering. Same with neopronouns. If you can't manage it, don't talk to it.
Oh and just to be clear-
Claiming that a trans woman's account is actually "run by a man" is misgendering. Saying a trans man's blog is part of some "secret terf circle" is misgendering. Pretending a person is actually your oppressor in disguise so you can misgender them is, get this, misgendering!
I don't care how much you dislike someone, use the right fucking pronouns.
"i feel like this 4chan screenshot is relevant to the antitransmasculinity discourse"
(Was sent this in an ask, the user asked not to publish it with their URL, forgetting to send it as anon, so I'll just publish it like this)
Don’t let this stupid discourse prevent you from transitioning! Don’t let people dedicated to misunderstanding you have any impact on how you live your life!
Yes, there will be assholes. I know it hurts more when the people who should support you are the ones attacking you- trust me, I’ve been there.
But at the end of the day, they’re not the ones living your life. They don’t know what’s best for you- you do.
It’s all up to you to decide; what being a man means to you, your relationship with masculinity, and what you want out of your transition.
There’s no wrong answer except for the one others try to force on you.
I can’t wait to see who you become!
Person thinks trans men can’t reclaim “tranny”?
Wow, that’s stupid. Block ‘em.
Some asshole believes that trans men are uniquely misogynistic or privileged or whatever fun discourse buzzword they’re using today?
Their prejudice is not your problem. Block ‘em.
Random blogger says trans men don’t experience (insert common form of transphobia here)?
Don’t try to prove them wrong by sharing details of your trauma. Just block ‘em.
The worst offenders aren’t going to change. They’re not going to listen to you, or engage in a good-faith debate. Speaking from experience, showing them any vulnerability will just result in it being used against you.
It’s sad, but these people are stuck in a discourse tar-pit that makes them see their trans siblings as enemies. They have to pull themselves out; they won’t hear a word you say, not when they’ve already made up their minds about you.
Don’t give them a platform. Don’t waste your time and energy on bad-faith arguments. Spend it with people who don’t make misunderstanding you their favorite hobby.
Make sure you've blocked fite-club/rittz. Like half of the inane discourse yapping goes away when you do, it's great.
In many circles both online and irl, I see ppl of the Caucasian persuasion obsessing over certain cultural dresses, religions, practices, philosophy, food, etc. I see this especially within pagan or "new age" religious and spiritual groups. As I understand it, lots of these people are looking to "find themselves." To escape the often Christian, capitalist, modern lifestyles and values they were raised under. My question is this: Why not actually look into your roots? If your reasoning for this major life change is that modern life is "too far gone" from what life should be like, why not look to your own ancestors and take inspiration from those cultural practices? Immigrants from Europe to America (like most other immigrants) were forced to assimilate and, in the process, watered down and lost their culture. However, unlike immigrants who may have been internally displaced, or whose home countries were already overtaken by colonialism, European immigrants still left their culture in their old homes. It's alive! Why not go find it?
My theory? The white guilt of colonialism is too great. They don't want to confront the fact that such a large portion of their ancestry was so cruel, and therefore, they steal the ancestry and culture of the oppressed.
Sad how some of these super online folks are so needlessly entrenched in unimportant discourse that they take simple disagreements as a personal attack.
If I say I don't think Sheik is trans I'm not saying all headcanons are invalid and you're an idiot for having any. I'm just saying I don't think this character's trans. Calm down.
Has anyone noticed how ungodly toxic fandom is lately? Especially on TikTok. Why is the TikTok Sonic community becoming the toxic Voltron’s Legendary Defender fan base 2.0.. I literally saw a video shitting on metamy specifically because it wasn’t canon. Like isn’t the whole point of fandom to have fun? Shipping doesn’t need to be logical, it’s supposed to be fun (obviously with boundaries). It’s genuinely disappointing to see a fan base that I love so dearly fighting over simple, cute ships like that. I promise you it is NOT that deep. Looking at the comments was kind of heartbreaking as well because everyone was just shitting on ships that they didn’t like specifically because they weren’t canon or they were being absolute assholes to people who were defending the purpose of fandom itself. Don’t get me wrong, it is COMPLETELY fine to dislike a ship, but if it isn’t hurtful then you really shouldn’t say anything. If you don’t like a ship respect the other persons opinion and move on. It’s not hurting anyone. The freedom to have fun and do what you want is so important and it feels as if people have completely forgotten that is what fandom is about. It’s genuinely so sad to see how far it’s fallen atp I think the only completely non toxic communities I’ve found is the Ori franchise, niche genetics, and the majority of the Brandon Sanderson series. I’m so confused as to where and when fandom fell apart because what the hell is going on. What happened to human empathy? I have so many more examples of toxicity than just this, but literally all of it is from effing TikTok. I think we need to chill.
all you motherfuckers doing slur discourse in 2023 is so funny.
slur discourse based on "but they do not call you [slur] nona", it literally excludes anyone who doesnt live in an english-speaking country, who doesnt hang out in english-speaking spaces
it's so western and you're all fucking clowns
yes of course they didn't fucking call me a retard, because guess what people in poland speak polish and "retard" is not a polish word
same goes for like anyone and their mother living anywhere else than AU/UK/US/CA/NZ, they didnt grow up being called retards or trannies or whatever english slur is out there
grow up and if you want to do chronically online pvp over words in the year of arcane arts 2023 then at least dont base it around the western standards
Hey, I get that you don't like that person's stance, but they don't deserve to die or to relive their own trauma because of it. Don't dehumanize your enemies.
If you're at the point where the most substantial thing you could say to somebody is a threat, just silently wish the best for them.
Wish that someday they'll stop being an enemy. Wish for character growth.
(Note: This is not asking you to "fix them." That's not your job, and helping people with the mindset of "fixing them" is not actually that helpful. If they ask for civil discussion-- and are genuine-- then it's your choice whether you permit it or not, but don't try to force your point without listening to them. Don't "fix them." It very likely is not going to work, and will very likely instead give them a bad/worse taste in their mouth about you and what you represent. Sometimes it is best to leave people be, in all honesty. You don't have to save the world, doing what you can is perfectly acceptable. Promoting good-will and stability in your own space is just as-- if not more-- important as stepping outside of said space.)